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post #1 of 723
6/24/10 at 8:36pm
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This is the biggest offseason in NBA history. James, Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Pierce, Allen, Nowitzki, Boozer, David Lee, Stoudemire...and I'm sure I missed some.

Free Agent List

Chicago, NY, NJ, Miami, LAC and others all have cap space. Looks like Chicago or NY will get their heart broken with no James. With the Bulls trading Hinrich it looks like Chicago might be in the lead as most NY fans were crushed when this news was announced.

Draft is on now. Can't get too excited because I'm sure half the players will be traded by tomorrow. Kentucky might get 5 first round picks so that's the only interesting story.

July 1st is the big day. Bulls can't make their trade official untill July 8th so if their are holdouts on July 1 it's great news for Bulls.

Interesting trade I heard is if Knicks miss out on James then Arenas may end up in NY.
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post #2 of 723
6/24/10 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
Interesting trade I heard is if Knicks miss out on James then Arenas may end up in NY.
Well, if Knicks' effort of clearing out their cap space over the last few years only landed them Arenas, then the franchise will become even more pathetic than it has already been, maybe even moreso than the Isiah Thomas era.
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post #3 of 723
6/24/10 at 8:57pm
It'll be funny if Chicago clears the cap space but can't sign any of the big guns. (1999, never forget!)
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post #4 of 723
6/24/10 at 9:14pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
It'll be funny if Chicago clears the cap space but can't sign any of the big guns. (1999, never forget!)
That big gun was Tracey McGrady so looking back I'm glad. But it could be 1999 all over again. But I have to believe they wouldn't trade Hinrich without some knowledge that they were getting someone or 2. chances are backroom deals have already been done and all that's left is the wait till July 1.
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post #5 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:00pm
Holding out for a Lakers sign and trade for LeBron.

Seriously, is there news that he's even leaving? I remember his cryptic, cautious speech from LeBron appreciation day... but isn't he just going to stay? Isn't this all just one big game?
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post #6 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:04pm
I have to believe Chicago is a such a desirable destination that they will get somebody. The question becomes if they cant lure one of the top 3 (James, Wade, Bosh) do they pay top dollar for a guy like Boozer or Joe Johnson? I think Bosh would be the best fit since they have been in need of an inside scorer forever, but I don't know if I spend the max on Boozer.
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post #7 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:07pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic View Post
Seriously, is there news that he's even leaving? I remember his cryptic, cautious speech from LeBron appreciation day... but isn't he just going to stay? Isn't this all just one big game?
I think if he wanted to stay he would have signed an extension during the season. Cleveland has a shitty roster and he won't be winning with them anytime soon.

He stays in the East and all he has is Orlando and Miami to deal with. And if he brings Bosh with him I wouldn't worry about Miami because I'm not sold on Amare.


*Boozer and Johnson aren't max guys. But I'm sure the Knicks would overpay.

They need to have the draft in Chicago.
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post #8 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:14pm
He just wants attention... superstars do this kind of shit.
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post #9 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:23pm
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Very true but if LeBron is looking at Wade getting 2 max free agents and he won't get any, why stay? You have no shot at a title for the next 5 years.

I just think Chicago has to be the perfect fit.

I can't keep track of all these trades. NBA drafts are so frustrating this way.
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post #10 of 723
6/24/10 at 10:40pm
Apropos of nothing- did anyone see that Florida tourism commercial? I wasn't exactly paying attention, but it seemed to me it was basically saying, "Come visit Florida because we have so many miles of coastline they can't possibly all be polluted."
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post #11 of 723
6/25/10 at 5:36am
With that trade I smell Chicago is the destination for LeBron and he's smelling MJ fever. It'll piss off Kobe too that LeBron is where his icon use to play and is still the savior of the east.

If Bosh follows and Chicago adds another piece it could get real interesting.

Miami getting Amare and Johnston could shake some things up as well.

