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post #1 of 380
5/11/10 at 6:47pm
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So, basically, be a decent person.

Works for me.
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post #2 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:11pm
Just keep the application consistent. There was another board I was on where if you were a "legend", as they called them, you got away with things other people wouldn't. And the mods pretty much admitted they did so. And took far too much glee in suspending people. Action should be a last resort, not a toy.
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post #3 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:13pm
We may suspend people vigorously the first few days.
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post #4 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:13pm
One thing... With regards to "posting news on the boards." Over on The B Action Thread, we're constantly posting news items about upcoming video releases, DTVs ... the latest bullshit involving Lundgren, Seagal, etc. I'm assuming we can keep on doing that, right? I doubt much of this is considered legit news. We also frequently share links to Stallone interviews and what not. It's just what we do and no one ever got on our case about it so I guess we're fine.

I mean, there's a difference between "Exclusive Picture Of Thor" and "Seagal is shooting The Foreigner III in Mexico!" or "New A-Team Action Figures Reveal That Patrick Wilson Is Playing A Man Made Of Cement.", right?

I'm probably stating the obvious, but I just want to make sure.
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post #5 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Erix View Post
One thing... With regards to "posting news on the boards." Over on The B Action Thread, we're constantly posting news items about upcoming video releases, DTVs ... the latest bullshit involving Lundgren, Seagal, etc. I'm assuming we can keep on doing that, right? I doubt much of this is considered legit news. We also frequently share links to Stallone interviews and what not. It's just what we do and no one ever got on our case about it so I guess we're fine.

I mean, there's a difference between "Exclusive Picture Of Thor" and "Seagal is shooting The Foreigner III in Mexico!" or "New A-Team Action Figures Reveal That Patrick Wilson Is Playing A Man Made Of Cement.", right?

I'm probably stating the obvious, but I just want to make sure.
You guys keep doing your thing.
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post #6 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:22pm
QUESTION: Are you guys going to open registration intermittently, or is it going to remain open until the trolls get too overwhelming or something? Just making sure in case I come across someone who's registered for the boards or tried to do so in the past but couldn't get past the registration process for whatever reason (laziness, e-mail spam filter issues, etc.).
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post #7 of 380
5/11/10 at 7:23pm
I honestly don't know. We'll see how it goes right now. We had a flood of spam when we opened the door, but it looks like it subsided, so I may ask Eileen to keep it open for the time being.
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post #8 of 380
5/11/10 at 10:32pm
I'll repost this here.

I have only one request, personal attacks needs to be moderated. Sometimes it can get out of hand and detract from decent discussion. (I'm no saint, I've taken the bait and went personal before.) But, I feel it's a rule that should be enforced.

What I'm saying is I guess it's acceptable calling someone an idiot or asshole. But anything more may or may not be crossing the line. The Trolling rule might be covering this well enough though.
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post #9 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:05am
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Originally Posted by billylove View Post
I'll repost this here.

I have only one request, personal attacks needs to be moderated. Sometimes it can get out of hand and detract from decent discussion. (I'm no saint, I've taken the bait and went personal before.) But, I feel it's a rule that should be enforced.
Yeah, personal slights on a movie discussion board always come across as so weak and tiresome. Not only do they not elevate the level of the discourse one iota, they distract from the conversation points and drag the vibe of good threads down. Not to mention they're just so unmanly. It's not a good look for anybody. This is why the advice under "Don't Be A Dick" would be well applied in attitudes toward everybody, not just the mods or writers.

Also, everybody who gets suspended should be forced to prove they've read the last 20 posts Phil and Jake (to chose but the most obvious two of the many Chewers who qualify for 'Superb' status) have each made before they're allowed to reactivate their account, so that they can see how to carry themselves with humility, good humour and class around this joint.


(By the way, the "unmanly" comment isn't meant in any way to ignore the ladies of CHUD. It's simply that they tend not to be the ones who need to learn to act like adults who have a clue.)
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post #10 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:12am
I'm a regular reader, semi-regular poster. I don't really understand the need for these guidelines. Forums are a mess everywhere - it's kind of the nature of the internet. If you want to build these forums here, I would advise that you simply encourage more positive discourse by hiring, discussing cinema, with more talented writers. Negatively enforcing the internet by banning people seems to be a go-nowhere tactic. Nick made a post about how negative threads get lots of views and posts, and positive threads get the opposite. Why should you run your operation by these "views" standards, and succumb to the same mentality that is supposedly plaguing your boards? Stick to your guns and be philosophically consistent. Seriously, fuck money, dude. This is just my take. You've been asking for everyone's two cents, and that's mine. Just sayin.
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post #11 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:35am
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Originally Posted by stump View Post
I'm a regular reader, semi-regular poster. I don't really understand the need for these guidelines. Forums are a mess everywhere - it's kind of the nature of the internet. If you want to build these forums here, I would advise that you simply encourage more positive discourse by hiring, discussing cinema, with more talented writers. Negatively enforcing the internet by banning people seems to be a go-nowhere tactic. Nick made a post about how negative threads get lots of views and posts, and positive threads get the opposite. Why should you run your operation by these "views" standards, and succumb to the same mentality that is supposedly plaguing your boards? Stick to your guns and be philosophically consistent. Seriously, fuck money, dude. This is just my take. You've been asking for everyone's two cents, and that's mine. Just sayin.
Well the Website won't run itself nor on the best wishes of best fishes. These guys have to make a buck and if that means I have (or had) to endure that awful fucking Freddy Kruger pop-up for a few weeks for them to so so, so be it.

