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post #1 of 71
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I was talking about these in the B-Action Thread, and Devin suggested I talk about it in Highlander thread, and for some reason I thought there was one already, and I searched for it and nothing. So if there was one, apologies.

I was marathoning them today, originally just to watch them, then I decided to do a CHUD blog on them. I've rewatched the first all the way to End Game. I haven't rewatched The Source yet, and I will, only to complete rewatching the series.

Highlander. Still a damn great action movie, made better by the Queen songs and Michael Kamen score. Christopher Lambert, Sean Connery, and Clancy Brown are PERFECT in their respective roles. The fights are well choreographed and it would have been a perfect solo film.

Highlander 2: The Quickening/Renegade Version/Special Edition. Not as bad as I was led to believe. It's just REALLY sci-fi, whereas the original only had a hint of sci-fi. I love the retro futuristic look that it has. Old cars, and fancy computer screens. Sure Connery's reappearance is bizarre, but he's fun in it. "What's a shithead?" "HIT IT DUDE!" Ironside has fun as General Katana, and crushes John C. McGinley's balls and throws him out a window.

I still need to see the infamous theatrical version that hit VHS, but I've seen the Renegade version, as well as the Special Edition that hit disc a few years back. That one has improved CGI effects, and they actually look pretty good.

Highlander III: The Final Dimension/The Sorcerer. Pretty much a retread of the original Highlander, and rewatching it, all I liked was the Sorcerer effects, that I wish were used more. Mario Van Peebles just carbon copies Clancy Brown and it's annoying. Really wish he could have done his own thing. Although the copied Cadillac "Lets play chicken!" scene is pretty cool since he uses the magic.

Highlander: Endgame. A LOT better than I remember watching it few years back. It was one of the first dvds I got back in 2001, and it's a fun romp with the 2 MacLeods. Bruce Payne does a great job as the major villain, and seeing Dawson from the series (I still haven't seen the series in it's entirety or Highlander: The Raven) show up is cool. It's also a nice coda for Connor MacLeod.

Highlander: The Source. I haven't rewatched it yet, so I'll save my thoughts for it once I see it again. All I remember is Joe Dawson dying, which sucked, and The Protector of The Source running around like Paul Atreides.
post #2 of 71
I've only seen the first two. Love the first one, it's a classic, even if it's a little rough. There weren't a lot of movies focusing on sword play happening when I was a kid, so I have pretty fond memories of it.

I actually really like the second one. I grew up with that VHS of the theatrical cut, and let me tell you, it makes absolutely no sense. Something about a "quickening" and lambert beheading some flying weirdos somehow makes him young again. I think this movie is what gave me my lifelong appreciation for Ironsidian filmography. Well, this and Scanners.

I hated the Adrian Paul show, I thought it was totally boring. I couldn't even sit through an entire episode during my extremely boring teenaged years.
post #3 of 71
The first is really dated but still a classic. Gorgeous shots of Scotland and Connery hams it up. the transitions from NY to 16th century Scotland are cool.

But the franchise should have ended there. Because Mcleod was THE ONLY ONE LEFT. Part 2 - the renegade version, no planet Ziest - and part 3 are medicore action movies on their own but can't be connected to the first one for obvious reasons.

ENDGAME is horrific. Yeah, great coda for Macleod, getting his head chopped off by his own brother who shouldn't have existed anyway.

Haven't seen The source but I'm sure it's awful.
post #4 of 71
The Source is complete and utter crap. It's a made for TV movie based on a TV show, and yet it manages to suck complete balls. Even worse than the ancient Zoroastrian demon crap of the series.
post #5 of 71
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I was going to watch The Source, then came to my senses and instead put on Demolition Man. I'll save The Source for another day when I can use it as background noise and occasionally watch it.
post #6 of 71
Highlander was always better as a concept than as an actual, you know, movie. So you see snatches of coolness, people fighting with swords in backalleys, but then you have to deal with bad acting, bad music, and other 80s drudgery (plus a lot of the movie was plain dull). I won't even get into the sequels.
post #7 of 71
You're probably better off recording your own farts and using that as background noise.
post #8 of 71
I will defend the music. I thought it fit quite well, especially 'Who Wants to live forever'.
And I don't think the acting is bad. The accents, on the other hand...
post #9 of 71
Could never really get behind this series. I can understand the cult appeal and there are great things in the first one. Visually, it's arresting. Clancy Brown is great. Tremendous soundtrack. But I still don't really enjoy it. It comes off as pretentious and unpleasant to me. As well as just dull.