Its gonna be an interesting offseason.
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post #12 of 723
6/25/10 at 11:24am
My wildcats get 5 players to go in the first round... but we didn't make the Final Four.

*Weeps*

Cousins will be an All-Pro in 3 years (if he isn't 350 lbs).
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post #13 of 723
6/25/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker View Post
With that trade I smell Chicago is the destination for LeBron and he's smelling MJ fever. It'll piss off Kobe too that LeBron is where his icon use to play and is still the savior of the east.

If Bosh follows and Chicago adds another piece it could get real interesting.

Miami getting Amare and Johnston could shake some things up as well.

Its gonna be an interesting offseason.
I'm not sure Miami will be getting Amare...at least not for the cash he wants. It may (probably) be a negotiating technique, but I've read an article where Riley says that he'd take Bosh and Boozer over Amare any day.

Really, any GM (other than the Suns) that would pay Amare the max are high. The dude averaged 6.9 rebounds per game in the playoffs. That's small forward numbers, not power forward numbers. He's a very good offensive player, but this rebounding and defensive numbers do not make him a max-contract level player.

The only reason the Suns should offer him a max is so he'll stay. They need his offensive skills to win in the west, and there's no other replacement out there that can match his offensive output. Without him, that team cannot compete and should be blown up to start the rebuilding process, which will take years.
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post #14 of 723
6/25/10 at 1:31pm
It's a little early to call LeBron the savior of the east... he's been to the finals once and got swept.

LeBron, Bosh and Rose would be a formidable trio, but the idea that it would guarantee a title seems a bit premature.
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post #15 of 723
6/25/10 at 1:35pm
The Magic drafting a center probably means Gortat's getting dealt.
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post #16 of 723
6/25/10 at 2:54pm
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If you believe the World Wide Wes story then James and Bosh are Bulls.
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To listen to World Wide Wes, LeBron will never look back on Cleveland. “He’s up out of there,” is the way he tells it to people, but LeBron’s Akron crew has to tsk-tsk such public talk because they all live in Northeast Ohio, and maybe always will. “We’re going to Chicago,” William Wesley tells people, “and Chris Bosh(notes) is coming, too.”
That may not guarentee a Championship, but it guarentees Eastern Conf Finals with the #1 seed.
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post #17 of 723
6/25/10 at 4:06pm
I might be wrong about LeBron's ego, but I don't see him going to play every day in a building with somebody else's statue out front, knowing he can NEVER be the best player in franchise history.
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post #18 of 723
6/25/10 at 5:37pm
I don't either.

If I were Chicago I'd go for Wade and Bosh.
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post #19 of 723
6/25/10 at 5:55pm
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Wade is staying. He's recruiting FA's. He blasted the Bulls by saying they weren't a loyal orginization which is bull.

And if Lebron wants to surpass MJ, no better place to do it than Chicago. He could beat MJ's records on his home court.

And while still popular, MJ isn't the god like figure he was when playing. It's been 12 years since he played here and Lebron would be accepted like a king here.
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post #20 of 723
6/25/10 at 6:14pm
Obviously, but he'd be more impressively regarded by taking a team like Cleveland, in his home state, to a couple titles. Bringing a title back to Chicago wouldn't compare... especially since they just saw 6 of the motherfuckers a little over a decade ago.
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post #21 of 723
6/25/10 at 9:06pm
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LeBron has said he won't do a FA tour. Teams will come to meet him. Goes against the ego thing.

Predictions

Chicago-James/Bosh Ray Allen MLE
Miami-Wade/Amare/Boozer
Knicks-Johnson/Lee
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post #22 of 723
6/25/10 at 9:10pm
Oh god if I were a Knicks fan I would just kill myself.

They have to at least get Amare so that they can try to run at Melo next year...

