Because Mel Gibson Wasn't Popular Enough - Page 3

So Mel is Team Edward, then?

I think that's a bit generous. Martin Scorsese is a fantastic filmmaker. Mel Gibson is good at best.

http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010...as-soviet.html

Opening weekend has nothing to do with reviews. Ever. Look at the opening weekend. 17 million dollars. Now, were people really excited about seeing Mel again? I was still a fan of the guy and optimistic...until yesterday, but come on... There is no argument here.

I had hope. You had hope. That's a different story.

People will still watch Polanski movies and they'll still check out Chuck Sheen's show and I would bet a million pesos if Gibson said all the same shit but excised "pack of n***ers" folks would still watch his movies.

Ass-rape a kid? Sure. Beat the hell from your ladies? No prob. Use the word "n***er"? You're done.

I'm not playing devil's advocate here. It's totally repellent for me as well. It's just amazing how powerful that word still is.

This little gem must be shared.

Thanks, Jake.

Somehow...

The Lethal Weapon quartet just took on a whole new dark POV. You have to guess now exactly how much acting really went on during that series to disguise Mel's true hatred for Mr. Glover's race and all races that are not white male australians. How much was it REALLY? The whole interaction between them was completely staged from the looks of it. The hiatuses between the films (especially the six years between the making of 3 and 4) now make even more sense. Everyone was done with LW by #3 likely due to the recently surfacing true nature of Mel Gibson. Makes more sense now that Mr. Glover has said many times that the series was a series for its time and to leave it alone. Glover took the high road and left it.

Or maybe that's just my conspiracy theory. But, either way, Fuck Mel Gibson. He's a completely racist drunk piece of shit who just needs to go back where he came from and never return.

And for the record, darkraven28 is a black male so FUCK YOU MEL GIBSON!

I'd love to know how that woman dresses in order for Gibson to think a pack of ninjas would want to rape her.

Oh wait.

I think I heard it wrong.

Oh no, I think a Lethal Weapon 5 NOW is the best time to do one than ever before. Think of the possibilities.




P.S. Glover had a cameo in Maverick with Gibson

You do realize that because he hurled a racial term at someone who he was in the middle of an obviously heated argument with doesnt mean he has a hatred of all races yada yada yada.

And for the record, The Closer is a black male so bring on your next movie Mel Gibson. You are endlessly watchable.*


*Except for Edge of Darkness, which sucked donkey shit.

Alright, fantastic may be a tad overboard. Maybe above average would be generous enough?

I love Braveheart and Apocalytpo, but thats just me.

Just out of curiosity, what would indicate it exactly? Writing a manifesto?

Unless he suffers from an undocumented form of Tourettes that forces him to spout racial slurs exclusively, instead of blurting general obscenities, then yeah... that's exactly what it means.

I'm not sure if the level of denial on display here or the concept that there are black Republicans who are neither rich, nor on the RNC's payroll, nor elected officials is more troubling.

I'll never really get black or gay Republicans. Even if, for some weird reason, I had some sort of weird affinity for bad ideas, I wouldn't stick around people who constantly demonize the particular group I belong to. I don't understand how one is tempted to do that. I don't even stick around organizations that demonize groups I don't belong to. And it's really, really clear that the GOP hates black people at this point.

Exactly. That one word is the career killer. As screwed as it sounds, he probably would have been cut more slack if he had punched her in the face. The careers of Charlie Sheen and (allegedly) Josh Brolin are going fine.

It really amazes me how people think this way. As someone who grew up with all kinds of people (father was a diplomat, spent a lot of time overseas growing up), I've never ever "in an obviously heated argument" referred to people of a different race by a slur. It just doesn't cross my mind, and I've had my share of heated arguments. I may have said a lot of things I regret, cursed, insulted, and all that but denigrating an entire race was never something that popped into my head. To me, if you're a disagreeable person, that has NOTHING to do with your race. I've just known too many people that shatter any stereotypes of their particular group to resort to such ignorance.

The people who try to pass it off as "oh, just some unfortunate statement in the heat of the moment" are nothing more than defenders of the indefensible. If you don't have a racist heart, no heat of the moment is going to make you go there. Period.

Obviously people are imperfect. Prone to say things they don't mean. Things they regret. But this kind of thing, especially when it has nothing to do with the argument they were having, is a window into the man's soul. ESPECIALLY coupled with his past statements. You don't just randomly say stuff like that without having it be a deeply embedded part of your psyche.

