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post #1 of 86
6/26/10 at 8:40pm
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I have been watching this movie again for the first time since I saw it theatres on HBO

1. Talk about way too many characters. Gambit, Blob, Zero, Stryker, Silverfox, Young Cyclops, Deadpool, and others.

2. Why does Will.I.AM sound like Robert Downey Jr. in Tropic Thunder?

3. Why didn't Fox make just make a seperate Deadpool (or Gambit) movie? Ryan Reynolds' cameo in the beginning was the best part of the movie.
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post #2 of 86
6/27/10 at 1:30pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R0QK...eature=channel
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post #3 of 86
6/27/10 at 9:45pm
I saw this on HBO a couple weeks ago. It's so, so, so terrible. Not a single moment of joy to be had.
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post #4 of 86
6/27/10 at 10:11pm
Yeah sometimes I stop and watch parts of it on HBO just to admire how shoddy it is in every area (story, direction, acting, effects, sound, etc). It's just a disaster in every way.

Hopefully they learned something from this and the sequel will be halfway decent.
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post #5 of 86
6/27/10 at 11:17pm
This film makes The Last Stand look better.. And that's saying something.
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post #6 of 86
6/28/10 at 3:12am
It never tops its opening credits, which were genuinely one the few good things about the movie. I also really liked Kevin Durand as Blob.
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post #7 of 86
6/28/10 at 8:59am
You mean Kevin Drand as Ted Levine as The Blob.
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post #8 of 86
6/28/10 at 9:25am
So many wasted opportunities with this movie, I can't even begin to count. Stupid on so many fundamental levels and you can see that it was thrown together for the worst reasons, with no cohesive plan of execution whatsoever.

It really pisses me off, too, because they had most of the right ingredients at their disposal.

On a positive note, aside from 'Deadpool' having way too many idiotic powers, the last fight scene isn't that bad. Scott Adkins' choreography almost saves it sometimes.
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post #9 of 86
6/28/10 at 9:39am
They cast Ryan Reynolds as a witty loudmouth character... and then sow his mouth shut.

Says it all I reckon.
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post #10 of 86
6/28/10 at 9:54am
Yeah, it was a trainwreck on every level. The opening credits should have been the movie. X2 already told Wolverine's origin story. A good example of the public fooled by great marketing.
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post #11 of 86
6/28/10 at 11:25am
X-Men Origins Wolverine is...X-Cellent, X-Men, X-Travaganza, featuring the...X-traordinary talent of Hugh Jackman as Logan. I saw this for the...5th time the other day, and it just...X-Ceeded, my already high...X-Pectations.
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post #12 of 86
6/28/10 at 11:50am
It says it all when the videogame based on the movie is 100 times better than the actual movie. That surely has to be some kind of precedent.
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post #13 of 86
6/28/10 at 11:57am
I was over my parents house and saw chunks of this on HBO. People paid to see this!? Nevermind paying, people actually sat through it!?
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post #14 of 86
6/28/10 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by The Rain Dog View Post
They cast Ryan Reynolds as a witty loudmouth character... and then sow his mouth shut.

Says it all I reckon.
Damn straight!

I always come across as a whiny geek when I moan about Wolverine, but I was so utterly flabbergasted at it's ineptness I literally got angry.

Even as a standalone film it's pretty awful, but as the continuation of a franchise it's a disaster. It utterly throws any continuity out of the window. Cyclops is 15 in 1979, so how old is he supposed to be "in the not too distant future"?

Where was this relationship between Logan and Victor in the original films?

It writes itself into corners time and again. It makes me a sad panda
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post #15 of 86
6/28/10 at 12:16pm
Wolverine was so not Wolverine in this movie that he couldn't even smell his own wife's blood at her death (after he already cut her with his claws earlier in the movie).