And if you think Allen is going to sign for MLE you're crazy... someone is going to pay him.
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post #23 of 723
6/25/10 at 9:43pm
You got both Amare and Boozer going to Miami? They play the same position. Unless you're thinking one of them plays the three?
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post #24 of 723
6/25/10 at 10:05pm
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I know they play the same position. I figure since Amare isn't much or a defender you could put him at the center position. Boozer could take up the slack. Really aren't that many dominant centers. More dominant PF so Amare would't have to waste energy defending them.
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post #25 of 723
6/26/10 at 5:03am
Cleveland makes sense if LeBron wants to be Karl Malone. Chicago is desperate and hungry for a title. LeBron brings one title and he'll be a legend in that town forever.

Cleveland is such a depressing sports town. I think LeBron has gotten sick of the loosing culture there.

I thought Jamison and Shaq were good moves but I don't think LJ thought much of them. Stoudamire while being a ball hogging nitwit was flashier and more offensively dominant than Jamison and I think that move rankled ol LJ.

Cleveland will give him a ton of cash and he will always contend and be loved there but Chicago promises bigger rewards.

I see LJ as Magic Johnson and Jordan as Elgin Baylor here. There is plenty of room in C town. LJ isn't MJ and isn't going to be compared as much as people think.

With the push Chicago has made with that Hinrich deal and Bosh waiting in the wings along with Rose and another possible free agent Chicago has really laid out the ultimate carrot to Lebron.

Congrats.
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post #26 of 723
6/27/10 at 5:23pm
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Lebron/Bosh lean Chicago
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An NBA executive says the Chicago Bulls have emerged as a favorite in the free agency sweepstakes for LeBron James, along with Chris Bosh, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

The executive said he had gleaned from his discussions with other league executives that James is leaning toward joining the Bulls, along with Bosh, his teammate on the United States' gold medal-winning 2008 Olympic team. The Times reported the executive did not want to be named because he was discussing a player who was not yet a free agent.

"I think it's a done deal," the executive said, according to the report.
And

Knicks to talk to Johnson
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While waiting for their opportunity to sell LeBron James on their team, the New York Knicks will be busy courting other stars that could potentially play with him at Madison Square Garden.

Their first such meeting will be with Joe Johnson, the Atlanta Hawks' All-Star guard, according to league sources.

When the clock strikes midnight ET in New York on July 1, the Knicks will be in Los Angeles meeting with Johnson, who will hold all of his meetings with clubs on the West Coast. After seeing Johnson at 9 p.m. Pacific time, team president Donnie Walsh and coach Mike D'Antoni hope to meet with Amare Stoudemire, also in Los Angeles.
Ouch NY. You may lose to Chicago again.
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post #27 of 723
6/27/10 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
I know they play the same position. I figure since Amare isn't much or a defender you could put him at the center position. Boozer could take up the slack. Really aren't that many dominant centers. More dominant PF so Amare would't have to waste energy defending them.
That's a good analysis. However, a team built like that is intended to win championships. Which means that, more than likely, they'll have to play LA for the trophy, and Stoudemire's inability to play against LA was exposed during the last Western Conference finals. If I were Pat Riley, I wouldn't spend the kind of dough Stoudemire wants just to have a team that wins a lot of games but can't win a trophy.
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post #28 of 723
6/29/10 at 1:30pm
I heard on ESPN radio that Stephen A. Smith predicted LeBron & Bosh will join Wade in Miami in the off-season. Personally, I don't see it happening, but I'm sure the Heat fans are salivating over this possibility.
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post #29 of 723
6/29/10 at 1:51pm
Joe Johnson, what a mistake.... get Amare and then sit on Melo next year when the Nuggets go out unceremoniously once again.
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post #30 of 723
6/29/10 at 1:51pm
That would kill the league. But I'd still rather it than James going to Chicago.
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post #31 of 723
6/29/10 at 2:10pm
Yeah, this league doesn't need to see a widening of the gap between the haves and have-nots. If they really want to kill any and all interest in the NBA this is the way to go. I almost think this'd be the case if Lebron and Bosh go to either Chicago or Miami. A one team East versus what had already become a one team West.
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post #32 of 723
6/29/10 at 2:21pm
I'd rather see LeBron hit up Chicago than anywhere. Only because it would depress and piss off Cavs fans in this god-forsaken sports town.
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post #33 of 723
6/29/10 at 2:33pm
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Originally Posted by James May View Post
Yeah, this league doesn't need to see a widening of the gap between the haves and have-nots. If they really want to kill any and all interest in the NBA this is the way to go. I almost think this'd be the case if Lebron and Bosh go to either Chicago or Miami. A one team East versus what had already become a one team West.
Yeah I really don't know how this is good for the league. To see multiple teams basically stagnating for a period of years in preparation for a free agent "class". I mean in Chicago, we have basically accepted that the team is not being fielded to improve, just to maneuver within the salary cap for the chance to go after LeBron/Wade/Bosh/etc in the summer of 2010.

