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post #51 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
I'm mystified the Hawks don't seem to be making a run at Bosh. If the rumors are true, looks like we chose to overpay Joe Johnson instead. Yay!

It would be hilarious if, after all this bullshit, ever single free agent resigned with their original teams.
Yeah, I heard that. Sorry Hawks -- you guys got screwed.
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post #52 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:54am
Larry Drew and overpaying to keep a glorified second banana. Kudos to the Hawks' front office for an offseason to remember...
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post #53 of 723
7/1/10 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
a full boat, 6 year deal is bad for johnson. Last 2-3 years that will be a killer. I don't think he's worth the max.

And after all the moving talk it's now everyone but Bosh is staying.
Yeah, with the Cavs hiring Byron Scott as their new HC, it looks more & more likely that LeBron will stay in Cleveland, although I think he will first make sure the team will try to get another superstar to complement him. Perhaps Scott will convince Chris Paul to join him in Cleveland, since he used to coach Paul at New Orleans. It'd be pretty bored if Bosh turns out to be the only one leaving, although I don't see Ray Allen staying in Boston because he'll be getting better offers elsewhere.
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post #54 of 723
7/1/10 at 1:18pm
The Hawks are in a no-win situation. The only premier free agent who would consider them is JJ. So they can sign him for the max and be the 4th seed in the east every year or they can let him go and fight to be the 7th or 8th seed every year. Even without JJ, the Hawks wouldn't necessarily be lottery bound because they do have other talent on that team.
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post #55 of 723
7/1/10 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by Anger Management View Post
Yeah, with the Cavs hiring Byron Scott as their new HC, it looks more & more likely that LeBron will stay in Cleveland, although I think he will first make sure the team will try to get another superstar to complement him. Perhaps Scott will convince Chris Paul to join him in Cleveland, since he used to coach Paul at New Orleans. It'd be pretty bored if Bosh turns out to be the only one leaving, although I don't see Ray Allen staying in Boston because he'll be getting better offers elsewhere.
He wouldn't have to convince Paul since I would believe that Paul would love to play with Lebron and Scott in Cleveland, Cleveland would need to give up enough in a trade to make it worthwhile for NO to give up Paul. Since elite point guards are hard to come by I doubt it.

Scott wasn't able to get it done in New Jersey or New Orleans, so I don't how big an asset he would be to keep Lebron. He seems just like Mike Brown, a guy who can get you some wins, but can't close the deal.

The Hawks deal to Joe Johnson is a joke, but it makes me happy because now Chicago won't overpay him.
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post #56 of 723
7/1/10 at 8:27pm
Phil Jackson is coming back as the head coach of the LA Lakers!
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post #57 of 723
7/1/10 at 8:58pm
Phil wants to match what he did in Chicago...he is going to try for 6 titles for the Lakers and Kobe.

Next year will be the twenty year anniversary of when Jordan won his first title with the bulls against Magic's five titles with the lakers. Could history repeat itself with lebron in chicago going for his first title against kobe's five rings with the lakers...
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post #58 of 723
7/1/10 at 10:12pm
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Originally Posted by Walter View Post
Phil wants to match what he did in Chicago...he is going to try for 6 titles for the Lakers and Kobe.

Next year will be the twenty year anniversary of when Jordan won his first title with the bulls against Magic's five titles with the lakers. Could history repeat itself with lebron in chicago going for his first title against kobe's five rings with the lakers...
Oooo, how intriguing.

If LeBron doesn't get Bosh with him in Chicago I'd be surprised if he even gets to the finals to be honest.
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post #59 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:00pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic View Post
Oooo, how intriguing.

If LeBron doesn't get Bosh with him in Chicago I'd be surprised if he even gets to the finals to be honest.
I would agree, but it's not like any of the teams in the East are powerhouses...Celtics are only getting older and the Magic are soft. It would matter who the Heat gets...
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post #60 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by TheCynic View Post
Oooo, how intriguing.