Maybe that's why the second one is actually my "favorite." And I've only ever seen the theatrical version. I think the fact that I don't really care about the series or the mythology means I can just enjoy Highlander 2: The Quickening (What does that even fucking mean? Stupidest title in history? Possibly.) as a kind of stand-alone slab of Science Fiction cheese.

I saw the third one with Mario Van Peebles. Was bored to tears.

My relationship with Highlander ends there.

Though, wasn't there another one called Highlander: The Gathering that featured both Lambert and Paul? Never saw it, but remember seeing the video box for it and considering the idea of possibly renting it to watch it at some point.
post #10 of 71
I love Highlander to this day, I'm not so sold on the sequals. Number 3 is the only one I sort of like and even that is just a carbon copy of 1.
post #11 of 71
I sorta kinda like the first one. As a kid, I really liked the transitions between the different time periods. Also, loved the overly flashy camera moves (that really didn't add all that much to the scenes, but just looked cool).
& Clancy Brown & Sean Connery.
This was also before I figured out that Lambert really wasn't that great an actor.

True story:
I was working at a post production facility in London while shots for "The Source" were being tossed around town by its bonds company (not a good sign).
The director was aiming to "match the quality to Highlander 3" (also not a good sign).
Our head of vfx watched the rough cut in the studio. He decided not to take on the gig.
post #12 of 71
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I figured out that Lambert really wasn't that great an actor.
Watch your mouth! He gave an Oscar-worthy performance in Southland Tales.

So much so, that I can actually freely admit to having sat through Southland Tales.

And his Eli Wallach impersonation in Gunmen was peerless.

...

No, you're right. He kind of sucks. But he has a deliciously infectious laugh and is always fun to watch. Especially when he's trying to ACT. Russell Mulcahy's spectacular film Resurrection is chief evidence of this.
post #13 of 71
I am just so so on the movies. But I was a big fan of the TV Series.

Nicely done Sword Fights and interesting storylines. I'll admit that the story arcs can't compare to giants like LOST and BATTLESTAR but it was decent. It also helped that Adrian Paul had some genuine martial arts ability.

Highlander: The Raven took about half a season to get its footing. But once it moved its shooting to Paris, it was like the main series again. Same formula and format. They even had Joe Dawson and The Watchers show up in a two parter to stress continuity between the two series.
post #14 of 71
I'd probably like the movies a lot more if the sword sound effects weren't so fucking horrible. I attempted a rewatch and the bizarre sound work was really grating. I actually think there's quite a good movie lurking in the Highland stuff, but the present day stuff is just a chore. Really, objectively speaking, the only thing I actually like on a non-ironic level about the entire series is The Kurgan. Clancy Brown deserved to be a villain in a far better calibre of movies.
post #15 of 71
The films-

'Highlander': Great fun. I take issue with the terrible acting from Roxanne Hart, the poorly choreographed swordplay, and the incredibly clunky dialog (especially the bar scene where McCleod tries to pick up Brenda), but the concept is awesome. Clancy Brown is simply awesome as the Kurgan, Connery looks like he's having genuine FUN, and the soundtrack (both the Kamen score and the Queen songs) are perfect. It's definitely ready for a remake.

'Highlander 2: The Quickening' (theatrical version). Wretched. Horrible. Ignoring any semblance of continuity with the first film AND screwing up its own internal continuity (love it when Ramirez's katana suddenly appears without any explanation), this film rightly belongs on any 'worst of' lists.

