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post #51 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:28pm
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Yeah, everybody has repeated a post in their time on this or any other message board. Nature of the beast. The new rule about reading articles and threads before posting isn't some draconian thing, more of a guideline.

I'm trying to get to the root of a couple of problems at once here but mostly I'm interested in giving people fewer excuses for getting involved in discussions ("They already said everything I would have said!").
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post #52 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:29pm
I think anyone who does the "this is my review from my blog" and copies and pastes should get sent to the time-out chair, automatically, without supper.
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post #53 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:31pm
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That mike_tyson guy is getting flat out banned next time.
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post #54 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:38pm
There won't be mammoth threads once these rules start coming into effect more. The TDK thread would only be 7-10 pages if we'd had the rule back then. I think it's a good idea.

On the negative side of this idea is that of the things I like is finding out whether there's a consensus, or to what extent one exists, amongst chewers on the overall quality of a film. If there aren't going to be "This" "Agree" or "I'm with you" posts then maybe a poll of some kind at the top of each film's post-release thread could serve almost like an IMDB rating, except only voted on by Chewers. I don't pay any attention to IMDB ratings but I find Chewers' opinions and tastes interesting and maybe this is a way to reflect those without having repetitive posts clutter shit up.

eta: The same thing could be applied to news threads in "How much are you excited about this information" terms, although the nature of those threads means there's less chance of mammothness.
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post #55 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Bucho View Post
On the negative side of this idea is that of the things I like is finding out whether there's a consensus, or to what extent one exists, amongst chewers on the overall quality of a film. If there aren't going to be "This" "Agree" or "I'm with you" posts then maybe a poll of some kind at the top of each film's post-release thread could serve almost like an IMDB rating, except only voted on by Chewers. I don't pay any attention to IMDB ratings but I find Chewers' opinions and tastes interesting and maybe this is a way to reflect those without having repetitive posts clutter shit up.
I do kinda like this. Post-Release threads can act almost like Freshometer until one has seen the film and can add their own thoughts to the discussion/s within.
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post #56 of 77
6/16/10 at 8:54pm
Another possible approach: automatically flag the threads where your friends are posting.
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post #57 of 77
6/16/10 at 9:18pm
Bucho's poll idea is pretty great. And it would force people to always go to the first page in a thread and vote. Hopefully, they can then at least use MissZooey's approach. Not to mention that I kind of like the idea of a ChudPoll vote system. Fuck IMDB. The people who post here tend to know what they're talking about.

*cue reference to Princess Kate or something*

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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I think anyone who does the "this is my review from my blog" and copies and pastes should get sent to the time-out chair, automatically, without supper.
About that...

I have a blog right here on Chud (which I update once every couple of years). I also do (and have done) some writing on the side. I have occasionally posted links to my own blog as if to say "Here's what I thought of X or Y rather than retype the whole thing here" ... Also, I occasionally post things that I've written somewhere else (I posted some of my ancient film reviews q a couple of times). This is all in the interest of furthering discussion. I don't know who this mike_tyson is. But I hope what I'm doing is okay.
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post #58 of 77
6/16/10 at 9:29pm
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I think as long as the people in a tread are willing to forgive someone repeating a thought with a simple 'Phil already said that'
Phil already said everything.

In fact, anyone posting to any thread on any topic probably needs to consider that Phil has said it first and better.

God: "In the beginning..."

Gabe Powers: "Phil already said that. With less annoying reverb."
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post #59 of 77
6/16/10 at 9:34pm
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
I think anyone who does the "this is my review from my blog" and copies and pastes should get sent to the time-out chair, automatically, without supper.
How about offering a link to one's review-on-blog in passing (as part of a larger post, like, "I blather on at length about it here, but generally I think Kubrick secretly wanted to be Dorothy Arzner"). Someone wants to click the link, they can. Don't wanna, don't hafta. As long as the link isn't the whole content and motive of the post.
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post #60 of 77
6/16/10 at 9:51pm
There's an entire forum for reader reviews. They want to pimp their blog, they can do it there.
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post #61 of 77
6/16/10 at 11:12pm
Your signature is also a great place for links to recent reviews. The name of the game here is improving conversation, not improving hits on your reviews.
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post #62 of 77
6/16/10 at 11:26pm
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Originally Posted by Feral Akodon View Post
Another possible approach: automatically flag the threads where your friends are posting.
This is actually a pretty neat idea and would make the entire notion of having 'friends' here on the boards a lot more relevant. I endorse it wholeheartedly.


...and I really want to know what Phil thought of the last Indiana Jones while we're at it.
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post #63 of 77
6/16/10 at 11:50pm
I'm pretty conscientious about reading threads to avoid repetition. For instance, I read the entire freaking cute animal thread just so I could post some baby sloths only to find that Dickson posted the baby sloths while I was reading the thread.

That said, I usually post my initial thoughts on a movie in the post release thread blind. I like to ensure that my thoughts on the movie are my thoughts on the movie and not absorbed from smarter Chewers by osmosis. Then I read the whole damn thing before I post questions or interpretations or other bits.