If LeBron doesn't get Bosh with him in Chicago I'd be surprised if he even gets to the finals to be honest.
The Bulls with LeBron will be better than last year's Cavs, and so will likely have home court, with the Celtics another year older, and the Magic the only other serious threat. They would have to be the favorites in the East, I would think.
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post #61 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:07pm
That's true about the Heat, but unless they got Bosh I would still put the Bulls with LeBron clearly ahead of them.
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post #62 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
That's true about the Heat, but unless they got Bosh I would still put the Bulls with LeBron clearly ahead of them.
If the Heat gets Bosh and Amare and Chicago gets Lebron and Boozer I would have them pretty even. And by far the top teams of the East.
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post #63 of 723
7/1/10 at 11:33pm
I thought Bosh put the kibosh (no pun intended, surprisingly) on the Heat signing him, re-signing Wade, and adding another big ticket free agent? In any case, that's pretty ambitious for both teams. I tend to think the big names will be spread out more.
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post #64 of 723
7/2/10 at 12:06am
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
I thought Bosh put the kibosh (no pun intended, surprisingly) on the Heat signing him, re-signing Wade, and adding another big ticket free agent? In any case, that's pretty ambitious for both teams. I tend to think the big names will be spread out more.
I thought he just meant him, wade and lebron... I do think that if Lebron moves to any team he will be taking someone with him, and then I see Miami getting at least one big free agent. So I do believe most of the free agents will be split by two teams with the odd man out either NY/NJ/Chicago getting just one of the big names, Amare, Bosh, or Boozer. Especially now with Johnson and Gay out of the mix and it looks like Dirk and Pierce staying with their teams.

Now if lebron stays with Cleveland all bets are off and the remaining free agents will spread out. I still think this is what's going to happen.
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post #65 of 723
7/2/10 at 12:20am
Well it was specifically about him, Wade, and LeBron, but given that I assumed what derailed that was a monetary issue, I don't think it's going to go away for another player hoping for a max deal that is less talented than LeBron is. If Bosh was going to take less money for Amare and Wade, wouldn't he for LeBron and Wade?
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post #66 of 723
7/2/10 at 1:13am
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Originally Posted by Bailey View Post
Well it was specifically about him, Wade, and LeBron, but given that I assumed what derailed that was a monetary issue, I don't think it's going to go away for another player hoping for a max deal that is less talented than LeBron is. If Bosh was going to take less money for Amare and Wade, wouldn't he for LeBron and Wade?
Good point but I'm not sure if Boozer and Amare are max guys, but maybe the way teams are throwing around money....I didn't think Joe Johnson was a max player either so what do I know...
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post #67 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:56am
Maybe I have the blinders on, but is there any chance some of these guys take a less-than-blockbuster contract to go to a contender? I mean sure, I can get a max deal with the Knicks and probably have to play 48 minutes a game because the rest of the roster will be league minimum guys, or I can take a little less and go to a team that actually has a shot at making a run.
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post #68 of 723
7/2/10 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Maybe I have the blinders on, but is there any chance some of these guys take a less-than-blockbuster contract to go to a contender? I mean sure, I can get a max deal with the Knicks and probably have to play 48 minutes a game because the rest of the roster will be league minimum guys, or I can take a little less and go to a team that actually has a shot at making a run.
It's hard to find one superstar willing to take less if he's not past his prime and desperately chasing rings. Even if the Bulls or Heat could find one willing to given the right circumstances, that player is not going to take less while two guys playing alongside him get max deals at the same time. One guy wouldn't take the hit all by himself. So the teams seem to be in the position of signing two stars for max deals or three that are all willing to take less money. That's a tall order. Especially when someone like Wade can get even more money due to the Larry Bird rule, so any deal he accepts under the max allowed would be an even bigger hit than the guys switching teams.
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post #69 of 723
7/2/10 at 11:58am
There also is the ego factor. Most people wrote off LeBron going to Miami because that would mean in the basketball world that LeBron needed Wade to win a title.
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post #70 of 723
7/2/10 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by Walter View Post
Good point but I'm not sure if Boozer and Amare are max guys, but maybe the way teams are throwing around money....I didn't think Joe Johnson was a max player either so what do I know...
I think alot of the mid-range players like Joe Johnson will get max contract, because there are way too many teams having huge cap space, and they will have nothing to show for once LeBron/Wade/Bosh have chose their teams. So those teams will end up fighting for players like Boozer and Amare and overpay them with a max contract. Hawks will be hampered for years thanks to this JJ deal and they will be stuck as the 5-6 seed (or lower) without the capability to improve imo.
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post #71 of 723
7/2/10 at 3:31pm
Looks like Amare is heading to New York and the Suns pick up a guy name Hakim Warrick. What's the deal with this guy? Can any Bulls fans give me the inside scoop?
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post #72 of 723
7/2/10 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by Devildoubt View Post
Looks like Amare is heading to New York and the Suns pick up a guy name Hakim Warrick. What's the deal with this guy? Can any Bulls fans give me the inside scoop?

