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post #151 of 181

Disc 1 is by far the better half.

 

If the album was only 8 tracks consisting of the first disc plus Confusion and Spit Out the Bone it would have been epic.  The problem is the album is about 3 tracks too long because of the song lengths.

post #152 of 181

Current mastering could have fit the whole thing on a single disc anyway. The "double album" thing is pure hubris. 

post #153 of 181

I agree that it's too long, and that it had the potential to be one of their better albums if it was condensed into a single disc.  I'm still not crazy about the guitar tone and hot mastering, I much prefer this:

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_XwcpvLEVA

post #154 of 181
All respect Kevin, but what makes AJFA unique is that it is...unique. Mis-produced. Massively unfair. Unmistakable. Nothing by a functional trusting band should ever sound like Justice again.
post #155 of 181

Well, the same youtube channel has released videos with that particular song with RTL and MOP style production, and I would certainly agree that those albums are sonically superior to AJFA…. but I'll take Justice's production over the last three Metallica albums without hesitation.  Listening to Spit out the Bone with this retro production technique honestly made me appreciate the song quite a bit more, I don't view it as a gimmick or novelty. I felt the same about their videos for Atlas, Rise! and Hardwired.   I don't like HTSD's guitar tone and think the songs have more punch to them on this random guy's youtube page, which speaks volumes about the state of modern metal production/mastering. 

 

Your comment is interesting though, because Metallica have all the resources in the world, they can work with any producer and spend as much time in the studio as they please, and I don't feel they've released a decent sounding record since Garage Inc.  Not only that, they've released three albums (Justice,St.Anger and DM) where the production was so badly bungled and the material so badly marred that they are known more for their sonic deficiencies than anything else. 

 

I will admit to appreciating Justice, warts and all, probably more than most. It's a flawed masterpiece and I don't find the lack of bass and overall sterile production as irritating as I find overuse of compression/brickwall limiting and weirdly toothless guitar tones. 

post #156 of 181

People want AJFA style production now? The circle is complete...

 

Honestly as long as I live I'll never understand the amount of investment there is in the minutia of the production on Metallica records.

 

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Originally Posted by Lightning Slim View Post
 

Current mastering could have fit the whole thing on a single disc anyway. The "double album" thing is pure hubris. 

 

It's shorter than Load! And only a tiny bit longer than everything else they've done in between.

post #157 of 181
This album is nowhere near as fucked by loudness mastering as Death Magnetic. That one is actively hazardous to the crappy old speakers in my car.
post #158 of 181

Well, Hardwired (the cd version) clocks in at a DR 5, Death Magnetic registered as a DR 3, so yes, this is an improvement, but it's still very much a loudness war-casualty.  The mastered for iTunes version is slightly more dynamic. 

post #159 of 181
I can attest that the vinyl sounds a bit better and seems to not be as loud as the CD or the digital versions.

It's a bit disappointing considering Avenger Sevenfold just released the best mastered metal album in years a few weeks prior. They started using Bob Ludwig with their last album and they clearly instructed him that they do not want to be a part of the current trend of the way metal has been mastered.
post #160 of 181
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I can attest that the vinyl sounds a bit better and seems to not be as loud as the CD or the digital versions.

It's a bit disappointing considering Avenger Sevenfold just released the best mastered metal album in years a few weeks prior. They started using Bob Ludwig with their last album and they clearly instructed him that they do not want to be a part of the current trend of the way metal has been mastered.

 

Absolutely, Hail to the King in 2013 was quite dynamic, and this most recent release even more so.  It's refreshing to see such a popular band go against the grain like this, and the record sounds fantastic.  While I wouldn't call the release of Death Magnetic a tipping point, it at least made more people aware of the so called "loudness war", which can only help.  Earache's bandcamp site has a number of "Full Dynamic Range" editions of popular albums available for download, I'm hoping this is a trend that continues. 

post #161 of 181
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Originally Posted by Kevin Macken View Post
 

 

Absolutely, Hail to the King in 2013 was quite dynamic, and this most recent release even more so.  It's refreshing to see such a popular band go against the grain like this, and the record sounds fantastic.  While I wouldn't call the release of Death Magnetic a tipping point, it at least made more people aware of the so called "loudness war", which can only help.  Earache's bandcamp site has a number of "Full Dynamic Range" editions of popular albums available for download, I'm hoping this is a trend that continues. 

 

I thought that ground zero for the loudness war was Rush's 'Vapor Trails', an album so poorly mixed on its original release that they re-released it a few years ago with a much, much better mix.

post #162 of 181

Oh yeah absolutely, Vapor Trails was mixed terribly.  I think that was around 2000ish or so.  Maybe a little later.

 

I remember buying Nevermore's Enemies of Reality and the mixing was so bad that Century Media actually gave you a remastered version of the album that Andy Sneap did for free if you could prove you owned the original version of it.  The original album is almost unlistenable and I was never that picky when I was 22.

 

It is interesting however that after the criticism of Death Magnetic's mastering nothing really changed. I remember the first time I listened to Death Magnetic as I drove away from the store I thought "holy shit this is loud". It wasn't until Hail to the King came out and when first listened to it in my car I literally had to turn my stereo up to 9 in order to get the album to play loudly.  I had been so used to having my stereo set at 3 or so for so long.  