Plus, I didn't know Cyclops had heat vision.
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post #16 of 86
6/28/10 at 12:27pm
I didn't like the XMOW game at all. I am biased, as I would love to play...Konami's X-Men again. A...2D X-Men game is some thing I would buy...Stat!
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post #17 of 86
6/29/10 at 6:03pm
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I hated the inclusion of Gambit into the movie. It served no purpose, especially since you had Creed and Wade Phillips in the movie.
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post #18 of 86
6/29/10 at 6:08pm
Rourkefan, Wade Wilson is...Deadpool. Gambit, was one of the most requested...X-Men, not yet in a film adaption. I would love to see...Psylocke appear, in a future...Wolverine Film, maybe even...Wolverine 2, when Logan goes to Japan, a place...The Bad News Bears, once visited.
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post #19 of 86
6/30/10 at 2:08am
This movie is so god-awful I managed to forget about it the second I left the theater. Only reason i sat through it was because my buddy was really into it. Walking out he talked about how much he loved it and I had to fight every urge not to go on a movie geek tirade. Sometimes its best to just keep certain things to youself. Needless to say, I have not seen a movie with him since then. This movie ruins friendships.
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post #20 of 86
6/30/10 at 2:41am
I love how Wolverine doesn't even really notice that Will.I.Am or whatever had his goddamn spine ripped out, and just moves on to the next retard with the new retard he's retarded retarded.
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post #21 of 86
6/30/10 at 2:50am
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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants View Post
Cyclops is 15 in 1979, so how old is he supposed to be "in the not too distant future"?
What confused me was what time period does this film take place in? Do the X-Men films take place in are distant future? or was Wolverine kind of like a "period piece" I imaged it taking place in the 1970's, yet there is current technology through out the film.
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post #22 of 86
6/30/10 at 3:56am
The Three Mile Island melt down happened in 1979. There is just attempt made to make it look it takes place in any time other than now. There's nothing to indicate it's the seventies, (except the effects! Amiright?)

Gah you've opened a gate boys! Why does the experiment look nothing like Logan's flashbacks in X2? Where are the Haz Suits and the markings on Logan's skin? In fact the room looks nothing the one from X2. What the fuck happened when this film was made?
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post #23 of 86
6/30/10 at 3:59am
fuck this movie right in the ass.
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post #24 of 86
6/30/10 at 4:05am
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Gah you've opened a gate boys! Why does the experiment look nothing like Logan's flashbacks in X2? Where are the Haz Suits and the markings on Logan's skin? In fact the room looks nothing the one from X2. What the fuck happened when this film was made?
Because the writers / director didn't give a shit about continuity. They figured it was going to make a gazillion bucks anyway so why make the effort? And they were right.

Also, X2 never gave the impression that Wolverine chose to have the procedure. Rather it was forced upon him. ugh, this fucking movie.
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post #25 of 86
6/30/10 at 5:13am
Has anyone read Weapon X? Logan is kidnapped and subjected to numerous experiments and mental tests. His mind is broken down and he becomes an animal. And he is absolutely terrifying. I'm honestly not someone who thinks violence makes things better. I wasn't expecting Hugh Jackman to be tearing defenseless interns limb from limb, but certainly a sense of danger wouldn't have gone amiss. Logan seems friendlier in this than he did in The Last Stand.

The novelisation intercuts the time in the lab with memories/flashbacks of Logan's time in Korea and even throws in some really intertesting twists regarding his memories ie: they may not be 100%

I cannot believe that from that source material we got XMO Wolverine.
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post #26 of 86
6/30/10 at 9:17am
I just want to throw out something that's always bothered me about the whole WOLVERINE taking place in the 70's thing. The fact that it takes place in the 70's is fucking stupid because it's explictly stated in the first X-MEN that the film takes place in the "Not Too Distant Future". That could mean 2003, 2010, 2020, etc., however, because no one (including the filmmakers) is paying attention, it's assumed that the film takes place in the year it was released.
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post #27 of 86
6/30/10 at 9:27am
It would have been more intresting if the film did take place in the 70's or 80's. Of course that won't make the film any better, just more intresting. Which it lacks in spades.
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post #28 of 86
6/30/10 at 10:38am
According to Xavier in the first X-Men movie, it'd been fifteen years since Logan lost his memory. So, at the earliest, Wolverine should take place in 1985.

But really, who gives a fuck? Let me get this movie a spoon so it can eat my ass.

Oh, and X-Men 2 does make it explicit that Logan chose to be apart of the program. Stryker says so at the end. Unreliable? Maybe. He also implies that Logan was a ruthless man, but Wolverine makes it clear that he's not.