'Highlander 2: The Renegade Version' (DVD version). They removed the planet Zeist crap and fixed the internal continuity issues, but it's still a horrible film. NOTHING can fix the bored performance from Connery, those annoying porcupine bad guys, or the complete and utter stupidity of the plot.

'Highlander 3: The Final Dimentions/The Sorcerer': A poor remake of the first film. Bringing in a MAGIC element doesn't work. It's watchable but not memorable.

'Highlander: Endgame': Terrible with some cool moments. Gotta love a film that has a flashback WITHIN a flashback. Watch the alternate/workprint cut sometime...it's actually superior and flows better, and the one great fight scene is edited better.

'Highlander: The Source': Wretched. Indefensible. Avoid at all costs.

The Shows -

'Highlander: The Series': It gets much, much better in Season 2; everyone has figured out their characters at this point AND the watchers have been introduced. They find a tone and role with it for a while, and the show is fairly entertaining for what it is. The final season sucks, though.

'Highlander: The Raven': Never watched it.

'Highlander: The Cartoon': Never watched it.
post #16 of 71
The...One Highlander I enjoyed was...Highlander Search For Vengeance!
post #17 of 71
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I was going to watch The Source, then came to my senses and instead put on Demolition Man.
Now that's a step up in quality.
post #18 of 71
I love love love the first film - I make no apologies at all - love it.

When I was in New York a couple of years ago I dragged my fiance around Central Park in search of the bridge were Macleod meets Kastigir and had a mini geek-out moment - even got down low to get a similar photo like the shot with the bikes in the film.

When I was a kid I'd watch and rewatch and rewatch the final sword fight in the warehouse after they fall through the roof - looking at it now the choreography is a bit pants but the shot where they scrape swords and make the sparks, then do the twirly-sword thing and then square off for the final cut which has been their sole focus for centuries and one thing that connects them (The Kurgan even gives a sarcastic salute and grin), all scored to that great fanfare still gives me chills. I. love. it.

My biggest disappointment apart from the degrading quality of the sequels is the Michael Kamen's truly superb score isn't available anywhere or on iTunes.

I love Highlander.
post #19 of 71
I take it everyone's cool with the reboot? Now they can do Zeist RIGHT!
post #20 of 71
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I take it everyone's cool with the reboot? Now they can do Zeist RIGHT!
Nope - don't want a reboot for the same reason I don't want an Escape From New York reboot - they're both low budget affairs that work for me really really well and it's the low budget combined with the 80's period film making that help make the film work for me.
post #21 of 71
I agree with Elvis. While I think the movie is extremely flawed, the effective parts for me are the very 80s visual style that Mulcahy brought to the table.
As for the suggestion that it looks cheap, other than the horrible hand-drawn Quickening vfx that falls way short of even being vaguely convincing, I think it looks quite slick. Not too B-movie-ish at all.
post #22 of 71
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Though, wasn't there another one called Highlander: The Gathering that featured both Lambert and Paul? Never saw it, but remember seeing the video box for it and considering the idea of possibly renting it to watch it at some point.
That was the pilot to the TV show. Only episode that Lambert appeared in, I believe.
post #23 of 71
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The films-

'Highlander': Great fun. I take issue with the terrible acting from Roxanne Hart, the poorly choreographed swordplay, and the incredibly clunky dialog (especially the bar scene where McCleod tries to pick up Brenda), but the concept is awesome. Clancy Brown is simply awesome as the Kurgan, Connery looks like he's having genuine FUN, and the soundtrack (both the Kamen score and the Queen songs) are perfect. It's definitely ready for a remake.
Agreed on everything but the last sentence. So much of what makes this work is the bizarre amalgamation of performers. It's not that interesting without them as the future sequels proved beyond a shadow of a doubt.

I'm not sure we have Eurohams on the same level as Lambert and Connery anymore. I mean, we'll probably get Michael Sheen and some no name as "upgrades" for the modern era.

