JONAH HEX Post Release - Page 2

I disagree, the actually think Princess Kate's persona is better handled. She seldom overplays her hand and makes it screamingly obvious she is a troll, but Fleed does that all the time, that last line being an obvious example. It is just way too obvious he is just trying to piss us off.
Anyway, I think he like Armond White in one thing, his Shtick is getting more tired by the minute.

There are times when I think Kate is for real, since I know some people in the age groups she claims to in who really are that self centered and really are that much of a know it all,and constanly make themselves idiots by pontificating on things they know nothing about. But with Fleed, never.

As a big Jonah Hex fan, I am avoiding this movie like the plague, and will put on his appreance in Batman:THe ANimated Series instead.

I dug it and I'll tell you why:

This is an acid western released on almost 3,000 screens nationwide.

Never thought I'd see the day.

Does it compare with stuff like El Topo and Dead Man? Hell no. I'm just saying. Within its own parameters, it's still deeply weird and I like deeply weird.

But. What I wouldn't have given to see what Alex Cox might've done with it.

Since I just couldn't spend $10 on a 70 minute movie, I walked into this after paying to see Karate Kid. I was greeted by two other people. I sat down during a crude flash animation sequence that blew past Hex material they should have actually spent time on (Hex being taken in by Native Americans, Hex bounty hunting).

It's a pretty lifeless movie. Everyone seems bored. Brolin's lost and uncomfortable. I think you can blame the fact that they yanked the right side of Brolin's face back to create Jonah's sneer. They should have applied the scar makeup and left it at that.

The actual 'story' is an extremely watered down, hacked up version of the Neveldine/Taylor script I read a while ago. It's funny that people are blaming Neveldine and Taylor for stuff they "obviously had their fingerprints all over". Jonah talking to dead people, the super weapon, the dragonballs, dynamite crossbows, the president offering Jonah a job as SHERIFF OF AMERICA, etc: *None* of this was in their script. Things would have been a lot more insane, violent and interesting if they had been able to do what they wanted. It wasn't the greatest script I'd ever read, but it would have been the first movie to end with someone saying-

"Don't forget to get your dick wet, soldier."
*rides off*

The most interesting thing about the movie is figuring out how much of it comes from the additional shoot/reshoots. I'd say at least 60-70%. The movie revolves around Malkovich's little orange balls. From what I've read, that was a big part of the additional shoot. I also think the funniest scene in the movie comes from the reshoots: The President offers Jonah a big badge and a job as SHERIFF OF AMERICA, Jonah responds with something like "uhh I don't think it works that way, Mr. President."

dudalb, I am not trying to annoy people with my dislike for the trailers for both...Scott Pilgrim and Inception. I will not be seeing these films anytime soon. It is too bad that there will not be a...Jonah Hex 2, though!

Holy shit I just saw the box office for this flick.

I hope this didn't set the Western back another 20 years.

Wait until Cowboys and Aliens. I wonder if that's going to be affected by this.

Spending some more time on these boards, I think you're right.

Yeah, I'm a huge Hex fan, and this movie depresses me to no end. In my final Web Design class in high school I went WAY above and beyond what we were supposed to be doing to make a page dedicated to Hex (this was when it had just been announced that they wanted to do a movie -- I remember mentioning how bad Thomas Jane wanted the part), but it was worth it. I love this character. I think this film gave me cancer.

For the record, I'd still be interested in seeing the cut they had before someone decided to reshoot a ton of crap and release the movie in June. I'd like to see that original Red Clay ending before they put a red haze over it and hacked it to bits. It was the most interesting looking scene in the movie.

That cut will probably never the light of day, though.

Saw this on a whim tonight. Yikes. Can't understand half of Brolin's lines and Malkovich is just awful. As a fan of Lance Reddick, I was upset (but not necessarily surprised) that he literally had 3 lines in the whole movie but his last scene (Happy 4th of July!) was a real hoot. And Malkovich's super magic cannon boat reminded me of the flying gunships from Super Mario 3. Fassbender doesn't get enough screen time, but as far as his career is concerned, maybe thats a good thing. Hell, this thing is so short, it feels like nobody gets any screen time. Megan Fox was on screen for all of 20 minutes maybe?

I can almost see glimpses of an awesome Crank-ified version with Nevaldine/Taylor at the helm, running wild and doing whatever they want, but man, what a pile of shit this turned out to be.

Anger Management, Foxy Megan, was terrific as the...Hooker with a heart of gold. Megan Fox, gets too much blame for being an appealing lead. Right now, I would say, Jonah Hex is my...5th fave film of 2010.

I can't help but think Megan Fox was the least of everyone's worries on the Jonah Hex set.

Megan Fox had literally nothing to do with this film being nigh-unwatchable garbage. Put virtually any other actress in that under-written, do-nothing role and they won't fare much better.

