WWDC/iPhone 4 - Page 4

Damn. Renn got me on that one.

And not trolling, friendly-rivalry-poking-fun-at.

"All phones do it. Not our fault"
"If you don't like it you can return it"
"The percentage of people who call to complain or return it based on this is very low."

All translates to: "We own you bitches"

Do iPhone users really care about this issue though? I've seen a lot of outrage and hissing towards Apple, but it mostly seems to be from people who dislike the company anyway.

Refund if you bought a bumper. Now this I like.

So, in all seriousness, do we think this whole reception/bad press fiasco is a bit sensationalistic? I'm about ready to buy a new phone and have been on the iPhone bandwagon since First Gen, but all this business has kinda stymied my desire to keep going with the brand. But if only...what did he say...0.55% of the users are complaining about it (and the few people I've asked personally, save for one - who got a fucking BUGGY one - all love theirs), I'm thinking it wouldn't be quite as risky as I'd previously imagined to stay on board.

It is incomprehensibly overblown.

EDIT: Had a legit FaceTime call for the first time last night, and it was pretty rock and roll. Introduced my best friend from Savannah to some of my family, and my cats. Also helped him troubleshoot some editing stuff, which was made a lot easier than usual.

I don't think the vast majority of iPhone users care at all. The media loves Apple, and their reports and stories about the company means instant hits, retweets and comments.

If you're on ATT, I don't know why you would get a smartphone other than an iPhone.

Nice. Glad to hear of another user who's legitimately happy with the phone.

This is a good point also, but as far as AT&T, I'm out of contract so it was either re-up with them for the 4 or jump to Verizon for the Droid X.

I get what you are saying, but it's not like Consumer Reports has a reputation for being sensationalistic. Consumer Reports said that while the other phone do experience a drop in signal with human touch the iPhone 4's was significantly worse.

I'd say the .55% is a really soft number as many people probably chalked it up to AT&T network, hearing about the issue beforehand and hoping a fix would come (friends) or people who knew that there really wasn't much Apple could do (me).

What was interesting was Jobs really dodged the design issues. You know that whatever update there is for next year will have a redesign on the antennae. Jobs will sell it as reducing human interference more than any other phone, but really it's a fix of the flaw. The September 30th date is especially curious. It feels like Apple has either discovered a manufacturing fix and that will be the time to "tweek" or worse enough time to discover a workable fix. If Jobs was so confident as to the quality of the phone, it'd be for people who purchased up through today or for maybe a month. To to put it out there for that long, it seems like Apple is scrambling.

My phone will lose signal at the slightest touch of the corner and even has issues after getting the bumper (I'm returning this weekend, I waiting to see if it was the logarithm issue).

I love my phone. It's easier, faster and more entertaining than my previous iPhone. However, it'd be nice to have a consistent signal.

If it's genuinely that sensitive and having problems with a bumper on, then something is very much up. The bumper more than insulates enough to kill the issue.

Of course, my phone is fucked in a special
way, but the issue is still there on more than .55% of phones so I dintthink the issue is overblown.

It's sad when consumers act as apologists for corporations like they were employees of those companies.

I sent a friend that has the phone some links on these stories, and he would get really upset and start talking about a media conspiracy!

It's equally sad watching non-owners delight in exaggerated bad press like they work for the competitors.

Actually that's healthier are more normal behavior to be quite honest. I rather people be cynical or skeptical with products than be almost religiously fanatic about a corporation!

No, the healthy normal behavior is to not give a shit. Taking glee is fanboyism on the other end.

I didn't really give a shit about the antenna issue. My point of reference was mocking slavish Apple people who will buy anything from a company that tells you, "Just don't hold it like that."

Is mocking people like that OK?

*Disclaimer* Despite the fact that you obviously have some interest in the iPhone that does not change one bit how fantastic a main site contributer I feel you are, Renn. You fill Mr. Beaks shoes quite nicely.

Ha! I'm like a raindrop in Beak's monstrous bucket, but I appreciate it very much.

I completely get the distaste for Apple Fanboys. I do. They suck. I just hate their anti-fanboys as much. I wish Facebook had a robust search function for the news feed so I could snag a screencap of the guy who declared his wish that the law firm leading the class-action lawsuit (that was filed, what, A week after the phones release?) was based in NY so he could donate his time to them, to see Apple fall. Matt Goldberg's (Collider dude) constantly twatty comments alone are enough.

There was a guy in town for work this week who is the complete Apple fan. Had the highest end iPad, the new iPhone, and a MacBook Pro. Dude can just not stop throwing money at them.

I try to keep my electronics diverse so that I can waste more time sorting out weird incompatibilities.

I've never even been to Virginia...

If it's anything like West Virgina you're best to stay home.

So I got my iPhone 4 in the mail a few days ago and after pretty thoroughly testing it out in a variety of conditions, I'm relieved to say I think it rocks and I don't have any significant problems with it. In fact, I find my reception on the 4 to be superior to what I had on the 3G, so I'm good. After all the doom and gloom reports, I was half-expecting to be returning it to my local Apple store within the week. But so far, I'm really digging it. For whatever it's worth.

I agree that Apple has a bit of douchey vibe these days but I still enjoy their product quite a bit.

When the original iPod came out I purposefully avoided it for this very reason. I did not want the headache of this one lone Apple product trying to sync with all my Windows based hardware.

I eventually bought a DELL DJ and when that thing died realized I had no use for a music player until I got my enV 2 a couple of years ago and by then was willing to wait for bigger SD cards so I could carry only one device.

