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Google meme of the day: funny or racist?

post #1 of 144
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Paste the number 2204355 into Google, press "I'm feeling lucky".

First reaction, racist.
post #2 of 144
Is that a google thing?
I thought that video popped up a few weeks ago.
post #3 of 144
Because I've been known to do a happy dance when presented with food I love, I declare it NOT RACIST! Maybe that guy really, really likes fried chicken.
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Is that a google thing?
I thought that video popped up a few weeks ago.
Yeah, this popped up a while ago. But it's not Google. As far as I know it's a viral video from an old Kentucky Fried Chicken ad.

Sort of racist?
post #5 of 144
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I have no idea if Google created it. But it requires Google's search function, hence I put it in the title. And if this has been out several weeks, I'm glad my friends are smart enough to either not be in circles that know about this or are smart enough not to pass it around. I saw it on a Chewers Facebook page this morning and was shocked.

Mattioli, of course he likes fried chicken. All Black people do! It's in our genes.
post #6 of 144
I'm not really sure what's racist about it. Is black people liking chicken really a thing?
post #7 of 144
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I have no idea if Google created it. But it requires Google's search function, hence I put it in the title. And if this has been out several weeks, I'm glad my friends are smart enough to either not be in circles that know about this or are smart enough not to pass it around. I saw it on a Chewers Facebook page this morning and was shocked.

Mattioli, of course he likes fried chicken. All Black people do! It's in our genes.
"Here, I thought I loved fried chicken because it was delicious. Turns out, I'm genetically pre-disposed."
post #8 of 144
wtf

Also I'm white and I love fried chicken and watermelon so there
post #9 of 144
Salon (and some other sites) ran some stories on it with the original commercial (that includes a bunch of people, including this guy, doing a KFC "chicken dance").

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...of_2204355_kfc

This looks like a remix that some made/was working on.
post #10 of 144
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Originally Posted by Jake View Post
wtf

Also I'm white and I love fried chicken and watermelon so there
Oh God me too.
post #11 of 144
I... don't get it? What's with the number? And how the hell did anyone "figure this out*."


*Note: I'm not even sure what there is to "figure out." This seems so utterly stupid I can't even believe I'm devoting thought to this.
post #12 of 144
It was on my facebook. Thought the music was pretty hilarious.
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Oh God me too.
Also my dick is gigantic
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Also my dick is gigantic
Oh.
post #15 of 144
oh my god you guys I had some watermelon at a party last weekend and it was better than eating pussy
post #16 of 144
If you wanted to get really PC about it all, that's more homophobic than racist.
post #17 of 144
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I'm not really sure what's racist about it. Is black people liking chicken really a thing?
I guess someone needs to buy this book:


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"Here, I thought I loved fried chicken because it was delicious. Turns out, I'm genetically pre-disposed."
God, I love that stand up special. Not a weak joke in the bunch.
post #18 of 144
To get back to the original question posed: why can't it be funny AND racist?
post #19 of 144
I'm not getting a racist/homophobic vibe from it. Mostly I'm just thinking... "Why?"

What old ass Nintendo game is that theme from?
post #20 of 144
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To get back to the original question posed: why can't it be funny AND racist?
Many things can be funny and racist (see Blazing Saddles - though the racism in the film was tongue in cheek). I guess the bigger crime is that this isn't particularly funny. Playing off of long standing racist stereotypes of Black people, just makes it tasteless and unfunny.

ETA: So I looked up the website on the Amazon book link I posted. It's real. I should post it in The Fact That This Exists IS Hilarious thread. http://yourblackfriend.com/
post #21 of 144
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What old ass Nintendo game is that theme from?
It's the theme from Alf given the Nintendo music treatment. As far as I know there was never an Alf game for NES though.
post #22 of 144
When I saw this I didn't even twig it might be considered raciest, I thought they picked the guy because of the cheesy grin he was pulling.
post #23 of 144
I don't get the hubbub over this, or why it's caught on in the various social networks. Ten years ago there were a ton of these stupid gif loops accompanied with repetitive music. The Nerf football coming out of a woman's vagina accompanied with "Whoomp There It Is", for example. Why get up in arms because some asshole took footage from a KFC ad that's in very poor taste and took it a step further and made the guy have a euphoric reaction? Shall we fully dissect everything on 4chan while we're at it?

Short version of this post: Welcome to the Internet.
post #24 of 144
(Not my) theory: Dave Chappelle's "The Niggars" sketch isn't racist; white people laughing at it and showing it to one another is.
post #25 of 144
I can see how this might be considered racist. But it would depend on the source and intent. If it was created by an African-American as a tribute to fried chicken, then it isn't racist. If it was created by someone with the intent of ridiculing African-Americans and their supposed love of fried chicken, then it definitely is.