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'Highlander 2: The Quickening' (theatrical version). Wretched. Horrible. Ignoring any semblance of continuity with the first film AND screwing up its own internal continuity (love it when Ramirez's katana suddenly appears without any explanation), this film rightly belongs on any 'worst of' lists.
All true, and yet I do love Stewart Copeland's mega 80s space opera score (his liberal quoting of Wagner doesn't hurt), along with...nope, that's pretty much what I like about this one. That and Lambert's metalhair. Still, it is amusing to watch a film break its own rules and the rules of physics repeatedly and gleefully.

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'Highlander 2: The Renegade Version' (DVD version). They removed the planet Zeist crap and fixed the internal continuity issues, but it's still a horrible film. NOTHING can fix the bored performance from Connery, those annoying porcupine bad guys, or the complete and utter stupidity of the plot.
Neither the renegade nor the ultimate versions can fix the continuity problems. It's dumb if they're from a planet called Zeist. it's dumb if they're from the past and "banished" to the future. Probably moreso. Fuck it...definitely moreso.

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'Highlander: Endgame': Terrible with some cool moments. Gotta love a film that has a flashback WITHIN a flashback. Watch the alternate/workprint cut sometime...it's actually superior and flows better, and the one great fight scene is edited better.
I have NO idea which print is what with this since I saw it theatrically, which was cut one way. Then, the DVD with all of the logo blurring was a completely different cut. All I know is Bruce Payne was the only villain aside from Clancy Brown I ever liked in this series. Everyone tried to match Clancy's hamminess in the first one (Mario Van Peebles and the chalk white guy from The Source being the two worst). Bruce Payne leapfrogged it like a motherfucker.
post #24 of 71
When I watched Highlander: The Source a year or two back, it was the middle of the night. Once it was over, I didn't know what to do. I looked at my phone. Micah was the only person I felt might understand what I was going through. But it was 3 in the morning, and Micah's got a wife and kid. I knew I couldn't disturb him.

That was a long, lonely night, my friends. I started to go to confession the next day, but then realized I'm not Catholic. I went to the bar as soon as it opened. I sat there, turned to the woman sitting next to me and said "Madison Squaaaarrreeee Gahhhrden." I don't think she got it.

I hate Highlander: The Source.
post #25 of 71
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I have NO idea which print is what with this since I saw it theatrically, which was cut one way. Then, the DVD with all of the logo blurring was a completely different cut. All I know is Bruce Payne was the only villain aside from Clancy Brown I ever liked in this series. Everyone tried to match Clancy's hamminess in the first one (Mario Van Peebles and the chalk white guy from The Source being the two worst). Bruce Payne leapfrogged it like a motherfucker.
The 2 disc DVD release had both the theatrical AND the workprint versions. The workprint doesn't make it an actually GOOD movie, but it does make it better. Many scenes are rearranged so that they actually make sense (no more flashback-within-a-flashback, for instance), the editing isn't as choppy, and certain story elements are actually fleshed out (the whole sanctuary is actually explained, for instance).
post #26 of 71
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((((((((it's dumb if they're from the past and "banished" to the future))))))))
wat.

Wait, what? Seriously? I've only seen the original VHS version. Time travel?

I watched a LOT of schlocky stuff in my teens (we owned a video rental store), and, while the different planet stuff didn't phase me back then, time travel would have made even me roll my eyes.
post #27 of 71
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wat.

Wait, what? Seriously? I've only seen the original VHS version. Time travel?