You can make excuses, wave it off as not that important and all the rest of it but IMO people like Mel are the antithesis of where mankind should be going. The sad part is, there are millions waiting to defend him or not caring one way or the other. Saying "what's the big deal"? The denigrating of human beings based on their color or sex should always be a "big deal" and making excuses while not completely condemning such behavior is the mindstate of the kinds of people that are an impediment to human progress.

I might almost buy this if he had hurled the racial term at her. But he didn't. The racial term was in regards to a not-present and non-existent "pack" of people. Who would rape her.

Now if he had hurled a Russian slur at her in the heat of the argument. Maybe. Maybe.

Closer, are you from New York? Racial epithets are more freely flowing in the TriState area, and sometimes with weirdly un-racist contexts, believe it or not. I get what he's saying, although I think Mel's a pretty old school racist - ie, he likes some individual blacks just fine but thinks the race as a whole is a problem.

Not from per se, but spent some time there growing up and a few years after college.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least if Melvin is a full blown racist, but I personally think there's a difference between something like this and the Michael Richards incident ("Hey look, there's a nigger!").

I'm not gay or a Republican so I'm not sure Im smelling what you're cooking. What does the GOP have to do with this?

I agree with you to an extent. I just think it's possible to use racial slurs...especially in an argument with someone you despise as much as Mel apparently despises this hot Russian chick...while not neccesarily harboring any actual racist feeling.

Then again, others here have brought up the idea that perhaps that would only apply if he was facing off against a black man, so maybe I'm off base. Wouldn't be the first time.

Then why use them?

Because the most important thing in the world to you at that moment is to piss someone off royally and you can't think of another way to do it?

Even if the insulted party is not even present?

The problem is that in the heat of the moment the worst thing in his mind that he could think of was BLACK MEN raping her...

This is the point where I should probably apologize for causing this derail.

Anyhoo...

I should probably circle back and reiterate what I said above that I wouldnt be surprised in the least if Mel is indeed a hater of all things non-white & Catholic, but my original point in response to darkraven was that the use of a term doesnt...in my mind, at least...automatically qualify someone as an all out racist. That may be due to me being rather mellow when it comes to this subject, no doubt due to being raised by parents that were also mellow when it came to this subject. Perhaps thats also why I wasn't offended in the least when John Mayer said he had a "nigger pass." I obviously understand the social significance of the term, but usage of the term especially in this day and age doesn't lead me personally to believe that you think less of all black people.

Apologies but that's really the best I could explain it.

If you think black people travel by 'pack', like animals (for the purposes of rape, apparently), then yes, you clearly clearly think less of them as people. This seems as black and white to me (no pun intended) as can be.

Would you say you've experienced very much racism first hand throughout your life Closer?

I'm not sure how you would quantify the amount of racism one has experienced, but if by "very much" you mean "above average" then no, admittedly probably not. Why?

Not trying to lead anywhere in particular, just looking for a context to help inform your take on this idea is all - being on the other side of the world leaves me looking at the issue of race and identity in modern American culture in a fascinated way.

The majority of my time has been spent either in Los Angeles, New York, Hawaii, and Seattle...oddly enough, I would say I experienced more racism in Hawaii than any of the other aforementioned areas. My experiences in Los Angeles and Chicago (where I live currently) have revolved more around profiling if you want to make a distinction between that and racism. The limited amount of time I've spent in the south (the Carolinas, Virginia, etc) has been nothing but pleasant.

Switzerland pretty much trumps all of the above (again, in my limited experience) which sucks because it's probably near the top of the list of places I would like to relocate to eventually.

No doubt Mel has issues with black people, but he also probably said it to hurt her. People of Eastern European descent generally despise african-americans. Being raped by black men probably IS the foremost unwarranted fear in her head.

What if that was one of her fears she shared with him in private? It was obviously meant to be hurtful.

Rationally speaking, he could have been throwing her words back in her face, happens all the time in heated fights.

That being said, loved the gif link on the previous page.

ETA alex beat me to the punch.

True. He's obviously hurt by "something" she did. And they're only quoting him so we have no idea what is going on. At this point, I'd be more worried of him burning down her house than if he's a racist.