I'd love it if CHUD had a dozen writers of the caliber of Devin, Nick, Beaks et al.But the economics of the Web make that impossible.

Also, didn't Devin start a thread recently on the subject of "positive posts"? And that actually did bring a higher level of discourse, at least for a while. Then Iron Man 2 came out.
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post #12 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:36am
It also seems strange to me that there are three separate threads regarding the same topic-Forum Behavior. I'm only stating this to try to make the point that I think the on-line attitude of the webmasters here breeds a certain type of behavior from its users. Once again, just sayin.
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post #13 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:40am
Hey I've done my part, or at least tried. I started a thread about a great documentary on Harlan Ellison, which everyone should see, and which should be catnip to Chewers, and that thread got

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post #14 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:41am
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Well the Website won't run itself nor on the best wishes of best fishes. These guys have to make a buck and if that means I have (or had) to endure that awful fucking Freddy Kruger pop-up for a few weeks for them to so so, so be it.

I'd love it if CHUD had a dozen writers of the caliber of Devin, Nick, Beaks et al.But the economics of the Web make that impossible.

Also, didn't Devin start a thread recently on the subject of "positive posts"? And that actually did bring a higher level of discourse, at least for a while. Then Iron Man 2 came out.
I missed his positive posts thread. Like I said, I'm a semi-regular poster. But I'm not surprised he did that. As much as Devin can be a troll, he can also be very thoughtful and can incite great arguments on cinema.

Cylon, I don't care about the argument of making a buck. Blocking ads has nothing to do with this. This is about internet discourse. You don't make money off of that. There are other sites out there - non-geek sites - real cinephile site, started by people just to discuss cinema, not to place ads and make money. And if these boards want to get into that serious discussion of cinema, they should follow their lead. I LOVE Jim Emerson's Scanners blog - he posts his awesome ideas, people respond with thoughtful comments. No flaming, or at least very little flaming. Why is this?
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post #15 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:42am
Hey, I posted a thread about 16mm film screenings from the Situationists and Post-Situationists and got zero response. Still sad about that, actually. Wait, whatare we talking about?
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post #16 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:45am
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Hey I've done my part, or at least tried. I started a thread about a great documentary on Harlan Ellison, which everyone should see, and which should be catnip to Chewers, and that thread got

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that's cool. But at the same time you shouldn't use it as a cross to hang yourself on. Nick's humorous and simple little post about pos & neg threads was very true - it cuts to the core of the internet. So that's something you have to think about every time you post anything. Don't expect a reward for what you think is an insight. People don't really care.
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post #17 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:50am
Please stop drunk posting.
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post #18 of 380
5/12/10 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by stump View Post
I missed his positive posts thread. Like I said, I'm a semi-regular poster. But I'm not surprised he did that. As much as Devin can be a troll, he can also be very thoughtful and can incite great arguments on cinema.

Cylon, I don't care about the argument of making a buck. Blocking ads has nothing to do with this. This is about internet discourse. You don't make money off of that. There are other sites out there - non-geek sites - real cinephile site, started by people just to discuss cinema, not to place ads and make money. And if these boards want to get into that serious discussion of cinema, they should follow their lead. I LOVE Jim Emerson's Scanners blog - he posts his awesome ideas, people respond with thoughtful comments. No flaming, or at least very little flaming. Why is this?
I'll check out the Scanner's Blog.

The money matters IF you want a steady stream of quality content. Part of that content is the content on the Message Boards. I have no doubt a large % of hits this site gets are from the Boards vs the Main Site. So yes Discourse and "making a buck" are intertwined.
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post #19 of 380
5/12/10 at 1:00am
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Please stop drunk posting.
Sorry man. I'll try, but it's rare that I post sober. Are you seeing my points at all though?
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post #20 of 380
5/12/10 at 1:02am
No.
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post #21 of 380
5/12/10 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
No.
lol.
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post #22 of 380
5/12/10 at 2:29am
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Originally Posted by stump View Post
It also seems strange to me that there are three separate threads regarding the same topic-Forum Behavior. I'm only stating this to try to make the point that I think the on-line attitude of the webmasters here breeds a certain type of behavior from its users. Once again, just sayin.
Well, this point definitely makes sense.