So fuck this movie. It had two things going for it, the chemistry between Jackman and Schrieber (homoerotic? I hope so) and Ryan Reynolds.
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post #29 of 86
6/30/10 at 10:56am
Yeah, Schreiber was predictably great. They should give him a standalone Victor Creed movie, just like he should get his own John Clark movie.

I mean, does he HAVE to become the Sabretooth of the original X-men movie? These movies are made so far apart by different people I don't know why anybody expects continuity.
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post #30 of 86
6/30/10 at 11:04am
Continuity with the Singer films is the the least of Wolverine's crimes against cinema.
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post #31 of 86
6/30/10 at 11:05am
I'm pretty sure the guys behind Wolverine merely watched a trailer for X2 and built their continuity around that. I love that the only little moment they try and tie in with the other three films - Wolverine acquiring his jacket - is rendered pointless by having him leave it on Gambit's plane.

And the only real benefit of adding Gambit was to show that the people writing the film don't know what the world gambit means and chalk it up to "being good at cards."

Just a mess of a movie. Plus, they kept the stupid bone claws which is one of dumbest aspects ever added to Wolverine. You take away something from the character when he's born already weaponized. Having the government give him those claws unwillingly, forcing him to be a weapon, is much more interesting.
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post #32 of 86
6/30/10 at 11:21am
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It had two things going for it, the chemistry between Jackman and Schrieber (homoerotic? I hope so) and Ryan Reynolds.
Three: Kevin Durand IS The Bloooooob.
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post #33 of 86
6/30/10 at 12:33pm
I think the biggest anachronism this turd has are the flat screens that Stryker punches his fatalities into.

Speaking of Stryker, Danny Huston is terrible in this. He goes in and out of a southern accent and instead just goes for a Gene Hackman impersonation.
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post #34 of 86
6/30/10 at 12:43pm
Scott, Danny Huston is properly...EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEvil as Col. Stryker! He is a perfect nemesis for...Wolverine.
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post #35 of 86
6/30/10 at 12:54pm
Huston was bad, but he did get stuck with some of the worst dialogue. And since the movie is full of horrible dialogue, that's saying something.

His brain may heal....
BUT HIS MEMORIES WON'T GROW BACK.
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post #36 of 86
6/30/10 at 1:59pm
This may take the cake: "We're gonna make you indestructible. But first, we're gonna have to DESTROY YOU."

The whole origin to Wolverine's name is hilariously bad, too. I shudder to think of all the high-functioners in the audience that thought they were seeing this great romance during that scene.
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post #37 of 86
6/30/10 at 2:02pm
My favourite(most detested) Huston line:

Stryker: blah blah blah Weapon X
General: =X?
Stryker: Roman numerals. It means ten.

For fucks sake.

And regarding Gambit, apart from Taylor Kitch not lifting a finger to research the character, it was the most useless fan service there will ever be. They've written him out of any X-Men sequels unless he is 60+ in them. Why not have a member of the team help him? Make it Bolt, he could fly a plane with his mind. Make it a character that has already been established. Hell make it Wade, that daft after credit scenes retconned Weapon XI as being something else anyway.

Rourkefan, I thought I had gotten over this...
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post #38 of 86
7/1/10 at 8:53pm
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No the best (worst) Huston Line

General: Were going to shut you down!

Stryker: I understand but I took an oath the protect this country from enemys both Foreign (STABS HIM TO DEATH) and DOMESTIC!
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post #39 of 86
7/1/10 at 8:59pm
It's horrible that this movie made me reevaluate the love I've had for Wolverine as a character since I was a little kid. In truth, the movie is deadly accurate to the comic. It's like a magnifying glass of everything Chris Claremont and Larry Hama's ever written.
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post #40 of 86
7/2/10 at 8:58am
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Make it a character that has already been established. Hell make it Wade, that daft after credit scenes retconned Weapon XI as being something else anyway.

I thought it just showed Wade's severed head shushing itself.
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post #41 of 86
7/2/10 at 9:38am
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I thought it just showed Wade's severed head shushing itself.
I'm positive I read somewhere that the spin-off would involve Wade finding out about the experiment and finding the head. That sequence was a last minute addition to set that up.