All day long here on Chicago sports radio, it has been lamenting the sources that say that Wade, LeBron, and Bosh had a secret meeting in Miami this past weekend. That was quite a change from the earlier exultation when Hinrich was moved to free up cap space, and we heard reports that Worldwide Wes said LeBron and Bosh were headed to the Bulls.

Some team or teams that were working towards this free agent summer are going to be left out. I've been a pessimist about the Bulls' chances to land LeBron for awhile. Just trying to imagine, after all the hype, how the city would respond to the scenario that all we get after all this, for example, is a Boozer or Johnson at max salary.
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post #34 of 723
6/29/10 at 2:38pm
As someone who has watched the Hawks pretty intently these past two seasons, I would like to extend my sympathies to the fans of any team who pays Joe Johnson the max and expects him to be the star.

He's definitely one hell of a Robin, but is a shit Batman.
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post #35 of 723
6/29/10 at 2:45pm
I think either Miami or Chicago will hit the jackpot, with another team or two left with lesser FAs. The rest will be left holding the bag with tons of cap space but no FA to show for. I think Knicks will probably not win the Lebron sweepstakes.
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post #36 of 723
6/29/10 at 3:07pm
As an Orlando fan, I'm a little torn. Part of me doesn't like the idea of seeing James, Bosh, and Wade in our division. The other part wants to have the chance to tear them a new one 16 times a year.
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post #37 of 723
6/29/10 at 4:04pm
I really don't think Wade has a long shelf life. Maybe 4 good years. I'd take that into account if I was Lebron.
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post #38 of 723
6/29/10 at 4:21pm
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Originally Posted by Anger Management View Post
I heard on ESPN radio that Stephen A. Smith predicted LeBron & Bosh will join Wade in Miami in the off-season. Personally, I don't see it happening, but I'm sure the Heat fans are salivating over this possibility.
I heard that, then considered the source. Smith wants ink. ESPN didn't even link any of it on their website. While he could end up their I just can't see him joining Wade's team.
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post #39 of 723
6/29/10 at 9:43pm
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Also love how ESPN is reporting that the 3 way summit of Wade/LeBron/Bosh happened in Miami Saturday when Wade was in Chicago. It may happen, probably over phone, but the in person meeting didn't happen as they reported.
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post #40 of 723
6/29/10 at 10:46pm
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Also love how ESPN is reporting that the 3 way summit of Wade/LeBron/Bosh happened in Miami Saturday when Wade was in Chicago. It may happen, probably over phone, but the in person meeting didn't happen as they reported.
ESPN has been worse than the british tabloids this off season.