Snark breeds snark. You get what you give in attitude. Posters to a particular message board typically follow the lead of the head honchos/clique of said forum, so I don't know if or why anyone would be surprised when the personal attacks come back at the admin like they do here. I mean, it is CHUD:It's to be expected, right?

If it's intended to be Snark World here, I guess that's fine and dandy, but it also discourages a great deal of honest discourse from the members as a result.
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post #23 of 380
5/12/10 at 1:30pm
I have said this before but when I first came he I was a member of the scorched planet crew. But Nick and Devin saw past that and gave me a chance. Hence the reason I will defend this place and it's crew, because they are fair people and a bunch of good folks.
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post #24 of 380
5/12/10 at 3:38pm
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Well, this point definitely makes sense.

Snark breeds snark. You get what you give in attitude. Posters to a particular message board typically follow the lead of the head honchos/clique of said forum, so I don't know if or why anyone would be surprised when the personal attacks come back at the admin like they do here. I mean, it is CHUD:It's to be expected, right?

If it's intended to be Snark World here, I guess that's fine and dandy, but it also discourages a great deal of honest discourse from the members as a result.
I've been saying that for months. The last time I brought it up, I got a dismissive response from Dellamorte saying

"Oh no, the 'What about the children' argument."

I was posting a serious suggestion to help the board, and one of the main contributors acted like a dick. How exactly does that encourage positive posting?

The thing is, I like Dellamorte. I look forward to reading his column every week, but there was no reason for him to be a dick. I'm a big boy and I know this is the internet. I wasn't personally offended or anything, but I do wonder what his reasoning was behind saying that.
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post #25 of 380
5/12/10 at 4:05pm
He does that to everybody. It had escaped my notice until now that he has a column, but at least that explains his attitude in a way that doesn't make him look like a mere ass-kisser.

I was going to come back and edit that so it came out less awkwardly, but upon review of Devin's "Would I say this to them in real life? And would I say it this way?" guideline, I'll let it stand.
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post #26 of 380
5/12/10 at 4:13pm
I tend to notice a lot of horror news at other sites like Shock To You Drop and Bloody Disgusting that you guys don't really seem have an interest in, so I don't bother you with it. It's cool if this stuff gets linked to in the Creature Corner forums, right? I mean, if it's some big franchise news or something then of course I'd defer to you guys, but for the most part it's shit you guys don't cover that the people who lurk in the Corner might be interested in.

EDIT: Just noticed Erix's post pretty much answered my question, but let me know if it's a problem.
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post #27 of 380
5/12/10 at 4:42pm
New rule added.
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post #28 of 380
5/12/10 at 4:45pm
The House Rules seem pretty reasonable. Thanks for letting us know.
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post #29 of 380
5/12/10 at 6:31pm
Don't want to spam up this thread with unnecessary chatter, so instead I'll just say Receipt of new rules acknowledged


PS Bill Maher would like to talk to you about a copyright issue
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post #30 of 380
5/12/10 at 6:57pm
Dev, one request: if you're going to place someone in timeout, can you either give a brief summation for why or, alternatively, link to the offending post/thread? It'd be nice to (a) know what the punished's alleged crimes were, and (b) give us all some guidance in this brave new world. Thanks.
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post #31 of 380
5/12/10 at 7:42pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
New rule added.
Question.

I am not out to violate board policy, of course, but what, to the mind of the powers that be, constitutes advocacy of piracy? Also, does this anti-privacy stance apply to all media?

Some examples - I will sometimes post in music threads to discuss albums that aren't commercially available yet, having heard them through less-than-legal means. And what of the CD exchanges, which are a festival of piracy? And the discussion in the Treme thread as to how the HBO-less among us might go about seeing it? Are any of these bannable offenses?
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post #32 of 380
5/12/10 at 7:46pm
Bye, Zooey. See you Friday.
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post #33 of 380
5/12/10 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey View Post
Question.

I am not out to violate board policy, of course, but what, to the mind of the powers that be, constitutes advocacy of piracy? Also, does this anti-privacy stance apply to all media?

Some examples - I will sometimes post in music threads to discuss albums that aren't commercially available yet, having heard them through less-than-legal means. And what of the CD exchanges, which are a festival of piracy? And the discussion in the Treme thread as to how the HBO-less among us might go about seeing it? Are any of these bannable offenses?
HEY MAYBE IF YOU HADN'T MENTIONED IT HE WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT

But yeah, good questions.
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post #34 of 380
5/12/10 at 8:00pm
Even though I missed out on some, I would hate to lose the CD exchanges. I get the piracy angle, I really do, but that seems to be a light gray area. Sneaking a listen to a leaked album is more of a darker gray. Like slate, maybe. Fucking torrenting Iron Man 2 is pitch black, though. Forget detention or time out, that should be certain and swift banishment.
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post #35 of 380
5/12/10 at 8:04pm
Honestly? I just care about movie & TV piracy. But don't start linking torrent sites and shit please.
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post #36 of 380
5/12/10 at 11:35pm
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Originally Posted by MissZooey View Post
Question.