I watched a LOT of schlocky stuff in my teens (we owned a video rental store), and, while the different planet stuff didn't phase me back then, time travel would have made even me roll my eyes.
It's true. All of the Planet Zeist shit now happens 'a long, long time ago' (or something like that). Of course, they never bother to explain how soldiers from the middle ages would have laser weaponry, but whatever.
post #28 of 71
Really glad I've never seen the sequels/tv shows. Macleod's journey ended as soon as the Kurgan's head came away from his neck, he won the prize, game over, happy ending. Great music, decent action, fun performances and cinematography, good stuff all around. I wouldn't be averse to a remake that keeps the same idea but gives us some more of Macleod through the ages offing more Immortals on the way to his final showdown. Hey, at least they can cast with accents in mind this time.
post #29 of 71
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I went to the bar as soon as it opened. I sat there, turned to the woman sitting next to me and said "Madison Squaaaarrreeee Gahhhrden." I don't think she got it.
it might be because I'm currently getting slowly drunk but I've just spent the last 5 minutes very nearly pissing myself laughing at the thought of this.
post #30 of 71
I still have the Cinefex magazine for 'Highlander' somewhere. Things that I remember from it:

- Kurt Russell was originally cast as Connor McCleod. Goldie Hawn didn't like the project, so she urged him to drop out. Christopher Lambert was kinda a last minute thing.
- Sean Connery was signed for ONE WEEK only. He kept joking with Mulcahy that they'd never get his scenes done, but they did indeed get them done.
- Connery and Lambert apparently got on really well during the filming.
- Lambert really liked Beattie Edney (his Scottish wife) but didn't get on really well with Roxanne Hart. I think it shows in the final product.
post #31 of 71
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Apparently, the first disc on the Highlander: Endgame set is an altered version of the theatrical cut that runs 101 minutes. I never saw the theatrical cut, but I read on IMDB that the theatrical cut was pretty incomprehensible, due to the fact that they were making connections the tv series. Either way I had fun with it, and Donnie Yen gets to do more there, then in Blade II. (Not knocking on Blade II. That movie is awesome.)

Even in the Special Edition of Highlander 2, Connery's Katana mysteriously appears. That made frown and say "What?" They couldn't fix that even there.

Agree on the Kamen score. It's wonderful, and a shame it's not available. They really only use the instrumental "Who Wants To Live Forever" in the subsequent films.
post #32 of 71
They could do a linear sequel to the original and fuck the rest.

25 years after the first a new bunch of immortals have been born around the world and grown to adulthood and can start fucking each other up looking for a Quickening high. Maybe McCleod's own kid is one.

No historical trips though unfortunately, or fortunately...I dunno. If the sword fights are fun and the backgrounds of the new immortals interesting enough I guess you don't need the history aspect.

Beattie Edney was a very attractive lady. Haven't seen her in anything since the 90s though I think.
post #33 of 71
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Beattie Edney was a very attractive lady. Haven't seen her in anything since the 90s though I think.
HELLOOOOOOO, PRETTY...

She was 38 in 'Highlander: Endgame' and looked just as attractive as ever. A quick check on IMDB shows that she's still finding work, which is cool.
post #34 of 71
Ah, Murder Rooms with Ian Richardson as the Sherlock Holmes inspiration would be where I last noticed her. Fuck, 2001. Scary. I would have laid money on 2005 or even later.

Anyway, God Bless the movie girls of our youth.
post #35 of 71
His first girl Kate (who is apparently his wife according to IMDB) was played by Celia Imrie - Bravo 5 in The Phantom Menace.
post #36 of 71
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My high school English teacher was a big fan of Highlander, and he always raved about Deborah Kara Unger in Highlander: The Final Dimension/The Sorcerer.

Lisa Barbuscia who played Kate/Faith from Highlander: Endgame was pretty good looking.
post #37 of 71
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Lisa Barbuscia who played Kate/Faith from Highlander: Endgame was pretty good looking.
She's extremely hot. I first became aware of her in the 1994 B movie Serpent's Lair (which starred Jeff Fahey).


