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O Brother, Where Art Thou? (2000)

post #1 of 41
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Whilst perusing the school lobrary's DVD section, I spotted this. I know of Coen brothers. I've seen Fargo, No Country for Old Men, Intolerable Cruelty and of course, Raising Arizona. Didn't get No Country for Old Men, really liked Intolerable Cruelty (It appeared to me a throwback to some of the romantic comedy type films of the 30s/40s), Grew up on Raising Arizona and really enjoyed Fargo.

But I heard recently that O Brother, Where Art Thou? Was loosely based on the Odyssey and featured the original version of 'Oh Death' that had been played ad-naseum for the Supernatural TV promos as of late. Now, I adore that sort of "Old Timey" music so I checked out this film in hopes of hearing the original version.

Thank god I did. Loved this movie. Loved the allusions to Greek Myth, the visuals, loved the characters. really enjoyed them playing reality and fantasy. I was having a good time, but the thing that sealed the deal for me was Tommy/Robert Johnson character. Then the scene with the Sirens....

Suffice to say, I am officially a fan of the Coen Brothers now, and look forward to re-evaluating No Country for Old Men in addition to the other films of their's I've yet to see.

This film, despite its occasionally darker nature, just seems like a love letter to American folk music. The often biblical/mythological nature of most of the lyrics, the earnestness and their setting I think really transcends time and creed. If anything positive can be made of the culture of what we know as 'The South," I believe that would be the music and literature it spawned compared to the relative aesthetic legacy of 'The North'.

Also: Stunning Scenes:
The Baptism with the folks in white walking through the woods singing "Let's Go Down to the River"

The beginning sequence in the fields

The Sirens

The Klan with "Oh Death"

And the final confrontation with The Lawman/Satan and the singing of the three gravediggers.
post #2 of 41
Clooney's continued statement of 'Damn...we're in a tight spot' whilst the barn is burning cultimating with the final rendition of the line being barely audible in the background is probably one of my favourite jokes in all cinema. Love that so much.

I've got Coen Brother films I know are better (Miller's Crossing, No Country for Old Mne) and films with sharper scripts (Lebowski) but this is my personal favourite of those movies.

Love the look of the film, love the music, loved the central performances and I loved how they tied in elements of American mythos into the film (like the Baby face robber and the Robert Johnson myth). Love it.
post #3 of 41
Agreed with Spike. It kinda helps that I grew up around all that kinda stuff in the South, but at the same time the movie's just a whole lot of fun.

Also, check out Robert Johnson's original stuff. Not all the covers - despite some of them being great, Johnson's raw style in the original recordings is way more awesome and sort of chilling than any of the covers.
post #4 of 41
"I don't want FOP, dammit! I'm a DapperDanMan!"

Clooney was a revelation to me here. Haven't seen this in years.

"Gopher?"
post #5 of 41
Charles Durning's governor might be my favorite supporting character in the entire Coen oeuvre.

WW likes Intolerable Cruelty! I think that makes like 3 of us on the boards. If we can round up a fourth, we should start a club.
post #6 of 41
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WW likes Intolerable Cruelty! I think that makes like 3 of us on the boards. If we can round up a fourth, we should start a club.
I'll be your Huckleberry.

Really like the film, Heinz, the Baron Krauss von Espy makes it almost a classic.
post #7 of 41
Another Clooney moment that makes me break into a smile just thinking about it... Clooney singing on stage in the finale and giving a little wink to Holly Hunter as he gives he fake beard a quick tug-tug. Holly Hunter can't help but be utterly charmed by it.
post #8 of 41
*raises hand as someone who also liked Intolerable Cruelty*

Poor Wheezy Pete.

Also, I don't think Tim Blake Nelson gets enough love in this, at least from what I've heard from other people. They're too busy going nuts about Clooney (and for damn good reason), but his happy-go-lucky-to-the-point-of-stupidity act in this is great. It still kills me when Goodman cleans Everett's clock with the tree branch and Delmar just looks up at him like an innocent puppy right before getting brained himself.
post #9 of 41
Its incredible.

I've re-watched nearly every Coen film in recent months (haven't gotten around to The Ladykillers again yet) and this one really took me by surprise. I always enjoyed it and knew it looked beautiful, but I wrote it off as fluff somewhere in the back of my mind. Its just a great film, flawless in execution if slightly sloppy in structure. I have no problems with anyone adoring it.