I find it amusing and somewhat disturbing that people are now trying to pour logic on his ramblings. "Hey, honey, remember that one time you told me your greatest fear was being raped by a pack of niggers? Well guess what..."

Of course he said it just to hurt her, that doesn't change the fact that it was likely something he pulled out of his ass based on a belief system that swirls around in his fucked up head.

I get what you guys are trying to say. It's always interesting to try to figure out a different angle. Closer, I understand your logic there too. I almost posed the same exact logic as devil's advocate earlier.

It's just too much of a leap. We can all get creative and figure out a way Riggs isn't a racist. Lets not ignore facts though:

We know the man was fathered by a hardcore racist. In 2006 he himself revealed he is an anti-Semite during a DUI stop at Moonshadows and now he's come up with the most terrible thing in the world to say to his girlfriend because he's angry. That terrible thing? Well, her being raped is pretty bad... her being gang raped is even worse but still, it's not that bad if they're white...HUZZAH! PACK OF N**GERS! That's as bad as it can get!

Let's not pretend we have any reason to think this guy is not your most typical of racists. The kind that only reveals it when his guard is down.

You defend and make conservative/Republican arguments in the politics forum all the time. Hence, I assumed you were Republican.

Precisely. Honestly, trying to make logic of, or shrugging your shoulders at this is more disturbing to me than what Mel actually said.

And I say this as someone who is VERY wary of the "race card" because I think when it's used in situations that are unwarranted, it helps to actually bring down the cause of LEGITIMATE racial issues (the politician who used the word "niggardly" and the ensuing uproar comes to mind). There should be a point where all decent minded people completely condemn certain things. Some things should just be over the line. Period. No excuses. No trying to find "logic". No tolerating it.

Like a lot of racists, he has to deal with black people here and there, and he'll be polite and refrain from referring to us as"packs of n#$#$" while around us however he views us (and other races) as inferior. He'll even yuk it up with Danny Glover and Chris Rock, maybe even keeping them around as a sort of symbol of his benevolence in putting up with some mud people.

But hey, Paris Hilton was caught on tape throwing the n word around and the whole incident was basically ignored in the press, save for a few stories about it here and there. Charlie Sheen used it as an insult to his wife and there were little to no ramifications for it.

I'd like to think it's more a case of our society being apathetic in general, than people actually harboring those feelings deep down and thus shrugging their shoulders when celebrities are caught saying these types of things. I'm not naive enough to not realize that there are still many, many many full on racists out there. It's the "decent" folk who make excuses, sweep stuff under the rug, etc. that bother me the most.

I see your point. I would also say its a bit of a leap to suggest that this is something from her past that Mel's just throwing back at her. I dont know too many women who honestly go through the day fearing theyll be gang raped by a bunch of black folk.

I would say I make "conservative" arguments when it comes to finance, but I'm part of the Wall Street machine that eats peoples babies after stealing their life's savings so it kind of comes with the territory. In reality I've voted for a grand total of one republican in a local or national election in my life...the remainder have been split between dems and third party. But the forum itself is almost unanimously left...and they are an intelligent and vocal bunch too...so I can see how I kinda stick out due to being a few paces right from them on a lot of issues.

Damn shame. I always loved Gibson's acting work. Too bad he couldn't hide what a fucking sociopath he is so I could see him on the big screen again.

Does this make me an asshole? I want Cruise and Gibson (nowhere comparable in behavior mind you) to have good careers again. I care about whats on screen when it comes to my movies. I hate Clooney when it comes to politics and how fucking smarmy he can comes across at times but I love a good Clooney performance, for instance.

Did you see and enjoy The Ghost Writer?

I heard its good. I...uh...have never actually seen a Polanski film and don't actually give a damn about what he did. It has no bearing on what I watch (or in Polanski's case...not).

My namesake weighs in...

Video HERE

Mike Epps and friends outline what Mel can do to make things right, namely "a lifetime of good deeds to the communities that he's hurt". I'm guessing signed Bird on a Wire movie posters ain't gonna cut it...

http://www.tmz.com/2010/07/01/mike-e...candal-racist/

I remember when we saw Lethal Weapon 4 at the cinema, we laughed at the jokes but there was definite unease at the number and frequency of the racially slanted ones, they were definitely overdoing it.

The last time I watched LW4 I was violently ill, I haven't watched it since.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...5875-22379861/

... she still fucked him though didn't she? Triflin' bitch.