Only the man responsible for one of the most beautiful blocked shots in NCAA history!
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post #73 of 723
7/2/10 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Maybe I have the blinders on, but is there any chance some of these guys take a less-than-blockbuster contract to go to a contender? I mean sure, I can get a max deal with the Knicks and probably have to play 48 minutes a game because the rest of the roster will be league minimum guys, or I can take a little less and go to a team that actually has a shot at making a run.
The gathering storm of labor unrest/a new collective bargaining agreement will most likely prevent this. The elite are gonna shoot the moon now.

Any predictions on whether Carmelo Anthony moves?
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post #74 of 723
7/2/10 at 7:31pm
I can't be mad about the Amare thing, although NY is no sure thing right now. The Suns wanted to give him 3 guaranteed years with the final 2 years dependent on his being healthy enough to actually play. With his eyes and his knees I can see where they're coming from. I don't for a minute think that will keep another team from maxing him out and possibly crippling themselves 3 years down the road though.
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post #75 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
The gathering storm of labor unrest/a new collective bargaining agreement will most likely prevent this. The elite are gonna shoot the moon now.

Any predictions on whether Carmelo Anthony moves?
I think he might go to New York either in a trade or as a free agent next year. He has lots of ties in that area because of going to Syracuse and loves New York, so it would be an easy sell.
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post #76 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:06pm
Wade has scheduled a second meeting with the Bulls...could the new big three be Rose, Bosh, and Wade in Chicago.

Maybe Wade is reading the writing on the wall...Amare to New York, Johnson/Gay/Pierce/Dirk staying with their teams, and possibly Lebron staying in Cleveland. Would he want to stay in Miami with just Bosh after Riley gutted their team, or take Bosh and go play with Rose and Noah in his home town.

I still think Wade and Lebron wouldn't end up on the same team, but a few articles are saying that Chicago is actually pressing for Lebron and Wade in Chicago instead of Bosh.
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post #77 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:27pm
People look at me strange when I say it, but I think Wade would be a bigger catch to pry away than James.
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post #78 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:47pm
If LeBron went to Chicago I would be begrudgingly ecstatic, if such a thing is possible. If Wade came to the Bulls I would simply be ecstatic. If Bosh came too.... that would be something. But I would be happy with Wade-Rose-Noah as a foundation for the next five years.
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post #79 of 723
7/2/10 at 8:48pm
I actually agree completely, and I'm hoping that Chicago gets Wade and Bosh and Lebron stays with Cleveland. A backcourt of Rose and Wade would be deadly.

Just coming across on the ESPN website is that Wade is leaning towards Bull commitment. Who knows how close this is to happening since ESPN has become TMZ during this whole offseason, but I don't think you schedule a second meeting if you are not close to making a deal. It sounds like the Bulls want a commitment from Wade, so they can go into their Lebron meeting with this knowledge.