I am not out to violate board policy, of course, but what, to the mind of the powers that be, constitutes advocacy of piracy? Also, does this anti-privacy stance apply to all media?

Some examples - I will sometimes post in music threads to discuss albums that aren't commercially available yet, having heard them through less-than-legal means. And what of the CD exchanges, which are a festival of piracy? And the discussion in the Treme thread as to how the HBO-less among us might go about seeing it? Are any of these bannable offenses?
You could always, I don't know, pay for HBO? Maybe wait for the DVD?

Treme isn't free. HBO funds its awesome productions, in part, with revenue from its subscribers.
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post #37 of 380
5/12/10 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by Spook View Post
You could always, I don't know, pay for HBO? Maybe wait for the DVD?

Treme isn't free. HBO funds its awesome productions, in part, with revenue from its subscribers.
Devin, is deliberately trying to derail a thread a bannable offense?
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post #38 of 380
5/12/10 at 11:53pm
Serious question: Would discussing a show in depth before you should have reasonably been able to see it be considered advocating piracy? For example, some of us manage to see Doctor Who before it airs on BBC America. Would talking about an episode we obviously couldn't have seen yet be ban worthy?
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post #39 of 380
5/12/10 at 11:54pm
I think y'all are overanalyzing this
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post #40 of 380
5/12/10 at 11:55pm
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I think y'all are overanalyzing this
Maybe, but I don't want to take any chances. Better to ask and look foolish than assume and end up booted.
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post #41 of 380
5/13/10 at 2:00am
I should probably ban you for watching DR. WHO in general.

But just be reasonable. It feels sort of common sensey to me.

And yeah, pay for HBO or wait for the DVDs. That "I want it right now and I should get it for free" mentality is the worst.
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post #42 of 380
5/13/10 at 2:10am
I won't discuss pirated material on this site because it's a rule set forth by the powers that be and I can respect that. That doesn't mean I accept the argument against it (because in a lot of cases I don't) but rather I can accept that you don't deem it acceptable and I'm a guest in your home as it were.
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post #43 of 380
5/13/10 at 7:08am
Please don't delete any posts. I understand that there was recently a big brouhaha between Jcassady and Christmas Exchange Con-Artist Greg Clark, which is now completely nonexistent, thanks to deleting.

Keep the fights and personal attacks visible. Let it all hang out. If you don't, the forums come another step closer to being the Old Lady Knitting & Antiques Forums.
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post #44 of 380
5/13/10 at 8:00am
Thanks for the clarification, Devin.
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post #45 of 380
5/13/10 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Thanks for the clarification, Devin.
What he said. Obligado.

eta - Fwiw, It's not a matter of "I want it right now and should get it for free." It's that I would most definitely pay for an iTunes subscription or something similar, but it's not available. I'm not giving that fucking awful cable company another thin dime. That's all. [/derail]
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post #46 of 380
5/13/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
I think y'all are overanalyzing this
Yeah... It makes sense. Basically don't discuss piracy unless you mean to rail against it. You may have seen a movie or TV show by downloading it. FOR WHATEVER REASON. But there's no reason to broadcast that part of it. Discussing the TV show or movie is one thing, going into detail that you illegally downloaded it is something else.

I doubt anyone will make assumptions. Just don't give the impression that you support piracy in your posts. Seems like a simple enough rule to me.

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Please don't delete any posts. I understand that there was recently a big brouhaha between Jcassady and Christmas Exchange Con-Artist Greg Clark, which is now completely nonexistent, thanks to deleting.

Keep the fights and personal attacks visible. Let it all hang out. If you don't, the forums come another step closer to being the Old Lady Knitting & Antiques Forums.
I have to say I agree with this. I understand it's your perogative. But deleting a post entirely does come off a bit like censorship. Also, consider that keeping the post would maintain the evidence of why a particular poster was banned or timed out.

I also hope that banned people don't get their posts deleted along with the banning. They may have contributed something of value that should be preserved.
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post #47 of 380
5/25/10 at 12:05pm
Are we permitted to link to youtube vids that may contain copyrighted material (movie clips. etc)?
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post #48 of 380
5/27/10 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
Please stop drunk posting.
Damnit. Is that a rule?
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post #49 of 380
6/3/10 at 4:58am
New rule added.
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post #50 of 380
6/3/10 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by devincf View Post
New rule added.
http://chud.com/forum/member.php?u=22648

Thank you.
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