I hope James signs with the Clippers.
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post #41 of 723
6/29/10 at 10:46pm
You know, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire and the other lower tier "star" free agents are in such a good place. All these teams freed up silly amounts of cap space, and most are going to be left out in the cold with nearly nothing to sell to their fans. The lower tier stars will end up getting max deals just because of how many teams have the salary cap space and have been so public about freeing up space for free agents. Now as long as the Suns don't do something stupid like accept spare parts in a sign and trade for Stoudemire, that would be nice. Hell, let him walk and not get his Larry Bird money. I tend to agree with them that even if they pay him the max they can't do it for 5 years. The risk on those knees is enormous.
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post #42 of 723
6/29/10 at 10:52pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
You know, Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudemire and the other lower tier "star" free agents are in such a good place. All these teams freed up silly amounts of cap space, and most are going to be left out in the cold with nearly nothing to sell to their fans. The lower tier stars will end up getting max deals just because of how many teams have the salary cap space and have been so public about freeing up space for free agents. Now as long as the Suns don't do something stupid like accept spare parts in a sign and trade for Stoudemire, that would be nice. Hell, let him walk and not get his Larry Bird money. I tend to agree with them that even if they pay him the max they can't do it for 5 years. The risk on those knees is enormous.
Yeah, but the rebuilding process will take years after he walks. Of course, maybe that's better. Maybe the Suns should be a lottery team for a few years and get some good draft picks.

Oh well -- who am I kidding. There's no basketball after this season anyway...
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post #43 of 723
6/30/10 at 1:35am
I'm rooting for the Suns to pull a reverse Kurt Thomas and take Beasley from the Heat but force the Heat to cough up a couple of first rounders as well. That level of extortion will only work until LeBron signs, and the Heat will give up WAY too much if they think there's any chance of actually pulling off the rumored trifecta. Even better, if they don't get all 3 then the picks probably wouldn't be too awful.

Ah, who am I kidding? My team doesn't even have a GM, and they don't seem to be in any hurry to bother getting one.
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post #44 of 723
6/30/10 at 1:54am
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There's no basketball after this season anyway...
Like everything else in this crooked ass league, it's by design. All Stern has to do is point to the max contracts that are gonna be handed out to Johnson and Stoudemire and say "see, the system is broken!" Because it is.
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post #45 of 723
6/30/10 at 12:11pm
lol, I think I just heard on Chicago sports radio, an analyst saying the Bulls should set their sights on free agents that are more attainable - like Carlos Boozer and Kyle Korver. Yeah, that's a team I want to watch next year.
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post #46 of 723
6/30/10 at 12:16pm
The Magic are apparently looking at Brad Miller, which, along with their first round draft pick being a center, almost guarantees Gortat is getting traded.
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post #47 of 723
6/30/10 at 12:57pm
Are there rumors of Bosh being traded to Miami, for Beasley, Chalmers, and maybe Anthony? That's what's been mentioned on the radio here, citing Dan Lebatard as the source.
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post #48 of 723
6/30/10 at 11:40pm
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Are there rumors of Bosh being traded to Miami, for Beasley, Chalmers, and maybe Anthony? That's what's been mentioned on the radio here, citing Dan Lebatard as the source.
I heard that too...I think to get Bosh it's going to need to be a sign and trade since he wants the max deal and Toronto wants to do it. It'll be the above sign and trade to Miami or Chicago will trade Deng to Toronto, but I can't see anyone wanting that bloated contract...

My predictions would be:

Lebron and Joe Johnson or Carlos Boozer to Chicago
Bosh and Amare to Miami
Boozer or Johnson to New York (one will go to chicago the other to new york)
Dirk and Pierce stay where they are unless New Jersey can sell them on coming.
My possible shocker would be Dirk going to Miami if Riley can get him away from Cuban.
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post #49 of 723
7/1/10 at 3:00am
I'm mystified the Hawks don't seem to be making a run at Bosh. If the rumors are true, looks like we chose to overpay Joe Johnson instead. Yay!

It would be hilarious if, after all this bullshit, ever single free agent resigned with their original teams.
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post #50 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:44am
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a full boat, 6 year deal is bad for johnson. Last 2-3 years that will be a killer. I don't think he's worth the max.

And after all the moving talk it's now everyone but Bosh is staying.
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