Intolerable Cruelty has it's moments, but its ugly where something like Burn After Reading is still cruel but brilliantly charming. Its not a film that the Coens ever intended to direct and it shows - its half-assed, the Baron Klaus von Espy and another great Clooney turn aside.
post #10 of 41
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Delmar/Nelson is incredibly endearing. I gasped along with him when Goodman's oneyed preacherman squished the frog. I was so happy they busted out Pete.

And yay! Can I be the treasurer? IC may not have been a revelation of a film, but was far from a waste of space. I didn't know the Coens didn't intend to direct it but I can see that in retrospect, given it's far outside their 'box.' I think it just reeks of that 'Golden Age of Hollywood' style - see it in black and white and I think it'd be virtually indistinguishable from films of the period. Perhaps the ugliness accounts for its appeal with me.

The DVD I was watching cut out right after the political opponent mentioned Tommy selling his soul to the Devil in front of the crowd to I think when the Soggy-bottomed Boys started playing. What did I miss?

I know this term gets bandied about a lot, but I think Clooney can safely be ranked as a Movie! Star! along Will Smith. He might not have the broader, mass appeal...but I think the man is untouchable even if not every film of his is a blockbuster. Most people like to make the Carey Grant comparison, but I think he's also in the Clark Gable vein as well. Perhaps moreso.
post #11 of 41
Erm... what everyone else has said (minus the IC love, I'll have to rewatch it I suppose). Such an amazing film (that I need on Blu Ray very badly thankyouverymuch!).
post #12 of 41
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Joey! Please please please let me watch this on Bluray if you get it? Pleaaase?
post #13 of 41
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The DVD I was watching cut out right after the political opponent mentioned Tommy selling his soul to the Devil in front of the crowd to I think when the Soggy-bottomed Boys started playing. What did I miss?
Jesus... quite a bit, I'm afraid. Isn't the "roll-top desk" reveal after that?

Go buy a copy as this is surely destined to be one you watch a few more times.
post #14 of 41
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Joey! Please please please let me watch this on Bluray if you get it? Pleaaase?
You'll have to sort that out with the studio as they won't let me have it.
post #15 of 41
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I saw the roll-top desk sequence. It's while they're still in the same building. Itt cuts back in when the governor (mayor?) then laughs the opponent out and they start playing again after being pardoned. I don't think it's that long of a cutout, but I missed the end of his statement.
post #16 of 41
The moment where Clooney wakes up and his first words are, "My hair!" slays me every time. As does Delmar's repeated offers of "Gopher?"

And the audacity of staging a Klan rally like the March of the Winkies is just brilliant.
post #17 of 41
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Maybe it's just me, but the Klan ceremony...though I doubt it's accurate, more reminds me of the festival/ritual scenes you see in a lot of Kurosawa films. Cultural, archaic, with the song turning into more of a chant than a tune.

In case anyone thinks otherwise, I mean cultural as in typical of the time/period/location rather than of anything of actual significant cultural merit.
post #18 of 41
Welcome to the club, WW. Since the nineties, the Coen Bros have been the best working directors in the world. That's not an opinion stated, it's an objective and proven fact. I love that every single one of their movies deals with their favourite mortal sin- greed, and yet they have the most diversified filmography, where even one film doesn't stay in one genre. OBWAT? is a music film (or can we say a musical?), a slapstick comedy, a period piece, and a spoof of the classic epic structure all in one. And whatever canon you put it in, it excels.

btw I didn't mind Intolerable Cruelty. Wouldn't say I really liked it, but it isn't the failure it was made out to be. Other directors take some time off from filming after a winning streak, drop the inexplicable turd or start the slow descent. I still feel that IC and Ladykillers were just made as finger exercises to train their chops while they were loading up their batteries for the next wave. Screwball and Ealing comedies were pet faves of theirs, so it made sense they'd tackle those at one point.
Best proof of this theory: they've never been better than the last three films. WW, I can understand you not really getting into NCFOM the first time around, particulary if the 'Coen mindset' hadn't clicked yet (I personally love it as well). But I urge you to see Burn Before Reading and A Serious Man next. Both goddamn masterpieces.

