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Broken Arrow (1996)

post #1 of 33
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This and FACE/OFF regularly compete for my "favourite John Woo movie once he sold out and got all America'd up" and this regularly comes out on top. One of the big dissapointments with a lot of Woo's American movies, for me, is that it never gets the feel of his shoot outs right. This film eschews standard gunplay for what are essentially ever expanding chase scenes. The vehicular natures of the film, and John Woo's apparent hatred of helicopters, keeps things really interesting on the action side.

Slater and Travolta are the goods as the two friends turned into enemies and that's a good thing because there's no-one else in the cast who is a standout. In these sort of films you expect there to be some great bit players, but most of Travolta's goons are one note and goofy. Even his right-hand man is barely there. But Slater and Travolta are both amazingly likeable and have great chemistry on screen. Travolta is probably turning it up a bit too much at times, but I quite like how demented and 'cool' he is.

Zimmer's score is Zimmer at his most Hans Zimmer but it's really fucking effective. It's also part of my 1990s, US Soldiers go rogue and use terrorists action as a way to get money' trilogy of films which includes The Rock and Die Hard 2
post #2 of 33
I find it pretty dull and lifeless. At least Face/Off had manic energy and excitement.
post #3 of 33
While I'd say FACE/OFF is by far the superior film, if Broken Arrow comes on television, I will stop everything and watch it. It's just so much fun. Travolta's having a blast and that score is just aces. So good that Craven and Co. lifted it for SCREAM 2 (which is the most hilariously distracting thing ever).

Maybe I just appreciate how fun and stupid this movie is. It's the best kind of dumb, where we have Samantha Mathis trying to arrest Christian Slater (PUMP UP THE VOLUME reunion!) for bailing out of his plane and the pair later outrunning a nuke. Good times.
post #4 of 33
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It doesn't have an actual supporting cast, which doesn't help it but I'm way more of a fan of chase sequences than shoot outs which is why I like it. I think the finale on the train is actually really kind of cool.

Then again in Face/Off you have Nicholas Cage and John Travolta going completely balls out nuts and the awesome opening sequence and boat chase. But I think for all of its manic energy Face/Off suffers from some terribly languid pacing.

Hard Target is possibly the worst paced movie of ALL TIME though.
post #5 of 33
Suffers too much from trying to tie in to the Die Hard/Speed formula, but it's still a blast. I disagree about the lackluster supporting cast, Howie Long is surprisingly effective, and Bob Gunton makes you cheer when he gets brutally murdered. And the thankless exposition spewing roles played by Delroy Lindo and Frank Whaley are made all the more worthwhile because of what they bring to it. Depth, no. Nothing that grand.

And I still say the shootout in the mine is classic Woo, and quite stunning. I love it.

Fuck it, I kind of love this movie. It may be less interesting John Woo in the grand scheme of things, but less interesting Woo still makes for one fun Hollywood action movie.
post #6 of 33
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I like the mine shoot-out, I just think the stuff with the cars and the train is some of the more interesting American stuff Woo's done.

Also gotta say that on Blu-Ray the film looks stunning, the final section in particular has the greenesy grass I've seen in a film.
post #7 of 33
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Hard Target is possibly the worst paced movie of ALL TIME though.
This is madspeak. The entire second half of the movie is practically one-long action sequence (Wilford Brimley notwithstanding).
post #8 of 33
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This is madspeak. The entire second half of the movie is practically one-long action sequence (Wilford Brimley notwithstanding).
Which is all well and good apart from the fact the hour before it is just Van Damme moping around like a cajun hobo. No amount of Lance Hendriksen murdering people with single shot pistols can rectify that.
post #9 of 33
Perhaps you should just thank your lucky stars you were spared the Yancy/Jean Claude love connection from the director's cut.
post #10 of 33
I've always wanted to see the Hard Target directors cut. Damn you Universal!

Anyhow Broken Arrow is a breezy action thrill ride that is anchored by a terrific sleezy John Travolta villain.

Samantha Mathis is so cute in this as well. Howie Long learns to fly and Delroy Lindo learns to love lead.
post #11 of 33
"I don't know what's scarier, losing nuclear weapons, or that it happens so often there's actually a term for it. "

Haven't seen this for years, but that line has always stuck with me as particularly hilarious.
post #12 of 33
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Which is all well and good apart from the fact the hour before it is just Van Damme moping around like a cajun hobo. No amount of Lance Hendriksen murdering people with single shot pistols can rectify that.
But Lance Henriksen plays a piano!
post #13 of 33
Christian Slater opted for this over ASSASSINS w/ Sly, so that says a lot. This is a very good action movie. The score is good and I agree on the mine shaft shoot-out.

It could've have had more baddies for an excuse to have more shoot-outs and they could've had a ghost town showdown. Yeah, think about it.
post #14 of 33
Broken Arrow and Faceoff are both good, but Hard Target is far more quotable and memorable.

Thanks to it, whenever I tell a female to go somewhere, I tell her to "point her titties [destination] and step on the gas.
post #15 of 33
Face/Off was the first Woo movie I saw and it opened my eyes. Broken Arrow cemented it before I finally dug into his Hong Kong work.