This would be a major twist if Chicago can pull it off since everyone thought there wasn't a chance that Wade would leave Miami.
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post #80 of 723
7/2/10 at 9:01pm
I always felt like he would leave barring a big acquisition by the front office.
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post #81 of 723
7/2/10 at 9:34pm
It's been confirmed that both Wade and Bosh are meeting with the Bulls right now. Lebron didn't want to go to Miami, so maybe Wade is trying to steal his spot in Chicago.
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post #82 of 723
7/2/10 at 11:54pm
Thread Starter 
Now there ar reports Deng could be traded to Portland to free up more cap space. If they get rid of Deng and get 2 of the 3 I'll freak.
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post #83 of 723
7/3/10 at 1:00am
There's actually rumors that if the Bulls can move Deng and Taj Gibson they could sign all three. I don't think that will happen, but think of that lineup...Rose, Wade, Lebron, Bosh, and Noah.
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post #84 of 723
7/3/10 at 1:12am
You're makin' me dizzy. Please stop.
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post #85 of 723
7/3/10 at 1:19am
I guess it would be Jerry Reinsdorf's Hell that he had to pay them. Truthfully, not sure if that franchise deserves for their plans to come together after how the two Jerrys unceremoniously broke up the last dynasty.
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post #86 of 723
7/3/10 at 2:50am
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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis View Post
Truthfully, not sure if that franchise deserves for their plans to come together after how the two Jerrys unceremoniously broke up the last dynasty.
MJ wanted out. Jerry would have kept paying the 30 mil to Jordan for him to stay. After that there was no point keeping the band together.

And Jordan was the one who badmouthed the Bulls when the last FA hunt happened anf the Bulll got shut out.
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post #87 of 723
7/3/10 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
MJ wanted out. Jerry would have kept paying the 30 mil to Jordan for him to stay. After that there was no point keeping the band together.

And Jordan was the one who badmouthed the Bulls when the last FA hunt happened anf the Bulll got shut out.
Also Phil Jackson and Krause had big issues with each other, and by that time it was either Krause or Jackson. There was no way Jordan would've stayed without Jackson. Reinsdorf should've gotten rid of Krause and kept Jackson.

Reinsdorf gets a lot of bad press, but he has been loyal to his players. Restructuring Pippen's horrible long term contract when he didn't need to and honoring Jay Williams' contract after his motorcycle accident. Also white sox players only have good things to say about him.

The last FA hunt for the Bulls should have settle any karma debt. They were expecting to get either Duncan, Hill, or Mcgrady, and they ended up overpaying Ron Mercer.
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post #88 of 723
7/3/10 at 5:20pm
Thread Starter 
Bosh-Raptors deal losing luster
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Wherever Chris Bosh heads next, he'll likely have to do so on his own -- and at a slightly discounted rate.


The Toronto Raptors have become increasingly disenchanted with the idea of helping Bosh obtain a maximum contract via a sign-and-trade deal, according to a league source.
This can only help the Bulls.
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post #89 of 723
7/5/10 at 11:37am
There's a mad campaign in chicago for lebron, a PR firm sent him a pair of Jordan 1's and the inscription on the box said "You are a king, but can you fill these shoes", 7 empty ring boxes and "can you fill these boxes" and an add in LBJ's hometown Akron Journal.

Check out the push on Ball don't Lie: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,253378
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post #90 of 723
7/5/10 at 8:19pm
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Amare/Knicks agree on deal
Can't/won't play defense, microfractures on knees, and a 5 year 100 million dollar guarenteed deal. Go Knicks. Can't wait untill Thursday when they don't get anyone else.

Need Wednesday to come.
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post #91 of 723
7/5/10 at 8:50pm
I couldn't believe it when I heard one of the local talking heads pushing for the Magic to get Stoudamire. Ahead of Boozer even.
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post #92 of 723
7/5/10 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
Amare/Knicks agree on deal
Can't/won't play defense, microfractures on knees, and a 5 year 100 million dollar guarenteed deal. Go Knicks. Can't wait untill Thursday when they don't get anyone else.

Need Wednesday to come.
Yeah, that was a really stupid move on the Knicks part. Amar'e is not the answer for any team. I only wanted the Suns to keep him so they'd be competitive in the West.

