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We Are Not All The Same Under The Skin

post #1 of 14
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From this week's Economist:

The blocks of DNA studied by the HapMap and similar projects are swapped between neighbouring chromosomes during the process of egg and sperm formation. Dr Sabeti realised that a gene which is being favoured by selection will drag its neighbours along for the ride, meaning that the block it is in will be longer than the statistics of random mixing would predict.

Using this and one or two similar statistical tools, Dr Sabeti has identified 200 places in the human genome that have been subject to recent selective “sweeps”—and she often has a good idea of the genes that have been doing the sweeping.

Some are not surprising. Genes that regulate skin pigment and hair morphology, both well-known markers of geographical origin, have undergone significant selection. So have genes regulating metabolism, probably in response to the shift from hunting and gathering to farming as mankind’s principal way of life.

Intriguingly, though, several genes connected with sensory perception—hearing and balance, in particular—have altered. In this case, the changes are most noticeable in some of the Asian branches of humanity. Genes involved in the development of the sound-detecting hair cells of the ears seem especially affected. Whether that means Asians hear things differently from other people has yet to be established, but it might.

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If you choose to wade in, I invite you to read the entire article (linked above) first.

This isn't a political issue, but it could be. I've always suspected that the "we're all alike under the skin" trope had more to do with political and social expediency than actual science. Due to our collective history of finding reasons to dehumanize and, thus, exterminate "the other" (welcome to the club, Kyrgystan), one could make a case that it is not in humanity's greater interest to pursue this line of inquiry particularly closely.

Nevertheless, it seems to me that it'll only be a matter of time before "we'll" be able to say "they" are different, then back up that assertion with genomic evidence showing that "they" have better/worse balance, hearing, hair, toenails, etc. than "we" do.

So, I'm thinking about the implications of this knowledge. Will we embrace it as delightful evidence that we humans come in a wide variety of flavors? Will we use it as an excuse to deligitimize, demonize, or marginalize The Other? What will the middle ground look like?

Whatever the future holds, there's no doubt that it's a fascinating time to be alive.
post #2 of 14
Awesome, racists everywhere are probably reading this headline and breathlessly whispering "FUCK YES."

That being said, poring through it right now! I'm automatically going to take the most cynical view possible, however, because that's how I roll.
post #3 of 14
How is any more significant than having different eye color or a hitchhiker's thumb? It's not like these inner traits create a new species.
post #4 of 14
But, idiots will treat them like they do.
post #5 of 14
That, Jake, is a sad fact. Sometimes I hate people. And by sometimes I mean every single hour of every single day.
post #6 of 14
(rubs hands gleefully)

FINALLY. You inferior beings will tremble at my Asian ability to hear things differently!

(whispers)

Ffffffffuuuuuuuck yes.
post #7 of 14
All I have to say is, no shit.

Evolution didn't just magically select for superficial physical traits among relatively isolated populations of people. Until populations grew large enough, and transportation effective enough to push them into cross-pollination, the different "races" were marching toward speciation.

The fact is, just because there may be genetic differences between peoples (and, mind you, these are likely to be slight, and unimportant differences) doesn't entail anything about how we ought to treat them.
post #8 of 14
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We don't know that these will be slight, unimportant differences. What if we find, for example, that a particular race is (generally) smarter, more responsible, or more creative?
post #9 of 14
I don't care what stupid people might think. Falling into the trap of censoring or dismissing science because it might provide bigots with new ammunition for a short while is unacceptable. We'll have to cross that bridge if and when we get to it.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti View Post
We don't know that these will be slight, unimportant differences. What if we find, for example, that a particular race is (generally) smarter, more responsible, or more creative?
That's all assuming we have any valid metric for measuring those things, which is quite a reach, especially in terms of genetics. This research is fascinating, but it's likely to be a long time before it produces anything both controversial and backed by actual science.

Not to dismiss the article in anyway; it's very exciting, and I'm glad to have it pointed out. I've got to bite the bullet and subscribe to the Economist.
post #11 of 14
While I'm interested in the research, I see nothing here that really topples the actual scientific answer that has held firm on this for decades, namely that the variation within individuals of races is far, far greater than the variation between the races.

Case in point: if it turns out that Latin Americans are the world smartest "race" on average by a total of 1.6%, so what? I can think of people who are probably 30% smarter than me, and I am likely to be 30% smarter than some other people. A hypothetical difference spread across a population is of very little meaning.
post #12 of 14
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A hypothetical difference spread across a population is of very little meaning.
Actual meaning, no. Political meaning, possibly.
post #13 of 14
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Case in point: if it turns out that Latin Americans are the world smartest "race" on average by a total of 1.6%, so what? I can think of people who are probably 30% smarter than me, and I am likely to be 30% smarter than some other people. A hypothetical difference spread across a population is of very little meaning.
And besides that, what does "smart" mean and why would that make a difference? Someone's always going to have a trait that will alienate him/her from others. Einstein was bullied by teachers in childhood for dyslexia. Turing committed suicide after public humiliation for his sexual orientation.
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Originally Posted by Monty Underhill View Post
And besides that, what does "smart" mean and why would that make a difference? Someone's always going to have a trait that will alienate him/her from others. Einstein was bullied by teachers in childhood for dyslexia. Turing committed suicide after public humiliation for his sexual orientation.
Agreed. One of the things I learned over the course of my education is the malleability of the concept of intelligence. Some people are brilliant at abstract analysis, others at pattern recognition, and yet others at memorization, just to name a few of the different types of intellectual intelligence. Moving beyond that there are people with greater abilities to read body language or discern emotional states from spoken cues. Each of these is essentially a kind of intelligence, too. The real question is the metric applied and how accurately it reflects real-world performance.
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