The bigger issue, ultimately, is that it's stupid and unfunny, whatever the intent may have been. It works as neither a tribute nor a tasteless parody. It's just a dumb, boring thing. So... What's the point?

YTMND has been doing this sort of thing for years. And at least their points are usually clear. Or, if not, the results tend to be amusing.

Racism is something that has been on my mind the last couple of days. I was drunk and posted an admittedly dumb facebook status report, which included a term that could definitely be interpreted as racist. Although that was not my intention. Of course, I came to my senses and removed the post.

My point being, it's so easy to make stupid mistakes like that and you have to be careful. Particularly in such an open forum.
post #26 of 144
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I don't get the hubbub over this, or why it's caught on in the various social networks. Ten years ago there were a ton of these stupid gif loops accompanied with repetitive music. The Nerf football coming out of a woman's vagina accompanied with "Whoomp There It Is", for example. Why get up in arms because some asshole took footage from a KFC ad that's in very poor taste and took it a step further and made the guy have a euphoric reaction? Shall we fully dissect everything on 4chan while we're at it?

Short version of this post: Welcome to the Internet.
Who's up in arms over this? I was genuinely curious why someone would find this funny. The person who posted it and their friends thought it was pure "awesomeness". To me, its boring and mildly offensive.
post #27 of 144
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(Not my) theory: Dave Chappelle's "The Niggars" sketch isn't racist; white people laughing at it and showing it to one another is.
Is it? I always found the humor in that sketch to be about how much fun Chappelle is having, how over-the-top he's going. It's not a favorite of mine, but those aspects make me laugh.

Can a comedy sketch NOT be racist, but anyone who finds it funny is? Or did I take a dry semi-sarcastic post too seriously?
post #28 of 144
One version Chappelle gave for walking away from his show was that "the wrong people were laughing."
post #29 of 144
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One of the reasons why Dave Chappelle quit his show was because to him, it felt like people were laughing at him and not with him. They didn't understand what he was spoofing. And that made Dave uncomfortable. There are still a lot of racism in the world, and just because people are ignorant or don't intend to be doesn't let them off the hook.
post #30 of 144
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The person who posted it and their friends thought it was pure "awesomeness".
Maybe it's been an incredibly boring week.
post #31 of 144
Phil said that white people laughing at the sketch are racist. I was citing an example (myself) of a white person laughing at the sketch for what I considered to be non-racist reasons, wondering if I was somehow in the wrong or if I was taking his statement too seriously or literally.

I definitely get why he left and what he meant and agree. Another example would be Chris Rock's "Black People Vs. Niggers" making a LOT of white people feel empowered to say that they "don't hate black people, they hate niggers" which is missing the point of the bit completely.
post #32 of 144
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Yeah, its tricky. You want to be able to talk about racism in a way that doesn't make people feel defensive, and jokes certainly are a way to do that. But if one doesn't understand the joke, the point is quite literally missed.
post #33 of 144
That's all I was inferring Patrick. I don't have an answer; I was suggesting that if there's racism in that video, it's probably more inherent in its distribution/delivery. "Click 'I'm feeling lucky' - it's awesome!"

There's no significance to the google angle beyond someone deciding it would be a funnier (or safer) way to pass this around and laugh at a black guy eating chicken than a link that says "black guy eating chicken." The juvenile humor comes not just from the un-PC image, but that it's instantly delivered fullscreen to you without you knowing what it is.
post #34 of 144
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One version Chappelle gave for walking away from his show was that "the wrong people were laughing."
I've always perceived that this was the main reason as to why he quit, and no explanation beyond that is required.
post #35 of 144
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Really good point, Phil.
post #36 of 144
Long but SO WELL SPOKEN!

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At one point during his appearance on Oprah, Chappelle...spoke of a White man laughing in a way that made him uncomfortable with the direction that his career had taken. That hazy explanation sounds like a lame evasion of his own fears until you reflect upon the events that prefaced his frantic flight to Cape Town.

In the first skit from the "Lost Episodes," -- the pieces that Chappelle completed before leaving the show in the third season -- a character confesses that no matter how funny the show is people will say that it wasn't as good as last year. Chappelle's character is silent for a moment and then says confessionally "Yeah, I already know that." And what the viewer already knows is that the brother ain't entirely acting when he makes that statement. But the irony – in a situation that is soaked with it – is that the material from the Lost Episodes is easily on par with the work he did in the show's first two seasons.

The problem was not so much the work as it was who was viewing it. It is clear at this point that Chappelle is the inheritor of the mantle held by the late Richard Pryor (and if ever there was occasion to lament his passing it is now when there is so much for him to say about this situation.) Chappelle mentioned later that he left because he felt that he'd been irresponsible with his art. But his work had not changed; the news of his massive contract and his status as the reigning it kid of American pop culture had vastly changed the audience he was performing it for. And that is what Chappelle meant by "everything that came with the money."