I've been thinking of getting the new iPhone when it hits Canuck shelves on the 30th... what's the deal with it not tethering to the iPad? There's no way to use your phone's internet plan and synching it up to the iPad?

Basically, iPhones tether over Bluetooth, and the iPad can't connect to a modem over Bluetooth. This distinction in support appears to be completely arbitrary, though, as iOS4 does support tethering over Bluetooth.

The only way to tether an iPad to an iPhone is to jailbreak the iPhone.

Now, don't mistake this to mean that you can't tether an iPad to any device, as this limitation is specific to Bluetooth tethering. Devices that can create WiFi hotspots, Nexus Ones running Froyo and MiFis to name a couple, can share their connections with iPads without issue.

Might change when the iPad gets iOS4? maybe?

Thanks, Girma

FYI, Apple has come out with it's free bumper/refund program.

* If you want the free bumper/case, you download the app on your phone and request it.

* If you want the refund, and you bought the bumper from an Apple Store (like me) just take your receipt back to the store and they'll refund you, or you can take a credit. I'm debating doing that since I haven't bought that much from the store previously. Having an extra $29 in the Apple store could be nice.

iPhone 3, 4 or Droid?!~

So I just got an offer for an iPhone 3G for $99!

Do I settle? Or go for the 4 with it's obvious antenna issues?

Or jump to the Droid?

Help me decide!

The iPhone 3G only has limited iOS4 capabilities, notably it can't run multitasking. If you can get a 3GS, that one can run the full iOS4 like the iPhone 4. I read some rumors about Apple redesigning the iPhone 4 sometime soon, so as to get rid of the antenna issue. Although not everyone has that problem from what I'm also hearing.

My cousin just got a Droid X on Friday and is loving the shit out of that thing.

I've been with AT&T since 2002, so I'll say go with an iPhone 4 if you want to gamble with the antenna issues. You can get a fee bumper case right now!

If you don't care about multitasking, then go for that 3G that is $99.

I have the 3GS and it's great.

I don't think you should spend $100 on a 3G. I've heard from a number of people at work that iOS 4 kills it. If you're going to spend money on anything, make sure it's at least a 3GS.

After being disappointed by the Samsung Vibrant and Android I'm now (not-so-)secretly holding out hope that the iPhone will end up coming out to T-Mobile at some point in the near future. I know it's not likely but I can dream, can't I?

So the iOS4 pretty much isn't working on the 3G? No wonder they've got the 3GS as the cheaper model now at stores, and have completely stopped making 3G models.

It's a 3GS!

Honestly thus far I've used Smartphones for email, calls and very simple Web browsing...of course right now I've the AT&T Tilt which is like having a Walkie Talkie...but I liked the full (hard) keyboard before some of the keys stopped working.

Great news, Cylon! Go with the 3GS then. It works REALLY good.

From all the reviews I've seen, there's really no big differences between the 3GS and 4 besides the thinner frame of the 4, and it's front facing camera and flash capabilities. I think the pixels on the camera are more. Other than that they're pretty much the same. I just got my 3GS in February, so I'm going to hold off on the 4. Especially with the problems it's having right now.

Why would you need to jailbreak to test your app?

FaceTime over 3G seems like it would actually be great for trouble shooting tech issues. It gives you remote eyes and see how it could help my company save money on flying techs out places.

As for jailbreaking for debugging, just suck it up and spend the $100 to become an official iPhone developer.

Quick question, why make a dedicated iPhone app though? Why not just make a mobile compatible version of the CHUD website? I think that mobile web app is where I'll spend most of my effort (best way to avoid having to learn tons of different languages and SDKs) unless there's something that I absolutely can't do that way.

Have you looked at ad pay rates for dedicated apps vs. mobile websites? Is there a huge difference? Short of that (and since you're not charging for the app), it just seems hard (from a business standpoint) to justify the decision.

Especially with the Blackberry announcement that they've got a WebKit browser coming as well, it seems like a nice easy way to target the maximum number of devices.

ETA: To keep this kind of iPhone related, anyone seen one of those iAds yet? Are they getting used in apps on the iPhone yet?

So I got my girlfriend an iPhone 3GS yesterday, since her other phone that I just got her was a piece of crap, and despite initial hesitance (she's more used to a physical keyboard) she said that she's liking it. Also, since the other one was more expensive, my only cost was $1.40, and I'm still getting the $50 rebate on the other one, so the iPhone only cost $50.

Since she is just getting it, we opted for the 200 MB plan for her, I got Grandfathered in with my Unlimited plan, but I'm thinking 200 MB might not be enough. I checked out the Data Calculator, and it said she can't stream Pandora or Youtube videos, and she'd like to do that, although it's not essential. She doesn't really care about apps or iTunes either.

Does anyone here have the 200 MB plan? Is it enough. She also likes to use Farmville and check facebook a lot. I'm thinking of just spending the extra $10 and getting her the 2 GB of Data.

Received my free case from Apple late last week. I like it tons better than the bumper. It's thinner and more sleek and makes the phone look really good, IMO. It looks more like a part of the phone than a case that you put the phone in.

My 3G finally bit the dust so I upgraded to an iPhone 4 today, and it's a big upgrade from the 3G. Folders and multitasking pretty much make it perfect for me. Except for the "service".

Thanks, Sairus! She's really gotten into using it, and she uses wi-fi quite a bit. AT&T actually was charging facebook status updates that are text messaged to her phone as a Data charge. So she had to cancel the status update text messages, and since then the 200 MB has been good enough.

ETA: lol n/a