Amar'e a good player, but not a 100 million player, and especially not on a team that has no other pieces. Were it not for the lock-out, I'd give it a year before they look to trade him.
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post #93 of 723
7/6/10 at 12:19am
OH HAI KNICKS REMEMBER HOW DAVID LEE IS BETTER THAN AMARE AND WOULD BE CHEAPER? Didn't think so. Hopefully the next step is Gilbert Arenas for the Knicks.
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post #94 of 723
7/6/10 at 4:58am
Yeah Amare is a good offensive player but the knees and defense and a guaranteed 100 mil from the Knicks. Holy mother putrid you guys are fucking clueless in the big apple.

Hope Warrick and Frye workout for the Suns just so the Knicks get laughed at in a few years.

Amare will play solid for a few years (2) and D'Antoni knows how to use him in an offense. It could have been worse I think Boozer would be terrible for the Knicks but Amare with his old coach will work in the short term.
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post #95 of 723
7/6/10 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker View Post
Amare will play solid for a few years (2) and D'Antoni knows how to use him in an offense. It could have been worse I think Boozer would be terrible for the Knicks but Amare with his old coach will work in the short term.
The Knicks don't have Steve Nash. How many of Amare's points came from Nash feeding him for an easy jam? A lot. Now you have Chris Duhon. I know the Knicks had to do something and, really, whoever doesn't land Wade or Lebron are going to end up losers in this free agent scenario. Guys like Joe Johnson and Amare and Boozer are going to get max or near max deals when they are not front line franchise players. You can't win a championship with these guys as your highest paid players. But there is more cap space than quality players these days and a bunch of Robins are getting paid like they are Batman.

I think Lebron will stay in Cleveland. Bosh will follow Wade to Miami. And Chicago will be left with scrambling for a guy like Carlos Boozer, who would be a good fit but you're gonna overpay for him.
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post #96 of 723
7/6/10 at 11:54am
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Originally Posted by bob loblaw View Post
The Knicks don't have Steve Nash. How many of Amare's points came from Nash feeding him for an easy jam? A lot.
To be fair, Amare has worked on his offensive game to the point that when the offense flows through him he doesn't need those easy points (not that they're a bad thing). The down side to that is when a team focuses on clogging the middle against him and he turns fairly clueless (see the Lakers in the playoffs). If the Knicks don't get anybody else, then all teams have to do is work on stopping him each night and it won't be long before he starts sulking.
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post #97 of 723
7/6/10 at 12:03pm
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Originally Posted by A-Pathetic View Post
To be fair, Amare has worked on his offensive game to the point that when the offense flows through him he doesn't need those easy points (not that they're a bad thing). The down side to that is when a team focuses on clogging the middle against him and he turns fairly clueless (see the Lakers in the playoffs). If the Knicks don't get anybody else, then all teams have to do is work on stopping him each night and it won't be long before he starts sulking.
The Suns had the premier point guard in the league and a number of capable shooters around him. The Knicks have...none of that. I know Amare is a skilled offensive player, but I don't think opposing teams went into games last season saying "we have to shut down Amare." Now he has to be the man. And the degree of difficulty just went way up without Nash, J. Rich, Hill, etc.

Basically the Knicks just slightly upgraded what was already their best position from last year (Amare for David Lee) and paid max money to do it.
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post #98 of 723
7/6/10 at 12:05pm
Chris Duhon's agent says he's agreed to a four-year $15 million contract with the Orlando Magic. With Jason Williams and Anthony Johnson likely not coming back, we only had one PG on the roster, so this isn't a bad depth move. When Duhon had decent people around him in Chicago, he wasn't bad.
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post #99 of 723
7/6/10 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Chris Duhon's agent says he's agreed to a four-year $15 million contract with the Orlando Magic. With Jason Williams and Anthony Johnson likely not coming back, we only had one PG on the roster, so this isn't a bad depth move. When Duhon had decent people around him in Chicago, he wasn't bad.
So I guess the Knicks don't even have Duhon anymore. Tell me Dickson, are the Magic going to lose Redick?
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post #100 of 723
7/6/10 at 12:35pm
Everything I'm hearing is that he's the one guy they're trying the hardest to keep.
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