ETA Damn I write slow. You guys had a whole discussion going during the time I took to type this out.
post #19 of 41
Love this movie! Love everything about it! My avatar used to be a tin of Dapper Dan.

Turturro is perfect, Nelson is hilarious, and Clooney is in top form. It's one of my favorites.

And Stephen Root is hysterical as the blind radio man. Big Dan Teague, Homer Stokes. Great characters. It's got some great quotes. It's on my list of perfect movies. I adore it.

"I don't want FOP, god dammit! I'm a Dapper Dan man!"

"Watcher language, young feller, this here's a public market. Now if you want Dapper Dan, I kin order it for you, have it in a couple weeks."

"Well ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!"
post #20 of 41
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"Well ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!"
I've copped that one for my own personal use, as well as (OBLIGATORY) "My hair!"
post #21 of 41
"Vernon here's got a job. Vernon's got proshpects. He's bona fide. What're you?"

"I was not hit by a train. Damnit, I am the paterfamilias!"

"I'll tell you what I am - I'm the damn paterfamilias! You can't marry him!"

"I am the only daddy you got! I'm the damn paterfamilias!"
"But you ain't bona fide!"
post #22 of 41
It's a completely joyful movie. The Coen's seem to be in love with everything in this movie, the characters, the music, the scenery (not enough love for Deakins), the American south etc. My most watched film by the Brothers.

I am so passionately in love with the Robert Johnson myth that when it shows up here I kinda want the movie to head in THAT direction but - and this says a lot about the Coen's as skillful storytellers - I'm perfectly okay when they follow Ulysses and crew on their pilgrimage back home.

ETA: If you haven't heard the slowed down theory of Robert Johnson, it's worth a listen.
post #23 of 41
Was this film one of the first instances in which digital grading was used heavily?
post #24 of 41
Seems like it. Every time I hear this movie's title, I automatically think "Ah, sepia."
post #25 of 41
I remember watching the special features on the DVD...

"Holy shit, they turned green into brown! And killed CG cows!"
post #26 of 41
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Seems like it. Every time I hear this movie's title, I automatically think "Ah, sepia."
Completely.

This is a movie of pretty simple pleasures. Beautiful cinematography, wonderful acting, wonderful music, punchy script. I'm not sure what the Odyssey motif really adds to the proceedings, but it's neat all the same.
post #27 of 41
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Charles Durning's governor might be my favorite supporting character in the entire Coen oeuvre.

WW likes Intolerable Cruelty! I think that makes like 3 of us on the boards. If we can round up a fourth, we should start a club.
Wait wait wait . . there are people who DON'T like Intolerable Cruelty? Man, maybe as a Coen nerd I'm biased, but that movie rocks. Is it their best? No. Is it in their top 5? No. But a sub-par Coen Bros. flick is literally better than 98% of everything else out there. And Intolerable Cruelty is a lot of fun.
post #28 of 41
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Charles Durning's governor might be my favorite supporting character in the entire Coen oeuvre.
Totally missed this, but god yes. Durning is gold in this. "Weepin' Christ on the cross, if your mother was here now she'd die all over again of shame."
post #29 of 41
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Was this film one of the first instances in which digital grading was used heavily?
Supposedly this was the first film to use digital grading on the entirety of its running time. Not sure if that's true, but it is definitely one of the first instances.

My favorite movie joke of all-time is in this movie. There's a point when Tim Blake Nelson is holding George Clooney on his shoulders, and, I'm telling you, I'd seen the movie 15 times before I heard this, but, I happened to watch it with headphones in on a trip, and, right before Nelson collapses, he says "That's all I've got." I laughed for ten minutes. And my goodness was that one hell of a run-on sentence.
post #30 of 41
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Wait wait wait . . there are people who DON'T like Intolerable Cruelty? Man, maybe as a Coen nerd I'm biased, but that movie rocks. Is it their best? No. Is it in their top 5? No. But a sub-par Coen Bros. flick is literally better than 98% of everything else out there. And Intolerable Cruelty is a lot of fun.

It's clunky and poorly paced but it's fun.

Thing is, when you're dealing with the Coen Brothers, you tend to expect more than "flawed but fun".
post #31 of 41
I'm pretty sure I'm the only human alive who absolutely loves The Ladykillers, though. . .

