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post #51 of 66
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
I'd also like to go on record with this: The early pressings on St. Anger had a DVD of the band performing the entire album, with Trujillo on bass, in the studio, no breaks. God help me, the album almost sounds good there. And if anything, you see the band with chemistry again, having fun with it.
Jesus Christ, no. I don't care what setting, Invisible Kid and Shoot Me Again will never be good songs. Ever.
post #52 of 66
Regrettably, whatever Metallica does in the future will always be compared to those first few albums and will be found lacking. This is not a knock on their later albums, though. It's just that the first four were that good. In fact I still believe that the most appropriate critical reaction to Ride The Lightning is "FUUUUUUUUUCK!!!" They were fucking earth shattering.

And this is coming from someone who loves the black album, Garage Inc and Death Magnetic. For a while I even was the resident Load apologist among my circle. Let us not speak of Reload and St.Anger again.
post #53 of 66
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Some more info regarding remasters:

I did a little research regarding remasters of the older CD's. There were some gold remasters but apparently they just cleaned up the sound a bit as opposed to a full on remaster. A fellow named "Tech-Noir" took it upon himself to remaster everything from Ride the Lightning thru The Black Album. His stuff is out there but I haven't listened to it.

The reason I mention this is because he does a very detailed explanation of the "fixes" he had apply to the original versions. Anyone interested in how incredible these early albums would sound with official remasters would do themselves right to read this (presumed) professional's comments on their shortcomings.
post #54 of 66
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Sorry but I just don't buy that analogy st sll Vhavez, the black album is well above average.
Less a qualitative comparison and more about the fact that it is/was a controversial flashpoint - i.e. "James Hetfield raped my childhood" sort of hyperbole.
post #55 of 66
Metallica are one of the few (non-Jazz) bands that I prefer listening to Live CDs over the studio albums. Their live stuff is pretty amazing because they're remarkably tight and powerful performers in front of an audience.

I've actually, for my sins, been really getting into their symphonic collaboration with Michael Kamen. S and M probably has some of my favourite Metallica moments, but the version of The Memory Remains on that album/DVD is pretty much the definitive version for me.
post #56 of 66
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
Metallica are one of the few (non-Jazz) bands that I prefer listening to Live CDs over the studio albums. Their live stuff is pretty amazing because they're remarkably tight and powerful performers in front of an audience.
They were once. Lars forgetting how to play his instrument some time around 2001/2002 really takes away from their live show.
post #57 of 66
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Originally Posted by Justin Clark View Post
Lest anyone forget: Reload was all B-Sides from Load to begin with. Wasn't surprised in the least 90% of it turned out to be shit.

It does, however, have Memory Remains, Unforgiven II, and Low Man's Lyric on it. I have no regrets owning that album based solely on those three.
The only tracks I dig on ReLoad are, "Devil's Dance", "The Unforgiven II", "Where the Wild Things Are" and "Fixxxer".
post #58 of 66
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
I've actually, for my sins, been really getting into their symphonic collaboration with Michael Kamen. S and M probably has some of my favourite Metallica moments, but the version of The Memory Remains on that album/DVD is pretty much the definitive version for me.
I agree with the love for S&M. I also really like the songs written just for that performance; No Leaf Clover and Minus Human.
post #59 of 66

I love resurrecting old threads, PK style...

 

Anyway, did anyone pick up the Beyond Magnetic EP that just came out?  It was part of the 30th anniversary celebration they just did in San Fran (they played a song each night - and got Mustaine to play with them, that must have been fun).  I'm listening to it now, it's pretty good.  Not as good as the songs that made it onto Death Magnetic, but compared to Lulu it's Mozart.

post #60 of 66

They're quickly plastering "Metallica" on any and all things the name will fit on. Gene Simmons would be proud, except that means less people buying junk with the word "KISS" plastered on it.

 

 

post #61 of 66

I'm not certain whether they are from Load or Reload, but I actually LIKE Ain't My Bitch and Fuel.  These two songs still have nothing on the first four albums from Metallica though.  Creeping Death is a fucking GODLIKE song. 

post #62 of 66

Ain't My Bitch and Fuel are certainly highlights of that period. The Metallica of the Load/Reload period are a band who got a taste for 'legitimacy' and desperately wanted to show they were broadening their musical horizons, but just couldn't work out what the fuck music they actually wanted TO make. However, when they occasionally kicked the riffs out they showed they could still deliver.

 

Beyond Magnetic is okay, but you can see why the songs were cut. They all feel fairly scattershot, with none of the focus of a lot of the stuff on Death Magnetic. Best track IMO is Just a Bullet Away, which reminds me a lot of Volbeat (Who, interestingly enough, were heavily influenced by Metallica and toured with them extensively... Bit of mutual influence going on there, it seems).

 

Also worthy are the 30th anniversary shows, which have been released for download. It'll cost you $40 for all four shows, but they're well worth the scratch - the setlists and range of guests they had was insane. Newsted up playing a bunch of songs? Yes. Reuniting with Mustaine, Ron McGovney and Lloyd Grant? HELL YES. John Bush tears the shit out of Four Horsemen as well - interesting that they offered him the singer's slot back in the day.

 

Unfortunately, there are brief incursions by both Marianne Faithfull AND Lou Reed to play their crappy collaborations, but the good well outweighs the bad here. If anything, the band trying valiantly - if unconvincingly -  to pump up the crowd for Reed's entrance helps ameliorate the painfulness of the Lulu material. Overall though, the setlists are awesome and the band mostly tight, save a couple of stumbles (e.g. Fucking up Suicide & Redemption on two separate nights) If you're looking for some 'Tallica live stuff that gives a good overview of their career highlights, you can certainly do worse than this.

post #63 of 66

Cliff Who? Hulk Hogan was almost the bass player in Metallica, according to Hulk Hogan: http://www.nme.com/news/metallica/61668#9

 

Frankly, the Hulkster's a notorious gobshite and this should taken not with a pinch of salt, but with the salt mine dumped on it. But this, along with his also-professed love of working out to The Stone Roses, sure makes for some wonderful images.

 

So eat your vitamins, say your prayers and OBEY YOUR MASTER, BROTHER!

 

MASTER, BROTHER!!

 

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post #64 of 66

You know what? Even though I like Trujillo, after Lulu a Metallica record with Hulk as bassist wouldn't faze me. I think Lars is missing on a pretty sweet pay day if he doesn't pursue this.  

post #65 of 66

Does Beyond Magnetic have the same overdriven production as the album? Loved the material, but man, the noise wars have ruined so many good records.

post #66 of 66

The songs on beyond magnetic don't sound as finished as the ones that made it onto DM.

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