The Robert Sanchez Story - Page 2

What a total fucking twat. Hit whoring over a terrible family tragedy, what a classy guy. People had said to me the lid was being kept tight on this, because the whole truth wasn't out there and that it wasn't right as it was an active investigation. Why did he feel the need to tell everyone and then run an update about his family home?

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His fucking excuses on twitter are so disturbing, does this man not have any idea? Christ.

Prick.

And so we took it upon ourselves to...

So I can't help but feel like I'd really, really like Jeff Sneider & Hunter Walker to get beaten with a tire iron tonight. It's not like George Clooney did this and there's just BOUND to be a media circus surrounding the whole thing.

It's a fucking guy who ran a geek website. Do you REALLY need to put forth the effort (and this DOES take effort, it's not something that's just going to draw a whole shitload of interest all by itself) to make it into this big of a deal?

And what the fuck is wrong with simply reporting the story WITHOUT pestering the goddamn family at their fucking home about it? Jesus that pisses me off. Report on it if you have to (and you fucking shouldn't, for the child's sake at least), but find another way to go about it.

This has taken a very, very ugly turn of events. This is why people who knew, didn't tell anyone who would do this. Anything relating to this should have stayed indoors until a proper arrest and charge was made at the very least. Because then it would have been reported by the news, but with the names and details covered to protect privacy.

Now everyone can see their fucking house. What an awful person.

It's times like this I kinda hate the world the internet hath wrought.

Jesus Christ.

A fucking adolescent girl gets drugged and raped by a trusted family member, a father figure even, and people have to turn it into an excuse for political discourse.

Fucking pathetic.


This is a personal tragedy (and I for one think it's a damned shame the story even broke on the internet [for the victim's sake] - but if it helps catch the perp so he suffers greatly then I guess it's all good) and has nothing to do with the assailant's political views, race, religious beliefs (unless a member of some crazy-ass cult), socioeconomic status, geographical affiliation, etc. It's just a sick fuck who did some sick fucking fucking, and as karma is a bitch, he will get what's fucking coming to him.

But all that is of little concern to me - I just pray to God that the girl can one day get over the double whammy of the abuse and record of it being publicly posted and lead a long, happy, healthy fruitful life.

There seems to be more outrage in this thread over Internet comments than the original creep who did this.

I'm kind of bothered by this actually.

I've seen it on this board time and time again. I honestly wonder how much the reaction and outrage to the commentary has to do with posters personal connection to the story. Outside of basic human empathy (and someone can correct me if I'm wrong) we're not really connected to this. Shitty, horrible things happen to people every second of the day in this world. Sometimes, on this board and others, people make shitty jokes or use it as an excuse to get pithy and the reaction to those comments is entirely different.

It's always weird to see how cases like this bring out the bloodlust in people.

I just object to the mentality of "it's okay to break out the lulz in another instance but I'm gonna act all indignant and offended in this case because it actually means something to me".

I have zero issues with people being offended and objecting to a shitty joke made at the expense of a tragedy or using the nature of that tragedy to benefit for themselves. If it resonates with you on any level (be it personal, emotional, etc) by all means go ahead and be pissed. Condemn the fuck out of that guy or gal. Just don't act shocked and self-righteous at the behavior of others when you've engaged (and helped create the atmosphere for that behavior) in it yourself*


*and that's not directed at you Devin nor is it confined just to Chud. It's a commentary on people in general.

I'm a bit confused. By "people who knew", please tell me you don't mean people who knew but didn't say anything to the police. Or do you just mean everyone should have just let the police do their work?

Pestering the family and printing a picture of the house is shameful, but it's the kind of thing that happens every single day on the nightly local news (sadly). I don't know why people are surprised.

Yeah, leaving this to the news would have kept their privacy for maybe a week or two longer. You still would have seen pictures of the house.

Devin's reaction is understandable; he knew the victim and the perp, so this is personal.

Anyone else getting overly worked up over internet comments seems to be going for the self-righteous "I'm more empathetic than you" cheap shot.

As opposed to the guys jumping to the defence of said internet comments. Strikes me that, self-righteousness aside, some folks could hold their tongues and be the bigger men, save the point-scoring for another time and/or forum. Especially given the distressed tone of the original post. It's like, maybe now is not the best time to parse the boards for cases of hypocrisy relating to the recent rape of a fouteen year-old girl.

EDIT: It's also maybe worth noting that, as a cynical collection of nerds, we as a community often go for the classic defence-mechanism gallows humour in situations such as these, and oftentimes that stops short of funny and just ends up being crass. We're all guilty of it, I'd wager, and yeah, maybe we're lesser folk for it. But to me, if your initial primary reaction to such a news story is to use it to score points in a movie messageboard pissing contest, that's a whole 'nuther level of psychological ugly.