Worst movie I've seen since I LOVE YOU BETH COOPER.

Dare I ask what your other favorites from 2010 are?

fuzzy dunlop, Currently I have...
1) The A-Team
2)
3) Iron Man 2
4) Kick-Ass
5) Jonah Hex
6) From Paris With Love

I expect the rest of my best of list to be...2)The Expendables, 7) Alien Vs Ninja, 8) Machete, 9) Clash Of The Titans, 10) The Mechanic, 11) Ong Bak 3, 12) Killers, 13) Valentine's Day.

Well there's your problem. You rank your movies before you see 'em.

MikeI, Other than the first...6 slots (one vacant) the other films are ones I...EXPECT, to be in the top 13. I get excited, for the films I want to see, and follow the making of the film from...Casting.

Anyway, back to...Jonah Hex, and why there are so many people that haven't seen it. Sure, the story is a basic revenge film, but that doesn't make the film...bad. Josh Brolin is properly tough as Hex, and I loved the scene with...Gatling Guns on Hex's horse, as he mows down alot of gunman, that desired his death, is...Glorious!

The one good thing about...Jonah Hex, bombing, is that it should arrive on dvd...sooner!

Saw this last night and, wow, was it ever a mess. fun here and there, but mostly a disaster.

So, to those who are "in the know" so to speak: How does this happen? A movie being bad is one thing, but for a (I'm assuming) $80-100 million movie to go THIS wrong, seriously, what contributes to that?

4496 aka Joe Sixpack, Allegedly...WB execs dropped Jonah's Budget from...$80 mil-$40 mil, the night before shooting. If true, that alone, could have...HEXed Jonah!

What Hollywood can learn from Jonah Hex:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65N0P020100624

Considering what happened, that was probably a wise move on the part of Warners.

I thought WB is usually pretty hands-off and allow the director to make a movie according to his preferences and vision, like Chris Nolan got when he was making Batman Begins. Jonah Hex seemed to be micromanaged by WB to death, and the end result of the original script combined with the reshoots did it in. WB have no one to blame but themselves.

Anger Management, Isn't that what...WB actually stands for...Without Blame?

LOL.

Yeah I don't know why they meddled with this movie so much.
I thought the lower the budget, the less studio interference you get.

So to recap: Supposedly everyone loved Neveldine and Taylor's script, but then they leave/get kicked off the project because of "creative differences" with Brolin. Then someone decides that their Hard R script should become a PG-13 movie. Then Hayward turns in his cut and they decide to do a ton of shitty reshoots.

Just read the original script. Man, I laughed pretty hard at some stuff, like the three rednecks who all get their dicks torn off in different ways, Cletus and Enos, the money-hungry Indian...

Too bad.

N&T's script promised some of the most amazing TOBACCO SPITTIN footage of all time.

A clip from the JONAH HEX animated short:
http://splashpage.mtv.com/2010/07/13...-the-red-hood/

Yeah, that holds a hell of a lot more promise.

It should be fun. I've always like Lansdale's sense of humor and the previous animated short with THE SPECTRE was pretty good.

Indeed, and Jane sounds dead-on as Hex. Did you know that Lansdale wrote the Hex episode "Showdown" of Batman: The Animated Series? That's pretty damn awesome itself, and William McKinney is PERFECT as the voice of Hex.

Also, would someone be willing to send me the script? I can't find it on the web, and I'd like to read it.

I'd like to take a look at it too if anyone has it.

It's terrible. Boring.
Not even Fassbender saves it. He tries though.

What the fuck were those Dragon Balls Turnball stole? And the snake fighter? Was that Michael Shannon for 2 seconds as the announcer?

70 minutes. 20 of them are shots of Jonah riding fast from one point to the other.

So incompetent.

What's that? The movie bombed? Well, I guess we better hide Brolin's disfigurement on the DVD cover...

Hey now, maybe the DVD cover guy didn't know that wasn't how Josh Brolin really looked, and was just brushing up the picture so he'd look good.

It's completely innocent.

If anything this movie gave us all a few new Mastodon tracks.

This is one of the biggest bombs of recent memory. This movie is like a version of what not to do with a comic property.

I think Neveldine and Taylor's version would have been ridiculous but at least had a style. Nothing from this film registers nothing.

Brolin could have been good in the role if he had a story supporting him and Fassbender was a bright spot but my god was Malkovich terrible.

For those hungry Spidey fans wanting him as the Vulture you dodged a big bullet there lads.

I'm sorry for saying this because I really like the guy, but Brolin is a huge part of why this was such a disaster. Reading the article about Jonah Hex in a previous Empire showed just how big of a say he had in this. Changing Neveldin and Taylor's script because it was too vulgar and crazy? Choosing the director because he asked very passionately? And these are things he actually said himself.

