JMS and Jim Lee give Wonder Woman pants - Page 2

This piece of fan art pretty much nails how I'd improve that costume.

EDIT: Although I'd probably add a Xena-style skirt rather than the star-spangled panties.

Richard Dickson, The fan art is much better, than the new atrocious Jim Lee WW costume. There is no reason to change Wonder Woman's classic costume.

I wish I could muster any sort of emotional response to this, but I can't.

It's just going to be more of JMS trying to emulate comic runs from 1968-1973. It worked for Thor, but the brief tastes of his treatment for Wonder Woman and Superman feels flat.

In terms of the costume changes, it just feels like cross-media pandering to get interest up in the film. Aren't they still after that MMA chick to step up to the Amazonian plate?

I liked the costume from the Heinberg run (Cocoa Sugarbaker posted it earlier). It's a nice legacy throwback, but it worked. This is just Jim Lee trying to make something out of company demands.

As goes Wonder Woman, so goes Wonderella!

That's better than most Wonder Woman comics. Depressing.

By the end of JMS' run Hades will make her forget she ever married those pants!

It looks like she's ready to join a gang of street tough's. I think Andrew's right that DC just don't know how to use the character beyong just her sex appeal, Greg Rucka gave it a damn good shot but I think they need to make her fun, kinda like what Marvel did with She-Hulk when Dan Slott was writing it, it was goofy, fun and interesting.

She-Hulk was fun before Slott. It's just that he's the first writer that gave a damn about her in a decade.

Wonder Woman is just such an odd character because of all the bullshit that has been constructed around her. Perez and Rucka tackled the classical world version of her, but they failed to capture the Diana Prince angle. Jimenez got both, but never really excelled at one or the other.

Then, there was John Byrne. Yeah, that's all I'm going to say about that.

Going back to the previous bit about Heinberg's run. It was a fan writer trying to recreate the book's 70s aesthetic in the modern era. Digging out First Issue Special variations of Herucles while playing against the Agent Diana Prince look didn't offer anything new.

If you say women would make the difference. Well, look at Gail Simone and Trina Robbins' time with the character. They were average. Nothing of any real weight or importance on the character. Things happened and the beat was carried month to month.

There's no easy answers and no way to actively define a stronge female in the DC universe. Hell, the only one that DC has come close to perfecting is Barbara Gordon.

I'd add Black Canary and StarGirl from JSA to that list (also Catwoman got a quite some spotlight and well amde development the last year)Johns did a great job on both, specially Canary as a leader of the team.
Also, Power Girl and her newest series has really made the character fun and endearing beyond her sex appeal.
Also, Manhunter, dammit.

I had this entire spiel that must've gotten eaten by Uncle Mitch, but I'm referring to Legacy characters.

Characters that have had roughly 20 years or more of development into what they are now.


Power Girl and Catwoman only started getting refocused Post 2000. Before that, you either had the traditional Catwoman or the Jim Balent Catwoman. You can bring up Miller's Selina Kyle, but he only had the Year One arc with her.

Canary's development goes a little further outside of the 2000 comfort zone due to Simone's work on Birds of Prey. Hell, you can even see the roots of her work with Dixon's start.

Andreyko only had a short amount of time with the recent flip to Manhunter. Stargirl hasn't had a chance to become a legacy character yet. Hopefully, Johns will continue to push ahead with her. She stands as the best shot to further push female development in the DCU. Well, Natasha Irons does as well. But, she's never been a totally 100% forefront character.

I remember a worthwhile Black Canary standalone sometime in the mid-90s (They kept the costume). And outside of the comics themselves, Catwoman got some nice development on the animated Batman series.

Do we consider Harley Quinn a 'strong' character? Or a 'legacy'? She is going on 20 years, counting other media...

The case could be made for Harley Quinn or Renee Montoya. I think Montoya is a stronger DC female character than Wonder Woman.


Yet, no one really gives media attention to a lesbian detective of color.