It might not be a terrible idea to set up extra threads if a Great Strudel War of 2009 breaks out in a post release thread. We talk about the movie in the post release and the strudel scene in its own little private thread where people who care about it can discuss it until their eyes bleed.
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post #64 of 77
6/17/10 at 3:20am
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I actually like that idea.
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post #65 of 77
6/17/10 at 3:32pm
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It might not be a terrible idea to set up extra threads if a Great Strudel War of 2009 breaks out in a post release thread.
Link?
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post #66 of 77
6/17/10 at 3:39pm
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I'm trying to get to the root of a couple of problems at once here but mostly I'm interested in giving people fewer excuses for getting involved in discussions ("They already said everything I would have said!").
Well, that's the rub isn't it? You don't want boring, repititious looong threads and more people to post.....buuuuut generally in the long, drawn out threads, most views have been covered. So if you don't see a tent-pole film the SECOND it comes out (because for some reason, there seems to be a race to be "first" to see and comment on a film - fuck, I saw Watchmen in the first 7 days and didn't comment because the thread was already a fucking beast), odds are every facet is going to have been examined from pretty much every angle.


So basically, since I'm see the VAST majority of films at home today, I'm not commenting on big films. Smaller indies with 1-2 page threads I certainly feel I can comment on, and maybe bring something interesting to the table...or at the very least make the people who saw it feel good ANOTHER person went out of their way to watch something a little bit more obscure.
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post #67 of 77
6/17/10 at 4:36pm
I like the idea of latecomer threads. I'd say they should only happen when a post-release thread gets over 15 pages in length. Thats about how far I would read through a thread...10-15 pages.
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post #68 of 77
6/17/10 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Yeah, everybody has repeated a post in their time on this or any other message board. Nature of the beast. The new rule about reading articles and threads before posting isn't some draconian thing, more of a guideline.
Which you covered pretty well with the qualifier at the end of that rule.


While I sort of like the idea mentioned re: "The Great Strudel debate of 2009"... seems like that could easily turn into more clutter that then demands new rules on how to start branch off threads and when that's appropriate.

I mean, the big strudel scene debate is really just part of discussion, isn't it?
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post #69 of 77
6/17/10 at 4:48pm
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Sort of, but the reality is that sometimes elements of a film demand their own thing. The Strudel Debate is kind of a good example - it'll derail a thread but it isn't a bad discussion to have. The problem is that if there are four active pages of Strudel Talk, newcomers to the thread may feel alienated because they don't care about the Strudel Scene but want to talk about the Giant Face or something.

Not every element of a discussion should be spun off, but some are in-depth enough to warrant their own thread.
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post #70 of 77
6/17/10 at 4:53pm
The good thing to come out of this is the realization that MORE actual movie discussion is happening on the boards. So congrats everybody and let's keep it up!
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post #71 of 77
6/17/10 at 5:26pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Sort of, but the reality is that sometimes elements of a film demand their own thing. The Strudel Debate is kind of a good example - it'll derail a thread but it isn't a bad discussion to have. The problem is that if there are four active pages of Strudel Talk, newcomers to the thread may feel alienated because they don't care about the Strudel Scene but want to talk about the Giant Face or something.

Not every element of a discussion should be spun off, but some are in-depth enough to warrant their own thread.
Perhaps a AVclub style of thread could work. They have an article and below some dude post "that girl looks like Tina Fey" and the discussion about that nuisance can be clogged below the former.
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post #72 of 77
6/17/10 at 5:28pm
Yeah, but we'd need different board software for something like that, right? I mean, they're not even a FORUM, they've just got comments sections.
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post #73 of 77
6/17/10 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Sort of, but the reality is that sometimes elements of a film demand their own thing. The Strudel Debate is kind of a good example - it'll derail a thread but it isn't a bad discussion to have. The problem is that if there are four active pages of Strudel Talk, newcomers to the thread may feel alienated because they don't care about the Strudel Scene but want to talk about the Giant Face or something.

Not every element of a discussion should be spun off, but some are in-depth enough to warrant their own thread.
I definitely agree. Just spitballing considering the current way the board works (in a technical sense).

How would we go about keeping order with a thing like that? Perhaps wait until the "new rules"/attitude is more settled in around here and just trust the good judgment of the posters? I mean, ideally a shitty spin off just dies a quick death. On the whole, people seem to be pretty tasteful about that sort of thing around here.
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post #74 of 77
6/17/10 at 5:50pm
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A shitty spin-off thread would just get merged back into the main thread.
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post #75 of 77
6/17/10 at 6:45pm
Well there you go. I wasn't sure if you guys could merge threads on here or not.
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post #76 of 77
6/17/10 at 7:03pm
I've used this forum software before. It is fantastically flexible.
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post #77 of 77
6/17/10 at 7:16pm
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Great Strudel War of 2009
One of the most boring moments in CHUD history. I mean, Jesus Christ.
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