He had a hand in almost every action that sank this movie.

Exactly Stelios. This movie cried out for vulgar and crazy.

This is the worst movie I have ever seen in the theater. It's heinous. "Turnbulling" a role has become the de facto word for phoning it in in my circle.

Well, as I mentioned in the B-Movie thread, I was apparently temporarily insane earlier today as I actually rented the Blu-Ray of this. Although, maybe I was insane when I decided to watch the Blu-Ray.

Actually, I guess I should be fair and say that I didn't hate the movie or think it was legendarily awful. It's just that it was disappointing and it should have been a hell of a lot better. Then again I had zero expectations for it.

As I've mentioned in other threads before, I am not a comic book fan at all; not that I don't like comic book movies sometimes. It's just that comics in general aren't my thing. But, the character of Jonah Hex sounded pretty cool. He wasn't in the movie, mind you, but I'm sure in the comics he was much better.

The movie was just too short and pointless to be totally offensive, despite how stupid it often was. Other people said the main complaints before in the thread-better than I likely could-but it's true. Marlowe's Cat on the first page said it pretty well in his long post that looks like something I would have written up. There were some amusing moments and the action wasn't that bad... otherwise, what a waste. And, Malkovich was even worse than I could have imagined. It was like he was one of the corpses that Hex reanimated, but somehow he remained living. He might as well have acted in his pajamas the entire time, that's how much he sleepwalked through it all.

So, it was quite the mess. Not entirely painful to watch, but what a disaster nonetheless and yet I wouldn't even say it's one of the worst of the year. A totally pointless proto-MMA scene with a mysterious supernatural "snake man" in South Carolina? What the crap? It's just SO disappointing and like I said, it should have been much better.

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In regards to N&T, guess we'll find out when GHOST RIDER 2 hits. I had such low expectations of this, that I was actually entertained on DVD. The animated intro (seriously, WB) and Malkovich were abysmal, but I had fun with some of the sequences, including the bounty collection at the small town and the corpse stuff. Those sequences reminded me a bit of the DARK TOWER series. I liked the score well enough as well. It's in no ways good (wish it steered more into R rated territory ), but it could make a slightly-appetizing undercard to a main event of Raimi's THE QUICK AND THE DEAD.

 

But I also watch DTV dreck, so...
 

 

and somehow....

Academy Award contender JONAH HEX:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/alice-wonderland-fighter-oscar-shortlist-69991

wadew1, I hope that, Jonah Hex...Wins it's award, so that the WB, can put...Acadamy Award Winner Jonah Hex, on any future releases.

I liked the movie enough to put it in the honorable mentions list on my Best Of 2010 list. I understand that it's short, but that only made it better for me. It's like a sidetrack movie that can be popped in while you're deciding on another movie to see. Plus I had fun with Hex's few gadgets that he had. Wish he had more of them in the film, and more scenes like the one where he shoots the guy in the bar through his hat. Too bad there's not going to be any sequels. With a change in the female lead of course.

Well, I finally read Neveldine & Taylor's screenplay for the film.  Basically, it seems like they probably shot it as written for the most part..................and then completely overhauled it in the reshoots.  Going off of my memory of the film, here is what is different:

 

- None of the "crow resurrection" and "talking with the dead" stuff is in the script.

- Virtually all of the "dragonball" crap is nonexistant.  Instead, Turnball uses the threat of a second Civil War to gain political power.

- Leila's role is a little smaller and has a different conclusion.

- There's a lot more character scenes with the main cast (Hex, Turnbull, Burke, the US military, etc.).

- Pretty much the entire third act is different, save for the "hallucinations" which are actually made up of the original ending to the film.

- The script is 125 pages and is a bit long in the tooth.  It's also obviously more violent (though not gory) and far more vulgar than the movie we got.  The humor tends to get a little childish (lot of fart references and horse gags).

- There is no Q-like character dealing out gadgets to Hex.  With the gatling gun saddlebags are here, the dynamite-firing crossbows are not.

- It has a Munich-esque sex scene that imposes violent footage of Hex in gunfights over top of him banging Leila!

- The opening is virtually the same up until a little after Hex first meets with the US Army.

 

That said, unless it was improved upon in the initial shoot, we haven't missed out on a masterpiece.  As written, it is definitely better than the film we got, but it certainly isn't great.  The reshoots definitely made things worse..............turning it from a fairly middling tale into an all-out wreck of a film.  It would really be interesting to see Hayward's initial cut, as it apparently follows the screenplay fairly closely.............albeit in a less vulgar form.  Again, there is no way that it is some lost masterpiece, but I guarantee it has to be better than what we got.

I think Hayward originally shot a watered down version of N&T's script with some "talking to dead people" stuff thrown in.

Then the studio decided the movie needed orange cannonballs and they reshot a ton of it.