I loved Face/Off more, but always had a great time with the breeziness of Broken Arrow. It's dumb, but I like the chemistry between Travolta and Slater. It's pretty hilarious to see Woo try so hard to make Samantha Mathis an action sidekick, but it just doesn't work. That's part of the charm. Howie Long is a big muscly doofus. "Deak! You da man!"

This soundtrack was in constant rotation in my CD player for the longest time.
post #16 of 33
Hard Target has the more eeeeevvvviiiilll villains in Pik and Fouchon. Love how they fuck up that slob Poe. "WAKEY WAKEY YOU FAT FUCK!"

Travolta is a gas in Broken Arrow. "I've never actually killed anyone. I mean I dropped bombs on Bahgdad, but never face to face. I don't know what the big deal is, I really don't."
post #17 of 33
My mom actually enjoys Broken Arrow and gets a laugh out of Travolta's ham. When she sees him flip that cigarette up to his mouth in the locker room scene after the boxing ring opening, she laughs, "Ugh, he's so annoying!"

Little touches like Travolta flicking his cigarette in slow-motion as Duane Eddy strums his theme... I was in heaven back in 1997 (I only saw the movie when it came out on VHS).
post #18 of 33
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Perhaps you should just thank your lucky stars you were spared the Yancy/Jean Claude love connection from the director's cut.
I wouldn't have minded seeing that.

Samantha Mathis is one cute babe. But I can't get into Broken Arrow for some reason. Never understood why.
post #19 of 33
Love the line when he's schooling Bob Gunton " Its never a good idea! " bites with the teeth.

And of course " Fuck em if they can't take a joke! " sets the bomb.
post #20 of 33
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Love the line when he's schooling Bob Gunton " Its never a good idea! " bites with the teeth.
Travolta always reminds me of Jerry Seinfeld there. As if he were saying, "Newman!"

Or... "Alriiiiight..."
post #21 of 33
Saw this twice on opening day. I miss having that kind of free time.

Woo blows up 4 helicopters in this. I think he was in hog heaven.
post #22 of 33
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Which is all well and good apart from the fact the hour before it is just Van Damme moping around like a cajun hobo. No amount of Lance Hendriksen murdering people with single shot pistols can rectify that.
You wouldn't want to hurt... my feelings.
post #23 of 33
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My mom actually enjoys Broken Arrow and gets a laugh out of Travolta's ham. When she sees him flip that cigarette up to his mouth in the locker room scene after the boxing ring opening, she laughs, "Ugh, he's so annoying!"

Little touches like Travolta flicking his cigarette in slow-motion as Duane Eddy strums his theme... I was in heaven back in 1997 (I only saw the movie when it came out on VHS).
I saw this with my parents at the theater and we all had a blast.
Samantha Mathis looked mighty fine in this whn i first saw it.
Also, helicopter rotor against crotch!
post #24 of 33
I honestly just can't bring myself to watch any of Woos Hollywood output these days - maybe Face/Off if I was forced. Broken Arrow I saw once in the cinema and found instantly forgettable.
post #25 of 33
God, I love Hard Target. Not cos its a good film or anything. Its just so goddamn enjoyable.
post #26 of 33
This movie's also notable for adding Howie Long to the fraternity of "YOUARRRRRGHHH!!!"
post #27 of 33
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This movie's also notable for adding Howie Long to the fraternity of "YOUARRRRRGHHH!!!"
I love that scream, it's like someone put Wilhelm's balls into a blender.
post #28 of 33
I like to think that James Caan in ERASER is the Travolta character's dad. Both go from "decent good guy" to "batshit loony evil mastermind" in a matter of seconds.
post #29 of 33
Yep, especially before Travolta pulls a gun on Slater. It only takes a few seconds of evil Travolta-eyes and some choir music.
post #30 of 33
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This movie's also notable for adding Howie Long to the fraternity of "YOUARRRRRGHHH!!!"
The Tie Fighter scream! I know I've heard that scream in a few more films.
post #31 of 33
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I think I've worked out why I like this so much. We did a mini-Chud watch of this last night and we were discussing how action films feel like they're 90% CGI today.  This film has four 'real' Helicopters getting destroyed and a final action sequence built around a real train, moving through a real countryside, and being rocked by real explosions. There's a real sense of verisimilitude to the entire thing and it helps to make all of the action sequences feel unique and interesting. I still really like Travolta in this, but as Nooj points out one of the funniest things about his performance is how he acts like his right hand is completely detached from the rest of him. It's like a roving evil hand, completely undermining what the rest of him is doing at all times. 

post #32 of 33

About verisimilitude... I felt the same thing as I watched Die Hard With a Vengeance recently.  It really has a sense of place with locations and supporting characters.  In comparison... Die Hard 4 had bland Hollywood FBI headquarters set design and Kevin Smith.

post #33 of 33
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About verisimilitude... I felt the same thing as I watched Die Hard With a Vengeance recently.  It really has a sense of place with locations and supporting characters.  In comparison... Die Hard 4 had bland Hollywood FBI headquarters set design and Kevin Smith.


I haven't seen Die Hard 4 yet, but the first three Die Hard films are great examples of how late 80s and 90s action movies created a sense of place and space. I think Michael Bay was one of the people who moved towards a general lack of geography in his action films. I love The Rock and Bad Boys 2 but those are films where you never get a sense of space or place, compared to something like the Skyscraper in Die Hard or the boat in Undersiege. 

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