I've only seen the first 2 Highlander films. The first film is "ok" but the second is awful. The Highlander series is a classic example of a cool premise that is poorly executed. It's the perfect movie to remake/re-imagine since the original wasn't that great to begin with.
post #38 of 71

http://m.blog.hu/ko/kobli/image/highlander4.jpg

I wish I knew what this shot was about.
post #39 of 71
Dimension shot a bunch of stuff that was only to be used in trailers and TV spots, never intended for the film.
post #40 of 71
I don't think a Highlander reboot would be successful. Its such a weird movie, its not for everybody.
post #41 of 71
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The...One Highlander I enjoyed was...Highlander Search For Vengeance!
Duke out of curiosity what makes you prefer The Search for Vengeance. I'll give you the fact that it's far better than any of the sequels but I still thought it was no where near as entertaining as the first film. I'd say it was very competently made but honestly I thought it was kind of boring.
post #42 of 71
I can't believe there are folks that are defending the Highlander sequels. I think H2:The Quickening and H3: Final Dimension represent two of the worst films I've ever paid to see in the theater. The only thing good about H2 is Virginia Madsen in her curly-haired prime and the only thing good about H3 is that the theater I was in had air-conditioning.
post #43 of 71
H3 had Deborah Kara Unger in it and some great Japan location shots. So thats some things in its favour.

Never seen Highlander: The Source yet. But all this talk about its crappiness (which i am sure is well deserved) is making me a little curious about it.
post #44 of 71
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I don't think a Highlander reboot would be successful. Its such a weird movie, its not for everybody.

It has a built in international audience (thanks to the horrible television show). Also you're making the assumption that the reboot would be as weird as the original. The film would most likely be re-imagined and they'd only take the core concepts and build around that.
post #45 of 71
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It has a built in international audience (thanks to the horrible television show). Also you're making the assumption that the reboot would be as weird as the original. The film would most likely be re-imagined and they'd only take the core concepts and build around that.
Yeah, but the core concepts are ridiculously stupid (oh wait, so were the core concepts in the GI Joe feature).


Personally, I agree that the first movie is really flawed, but Mulcahy's visual flourish and the "weirdness" - c'mon, that movie is SOOOO 80s - are what make it compelling.

Remove the idiosyncracies and you've got a ridiculous pile of shit. Not that that means it won't make tons of money.
post #46 of 71
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Highlander was always better as a concept than as an actual, you know, movie. So you see snatches of coolness, people fighting with swords in backalleys, but then you have to deal with bad acting, bad music, and other 80s drudgery (plus a lot of the movie was plain dull). I won't even get into the sequels.
That is exactly how I feel. The senes in 16th Century Scotland are great, Connory is a blast,the swordplay is great, but IMHO the first film becomes a mediocre sci fi thriller when it moves to 20th Century New York.
And the less said about the sequels and the TV Series, the better.
It is a great concept, but the execution is not very good.
post #47 of 71
No love for the boys from Badstreet, USA? Yet another reason that a Highlander remake should not happen is the fact that The Fabulous Freebirds won't be in it.
post #48 of 71

This is my bit of Highlander trivia. Brown ad libbed alot during his scene in the church. He really scared the hell out of everybody there.

 

"I am but a worm."

post #49 of 71

Highlander: The Source should never be watched sober.  Hell, even if you try, I guarantee you will want to start drinking about five minutes into it.  As a fan of the franchise (despite some incredibly shitty entries), I had to actively force myself to finish the movie.  It has the be THE worst sequel I have ever seen in my life and definitely one of the all-time worst movies I have ever watched.

 

The original is a classic.  I enjoyed the TV series and because of that, I find Endgame entertaining even though I know it's not a good movie.  Highlander 2 is hilariously awful, but always a fun watch.  Highlander 3 is a tepid retread of the original with very few redeeming qualities.  Never watched the animated movie or the recent anime.  You know my thoughts on The Source.

 

Here's hoping the remake turns out well.  I don't think it has a chance of touching the entertainment value of the original, but there is no possible way it couldn't be a million times better than The Source.  It's a great concept that has plenty of untapped potential.  I wish Justin Lin & co. the best of luck and hope they turn out a solid reboot of the franchise.

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Besides, how can you not love a movie where the villain quotes Def Leppard?  biggrin.gif

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