But, back to O' Brother:

"Sweet Jesus Everett, they turned him into a horny toad."
post #32 of 41
I'll second the sheer quotability of "paterfamilias" and "Dapper Dan man," and the endless rewatchability (and just to be super-obvious, the listenability) of O Brother.

As for IC, I think it's maybe 50% of a brilliant comedy, but much of the blame can be laid on Geoffrey Rush: his performance in the beginning raises the bar so high that not even Clooney can quite get there. Still, 50% is well more than nothing.
post #33 of 41
Oh, and how can we forget Turturro's completely earnest "Awful white of ya to take it like that, Everett"?
post #34 of 41
Oh and I'll add to the dogpile of love for "Damn! We're in a tight spot!"

That never fails to slay me. Especially the final off-camera one.
post #35 of 41
This films like christmas.

It also gave me "dumber than a bag of hammers" as a regular insult in the day to day Rain Dog lexicon.

There's so much to love in this movie - sometimes I think of how less rich my life as a cinephile would be if the Coens weren't around.
post #36 of 41
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Completely.

This is a movie of pretty simple pleasures. Beautiful cinematography, wonderful acting, wonderful music, punchy script. I'm not sure what the Odyssey motif really adds to the proceedings, but it's neat all the same.

Just to comment on the significance of the Odyssey motifs and allusions.
Like Beowulf, the story of the Odyssey is one of those ubiquitous 'protomyths'...Nearly every myth, folktale or legend can be tied to back to a previous version and so I saw the mythological allusions as a way to make the film rise above the period setting into something more timeless. The story becomes less about the particular trappings in the film and more about the idea of the Journey. I'm sure there is someone out there with a formal degree in this sort of thing that could say it definitively, but it's all very "Campbellian."

Take for example, the Robert/Tommy Johnson making a deal with the Devil at the Crossroads. It's a common motif repeated in African culture, in western civilization with Faust and beyond. Even the use of folk music, with the simple themes and at time repetitive nature, is similar in execution to the chants and rituals of religion. Perhaps it's a way to pin an additional spiritual element to the film.

It's why Anton Chigurh is Death Incarnate while wearing black, it's why Leonard Smalls is a harbinger of doom in Raising Arizona (and Cage so endearingly an everyman). There's something about these repeated motifs and symbols that resonate with so many people (And perhaps why so many Big! Blockbusters! seem so standard). Perhaps it's the Collective Consciousness of Jueng.

....If that offers any insight. I'm tempted to start a thread about "Movies and Mythos" because as a student of art history, you see the same sort of themes repeated in the visual arts, sometimes despite the intentions of the artists.
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sometimes I think of how less rich my life as a cinephile would be if the Coens weren't around.
I never thought about it in this context, but shit, you're right.
post #38 of 41
Pretty sure I'm going to massacre this quote, but "We got banned from the Woolworth's. I don't know if it was the whole chain or just the one location" is pure gold.

Such a fun, endlessly rewatchable movie. Did any of you guys see DOWN FROM THE MOUNTAIN, the concert movie of several of the artists from the soundtrack performing at the Ryman? It's worth a watch.
post #39 of 41
Do. Not. Seek. The Treasure.

WE THOUGHT YOU WAS A TOOOOAD......

...DO.NOT.SEEK.THETREASURE.

This classic piece of work can do no wrong. The Coens, in my mind, have never had a misstep, and this is simply their most enjoyable work, which is saying something. And possibly most accessible, as many of my family members love this film, yet wouldn't be typical Coen fans.
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And possibly most accessible, as many of my family members love this film, yet wouldn't be typical Coen fans.
This is a good point. My granddad LOVED this movie. Mostly because of nostalgia, but it was one of the first Coen Bros. movies aside from Raising Arizona that I could watch with him. Kind of a shame that we never got to watch Miller's Crossing or No Country together, because I think he'd have loved those too.
post #41 of 41
I like the movie, but there's a few things that irk me somewhat. Most notably, the repetitive dialogue. Now, the Coen's love doing it and I love when they do (most of the time). Here, though, I find it to be a bit forced and over-used. The whole "r-u-n-n-o-f-t" and "we're in a tight spot" don't sit right with me. I understand they write a particular way and have a particular style, but it reeked of trying too hard. As for the rest of the movie, it's beautifully shot, funny, and the soundtrack is absolutely superb. It sits somewhere in the middle as far as their body of work goes in my eyes.
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