Of course I can't find the article so I look like a crazy guy now. Sorry.
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post #42 of 86
7/2/10 at 10:17am
Thinking about how bad Wolverine was makes me physically angry. After I first saw it my response resembled Charlton Heston at the end of Planet of the Apes "You Manaics, You Blew It Up. Damn You All To Hell!"
I think XMOW may have killed the Wolverine franchise. Wolverine 2 is supposed to start filming in January, I'll believe it when I see it.
Is The New X Reboot going to have Wolverine? That would be a mess.
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post #43 of 86
7/2/10 at 12:22pm
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Thinking about how bad Wolverine was makes me physically angry. After I first saw it my response resembled Charlton Heston at the end of Planet of the Apes "You Manaics, You Blew It Up. Damn You All To Hell!"
I think XMOW may have killed the Wolverine franchise. Wolverine 2 is supposed to start filming in January, I'll believe it when I see it.
Is The New X Reboot going to have Wolverine? That would be a mess.

I'm convinced they will try and shoe horn Jackman into it somewhere.
Having said that, watching the prequel in development a certain amount of care seems to be being taken. Vaughn is one of us and I think Kick-Ass gave him enough leverage to take control.

Twice bitten, thrice shy though...
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post #44 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:25pm
Say it again in HD on cable last week...god, its so awful.
And the "Logan volunteers" also ruins that shoot in X2 of a bloody Logan screaming after escaping ina quick flashback, which makes clear Singer and his team had other intentions.
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post #45 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:28pm
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I'm positive I read somewhere that the spin-off would involve Wade finding out about the experiment and finding the head. That sequence was a last minute addition to set that up.

Of course I can't find the article so I look like a crazy guy now. Sorry.
I swear that in a just world, the teaser for "Deapool" would be just Reynolds in costume sitting in a theater, watching parts of "Wolverine" and ripping on it MST3K style.
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post #46 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:32pm
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Say it again in HD on cable last week...god, its so awful.
And the "Logan volunteers" also ruins that shoot in X2 of a bloody Logan screaming after escaping ina quick flashback, which makes clear Singer and his team had other intentions.
William Stryker: If you knew the kind of person you used to be, the work we did together... People don't change, Wolverine. You were an animal then and you're an animal now. I just gave you claws.

Seems to imply that Wolverine volunteered. I thought the blood and the screaming was him driven insane (like in the comics) by the bonding process.
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post #47 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:41pm
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William Stryker: If you knew the kind of person you used to be, the work we did together... People don't change, Wolverine. You were an animal then and you're an animal now. I just gave you claws.

Seems to imply that Wolverine volunteered. I thought the blood and the screaming was him driven insane (like in the comics) by the bonding process.
I thought that refered to Wolverine being a black ops agent for Weapon X along Victor, Maverick and the rets of Team X like in the comics, then being betrayed by Striker years later and used as guinea pig for the adamantium bonding process.
X2 make sit clear that once Wolverine was experimented on, he went berzerk and rogue on Weapon X.

Also, any movie that denius this is BS in my book:

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post #48 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:45pm
I vaguely remember reading that the filmmakers liked some of the story elements and dialogue Raven Software had in the videogame tie-in and borrowed them for the movie. Is this the only instance where the videogame tie-in outclasses the movie? Maybe THE LAST AIRBENDER game is pretty good.
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post #49 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:48pm
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I vaguely remember reading that the filmmakers liked some of the story elements and dialogue Raven Software had in the videogame tie-in and borrowed them for the movie. Is this the only instance where the videogame tie-in outclasses the movie? Maybe THE LAST AIRBENDER game is pretty good.
Had the movie adapted the games plot (cutting the fat from the flashbacks and future stuff), and kep its R rating, it would had been glorious.
The fight against the Sentinel prototype would had been expensive as hell, though.
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post #50 of 86
7/2/10 at 2:49pm
Either way Wolverine invalidates X2 because Wolverine is not a ruthless man in the past. He stops Victor from raping up a village in Vietnam, then refuses to kill innocent bystanders in whereverthefucktheywere, allowing Wade and Victor to go to town.

The whole "maybe I'm just a killer" thing makes no sense in Wolverine because he turns out to be a nice guy with a guilty conscience. The whole point in the comics, and the first few X-Men films, is that losing his memory gave him a second chance (ala Jason Bourne).
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