I meant by people who knew that he was missing and there was a police investigation. The police should have been able to get on with it. Now this article is out there, treating it as an exclusive and trying to contact the family directly is awful, awful shit. Sometimes that can happen on local news, but normally they at least contact the police to make sure it is okay to do so.

In this case, the guy is taking it up, comparing himself to a detective, when all he's out for is hits. Its ghoulish. And I don't think all this talk of self righteous is fair at all, people here are connected to it. Just because you're not, doesn't mean you can act like a tool. Its just respectful.

And yes, I'm upset by the way this has gotten out, because it shouldn't have. Its an ongoing police investigation, now its got out, it could jeopardise things significantly, if for example, he took his own life.

Rob was quite apparently acting in the worst fucking possible way a human can, but that doesn't mean anyone else acting with spurious morality shouldn't be called up for it. Doesn't make the guy who wrote the article worse, but it still makes him look like a cunt.

A child's (one people here have met and know) life has been ruined, this shouldnt be about who's right or wrong. If you feel you want to carry on with that, find a thread about star wars or something.

I don't mean to seem like I'm defending this guy, but you don't really believe this, do you? Skeevy local news stations will stop at nothing for the "exclusive" in order to get ratings, and it seems like this guy just did it first.
It's just a disgusting situation all around. I hope justice is served.

You're probably right, but then I'm the guy who thought 9/11 jokes were funny on 9/12. I really don't know how else strangers far away from a tragedy are supposed to deal with things like this, other than just keeping quiet for however many weeks propriety demands (fat chance of that happening on the internet).

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone but your post made me want to bring this point up, as an example:

The main concern with making tasteless jokes is this... You wouldn't be making 9/11 jokes in a room with the family member or friend of a victim of 9/11. Just like you wouldn't approach one of these people to call them on some shit from the past. It's just not the time.

From post 1 Devin said he knew the family and it had affected him badly, so people making jokes or trying to start a fight is just tacky and this is why it's causing such a reaction from everyone else. It's just not the time.

Very well said; I think that gets to the heart of the matter.

No, I'd never make comments like that in person, at least not near anyone sensitive to the topic at hand. For many of us, the internet is the one place where all social considerations go out the window in favor of pure, unfiltered opinion, and it's hard to break out of that mode when a tragedy hits closer to home.

Simple solution, don't have an internet message board thread discussing the story. We aren't in front of their house or at a vigil, it's an internet message board.

Simpler solution, why don't you stay out of threads like this if you can't be civil and stay on topic? It's a privately owned message board, not a free country.

'Skeevy local news' is one thing. Some prick with a desire to be some kind of Internet celeb journalist/Detective is another. Its not his place to report anything about it, especially as it has nothing to do with what his site covers. Its just some cunt trying to see his name in as many links as possible.

And to Jcassady: A message board still doesn't mean you have to be insensitive. Maybe on other sites its okay, but I'd have expected better from people here.

I have to admit, those few posts in the Twitter thread yesterday piqued the interest of the gossip in me, even though I didn't know any of the parties involved. Now that the real story is out, I feel kind of slimy for having such a prurient interest in it at all.

This. I'd be throwing just as much bile at "skeevy local media" as well. This guy's even worse because it's not his fucking job to be a dirtbag, he just really, really wants to get in the middle of it like the most bottom-barrel gossip hound.

These sort of tasteless cretins always come out in time of tragedy, and they ALWAYS parade it around in the guise of "I'm just trying to help." The worst (and this guy feels like he fits the bill) even halfway believe that, I think. But underneath they're just gossip whores of the worst order.

Well, there's a natural compulsion to want to know more about things like this. That's only human.

But there's a not-so-fine line in there between natural gossipy stuff and being an evil little asshole. And that line is roughly in the area of driving to the families house and creeping around like some kind of sleaze. Oh, and posting photos of the house.

Yeah, I'm staying the hell out of this, but I'll take Jacob's post here as an opportunity to apologize for cracking wise about this in the Twitter thread before any of us knew what all the whispering was about.

I keep coming back to that line from Sports Night, about "why this scandal feels different...because it's happening to us." Even though we're talking about dozens of websites, the upper tier of the online film community is a small one, and I think a lot of people who read CHUD were also familiar with IESB, etc. So this is more personal than most.

Also, there's a big difference between what local newscasters do and what The Wrap did. The Wrap guy deliberately broke a story that didn't need to be broken, that was being kept "under wraps" for a reason and he did it for no other reason than to get hits. That's pretty scummy.

How have I not it been civil? Point to one joke I've made in this thread about the family.

Yeah. Given that the reactions played out publicly it's possibly a good thing that it was brought out in the open so the vague rumours and gossipy intrigue wouldn't carry on building, but now the whole sad business is out there it's probably better left alone to play out as privately as possible.

Yeah, to those who didn't know before, its fine. People joking AFTER the fact is just...dark. This guy from the wrap is such a prick, the problem is (and this is for another thread altogether) that in the world of twitter etc, people seem to need to know everything almost immediately.