 

Another recent metal album that is really dynamic is Trivium's Silence in the Snow.

 

Here's an interview Metal Fi did with Bob Ludwig about A7X's The Stage: http://www.metal-fi.com/interview-bob-ludwig-gateway-mastering-studios/


Edited by catartik - 12/16/16 at 9:37am
post #163 of 181
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Originally Posted by Judas Booth View Post
 

 

I thought that ground zero for the loudness war was Rush's 'Vapor Trails', an album so poorly mixed on its original release that they re-released it a few years ago with a much, much better mi

 

 

That works too, and good for Rush for releasing a remix.  Unfortunately there are many examples to choose from.  "Californication" is another one that caused even non-audiophiles to immediately recognize something was off. 


Edited by Kevin Macken - 12/20/16 at 8:04am
post #164 of 181
Did anyone manage to get tickets for the tour in their area?

Even as a paid Metclub member with access to the presale at 9am all of the tickets available were sold out at 9am.

It's almost impossible to get tickets to shows at face value anymore.
post #165 of 181
I hope you're not considering paying more than face value.
post #166 of 181
If I do it's only because I haven't been to a concert since Metallica in 2009. I don't go to any anymore.
post #167 of 181

I'm thinking about going if I can nab tickets, but, wow, are these expensive.  This show, by far, would be the most I ever paid for a non-festival ticket.  Hell, I've been to three-day festivals that didn't cost this much.  

 

Keep trying, catartik.  I think only a certain amount of tickets are released for every presale.  A friend who's a fanclub member couldn't get any at first either, but he kept refreshing for about 30-40 minutes and some popped up.  Usually, if traffic is high, a few tickets get thrown back in the pool eventually.  I've gotten a few tickets that way.  Lollapalooza technically sold out in 15 minutes last year, but I got my ticket after about an hour of refreshing; someone relinquished it.

 

I think the next presale is Thursday.

post #168 of 181

Any thoughts on the Lady Gaga performance?  It's too bad that Hetfield's mic got unplugged.  He was pissed and rightfully so.  

 

I'm not exactly the world's biggest Gaga fan, but she can sing.  Plus, she's a big metalhead.  She was an honorary roadie for Iron Maiden in Florida a few years ago, she's been hoping to do a duet with Rob Halford for a few years now, has hung out with Charlie Benante of Anthrax and is friends with Alice Cooper.  Pretty cool.

 

Cooper has covered "Born this Way" live a few times:

 

post #169 of 181
I'm a fan of hers so I was looking forward to the performance for sure. Too bad about the oMic not working though. I didn't help that Laverne Cox omitted their name from the introduction, albeit probably accidentally.

Plus poor Megadeth winning a Grammy only to have to walk to the stage while Master of Puppets was played. There really is no respect for the genre.

I'm going to try the presale through the Avenged Sevenfold website tomorrow.
post #170 of 181
Not to be a total asshole, but I plan on seeing High On Fire, Overkill, Amorphis and Amon Amarth over the next year or so. The combined cost of those tickets is about the same as one of these. Is the juice still worth the squeeze?
post #171 of 181

I don't share the same taste of music with anyone I know.  Metallica is a band I can convince people to see.

 

I'm 36 now, concerts are few and far between at this point.

 

In my teens and 20s I'd be at a show at least every second week.

post #172 of 181
Last time I went to see Metallica was sometime mid-2000s, maybe 2004/2005, in Paris. It wasn't the best venue - Parc de Princes is too open and acoustically compromised - so you could tell that they were doing something worthwhile on stage but the effect was lost in the wind.

I'd go and see them again if they ever come to the UK and play smaller, indoor venues. I need to be kettled if I'm listening to metal.
post #173 of 181
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Not to be a total asshole, but I plan on seeing High On Fire, Overkill, Amorphis and Amon Amarth over the next year or so. The combined cost of those tickets is about the same as one of these. Is the juice still worth the squeeze?

Overkill? Holy shit! They were sick back in the day.
post #174 of 181
They're sicker now. Still cranking out an album every couple years. The last few have been pretty astonishing.
post #175 of 181
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Overkill? Holy shit! They were sick back in the day.

 

Try them. 

post #176 of 181
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Try them. 

New album THE GRINDING WHEEL dropped today. It's fate!
post #177 of 181
Hahaha . . . no shit! Thats cool. I youtubed Years of Decay and some of Under the Influence last night.

I saw them play in . . . 92? . . . with Anacrusis and some heavily booed group called Space Cowboys that I dont recall ever finished thier set. Embarassed myself by being the only one singing along with 'Fuck You' when the band stopped and Blitz turned the microphone towards to crowd. Met Dark Angel's Gene Hoglan . . . asked him if it were cool if some friends and I covered 'A Subtle Introduction' . . . he chuckled and said "Oh, yeah, go for it! (Good luck with that, kid . . . I'm sure he thought).
post #178 of 181
Ok so I scored general admission tickets with the Avenged Sevenfold code.

Crisis averted.
post #179 of 181

Metallica and Iggy Pop in Mexico City:

 

post #180 of 181
Shame they didn't do a Metallica song together.
post #181 of 181
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Overkill? Holy shit! They were sick back in the day.

 

Yeah, but they're all quite healthy now.

I saw them with Nuclear Assault way back 1988!

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