Thats not anyones fault, curiosity is human nature, but there will always be scum to try and bleed something selfish out of it. Its just disturbing that The Wrap article was so keen to do it, so fast, knowing that of course everyone who was wanting to know on twitter was going to go to the article and help him get hits. Its not a fucking twilight headline, its a family broken.

And whats worse, hes being a cunt about it. Hes just trotting out that horrible 'for the people' shit, like he's in ALL THE PRESIDENTS MEN. Its so parasitic. Its not like he has any actual facts either, its just cobbled together from second hand sources. He admits himself, that he didn't know what was going on at the start. This thing has been going on for weeks and nobody knew. I'm sure someone quite innocently confided in him what had happened and he went about to exploit it and reveal it.

Thankfully this hasn't hit any big press, probably because they understand this isn't the time to comment on it. Thats probably the only good thing about all of this, it hasn't spread everywhere. Its stayed mostly, in this small community.

I'm glad this is public. It needs to be public. Every time this happens it needs to be public. Sweeping shit like this under the rug gives people the belief they can get away with it.

I'm speaking in general, and I don't just mean jokes, I mean the point scoring against Devin and others over the Polanski story. Dragging up that old debate is not appropriate here.

I didn't even make the Polanski reference. Just said it was a logical thought.

Sweeping it under the rug is dangerous, but having the news reported by the worst kind of hack-fuck is terrible. This should have been through proper channels not someone on twitter who works for a shitty website desperate for recognition. The crime is so incredibly awful that everyone should be thinking to protect the girl involved. But I don't think anyone would ever disagree with that.

Any website that isn't a legit news source is EXACTLY where this shit pops up. I don't care. I don't want to cover it. It's gross. It's horrible. But the fact is, someone in our community allegedly is a really bad person and people ought to know. There are always victims and we all hope we or someone we care about doesn't ever have to be one, but it's shit like this that helps shape us. Maybe someone on these boards is at a crossroads and needs a wake-up call as to the ramifications and ultimate results of shit like this.

And to imply that people aren't thinking about the girl is involved, we are human beings. It's inherent that we think of that.

Don't turn this into a crusade for the girl. If people don't immediately know the horror of that they're beyond saving, but the title of this thread is The Robert Sanchez Story.

And a lot of this reeks of the "think of the children" shit we all make fun of.

This. These fucks need the silence to operate.

Video Evidence:
There's all kind of issues with that piece of evil even existing (if it actually does) and now having to be passed through so many hands during the legal process (if the scumbag hasn't done the family a favor and offed himself).

But these days it seems like UNLESS you have utter, irrefutable proof of an act like this, these worms will wriggle as much as possible and cause the victim and family even more trauma in court. As it is, the fuck will likely claim diminished responsibility etc anyway - at least he can't DENY it.

Really really terrible evil stuff, but it does need to be spoken about/exposed to sunlight, as Nick says.

Hope the IESB staff who resigned are able to find new digs elsewhere. Amazing to see people act on their moral compass and GTFO of there. Bravo.

For my part, it's not that I think the entire story needs to be suppressed or anything. There's a lot of truth to what Nick is saying.

I just don't think going to THEIR house and knocking on their fucking door is doing anyone any favors right now.

Talk to acquaintances or whatever if you must, but stay the fuck off their property.

Yeah, I apologise if I'm coming across that way. But you're right about them needing to be outed. Personally I think not yet. Jokes are still way out of line though.

"Not yet?" then when? Nick makes a lot of good points.


I think we can all agree that knocking on the door is terrible.

It's the way that little shit-ass writes about it too that gives his whole MO away. It's not just "they couldn't be reached for comment."

He has to go and give his little details like "oh, and a miniature pinscher was yapping in the window." Fucking degenerate slime-ball.

If this crap comes to surface and the family really does start going through some shit, maybe there can be some sort of fundraiser attached to something at comic con. That really sucks.

I don't think, with the eyes of the mainstream media on them for a week, Comic Con is going to hold a fundraiser for the abused daughter of the guy who, until recently, held their most exclusive party. It's a nice sentiment, but an unrealistic one.

God yes. How many young women have to be molested, raped, and utterly dehumanized before people wake up? A young girl being drugged and raped is not something to joke about. Anyone being raped is not something to joke about. Years from now when you've forgotten this story, she and countless others will still be dealing with the emotional trauma from this. How dare anyone make light of this.

Any updates on this? Have they found Sanchez?

Hope the girl gets whatever help she needs.

This guy was producing I, Frankenstein with the Rotten One. I wonder what will happen to that now.

...all I know is he's done what most logical, innocent and smart people would do in this situation. Yup, he's started a Blog...

Sounds like he might have a point.

If he really does have lawyers, I'm betting they'll be shitting brickHOUSES after they read this.

He sounds like Matt Damon in THE INFORMANT.