In his brilliant sketch "Bicentennial Nigger" Pryor starts out by informing his audience that Black humor started in slave ships. (In that same tradition, Chappelle's logo features the comic wearing a set of broken shackles and holding two fistfuls of cash.) If Pryor was exaggerating it wasn't by much. Black humor out of necessity began as a series of inside jokes. Early records of slavery in the United States are filled with accounts of paranoid slave masters who hear slaves laughing and believe that they must be the subject of the joke – a fear that works in the same way that a person in a room with two others who are speaking a foreign language becomes convinced that they must be talking about him. But as the saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're crazy. All the weapons, laws and shackles in the world couldn't save White people from playing the often unwitting straight man in a satire told just out of earshot of the big house. In the case of Chappelle, you confront the one question at the
heart of his dilemma: what happens to an inside joke once the whole world is in on it?

An inside joke is inside for a reason – usually because only a select few people share the references necessary to decipher it or the background to appreciate where the actual comedy is. In the wrong hands the joke will inevitably be misinterpreted. A profound sense of insider irony allowed Black folks to fling the word nigger around with no – or at least very few – explanations necessary. And nigger was the most inside, the most ironic and complexly encrypted element of both Pryor and Chappelle's humor. But it's virtually impossible for a White person in America to use the word nigger ironically. It would be the equivalent of having an interracial slave revolt – the point being that once White folk get an invitation, well, it ain't really a slave revolt no more. It's no coincidence that both Pryor and Chappelle met career crossroads that entailed traveling to Africa and refusing to use the word nigger in their routines when they returned.

Pryor told The New York Times Magazine in 1975 "I think there's a thin line between being a Tom and [depicting] human beings. When I do the people I have to do it true. If I can't do it, I'll stop right in the middle rather than pervert it and turn it into Tomism. There's a thin line between to laugh with and to laugh at." That line was at the forefront of Pryor's mind when he returned from Africa in 1979. He renounced his use of the word nigger, later saying it was "a wretched word. Its connotations weren't funny even when people laughed… It was misunderstood by people. They didn't get what I was talking about. Neither did I."

But for all this, race lines weren't even the primary breaking point in Chappelle's crisis. In an era defined by simpleton celebrity gloss, where the lowest denominator is also the primary target audience, Chappelle's real fault line was comedic IQ. His core audience, the people who were drawn to the first two seasons of Chappelle's Show, is multi-hued, geographically diverse and spread across a wide swath of Generations X and Y. They found a common ground in all being smart enough to catch the irony – even if only part of that audience could participate in it.

The work he created during those seasons is brilliant precisely because it is so unfiltered and true. His famous skit with Clayton Bigsby, the blind Black Klansman was a sublime dissection of the absurdity of racism. His "Race Draft" allowed ethnic groups to trade for people of other races that they'd always wanted to adopt (Black folks draft Eminem and trade Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice; Asians walk off with the Wu-Tang Clan). Those eight minutes of comedy did more to explain the state of American culture than the last dozen academic conferences on "hybridity" and "cultural miscegenation." The
series "When Keeping It Real Goes Wrong" ridiculed the street ethics that have metastasized throughout Black culture. In other instances, he composed riffs like the insanely comical Rick James skit that proved that he could strip away politics and still leaving you on the floor gasping for air.

By season three, though, Chappelle's Show had officially crossed over, meaning that he was virtually assured of an audience too big to really dig what exactly he was laughing at. Jimi Hendrix encountered that same paradox when he became big enough to attract an audience that couldn't grasp his guitar genius but did manage to get hung up on their image of him as a Black Dionysus who burned guitars on stage.

And this is where the demons come in.

Despite his later concerns, Pryor could get away with a skit like ”Bicentennial Nigger,” in which a slave laughs about two centuries of bondage, rape and lynching because his 1976 audience understood the bitter indictment he was actually articulating. It would've been disastrous for the crossover Pryor of the 1980s to undertake that kind
of sophisticated irony. The last skit Chappelle did before leaving the show (and which is featured as part of “The Lost Episodes”) features a mini-devil that perches on people's shoulders and encourages them to behave in stereotypical ways. In his case, the devil – who appears in Blackface -- convinces Chappelle that he'll be fulfilling a stereotype by ordering chicken on a flight. He dodges that trap by ordering fish,but the minstrel rejoices when he learns it is catfish. The moral of the story is clear: he lives in a Catch-22 where anything he does fulfills some trait on an infinite checklist of stereotypes. It is a riff on the racial gymnastics required to negotiate the most routine of daily scenarios. Or, it is a hilarious bit about a jigaboo dancing on an airplane. It depends on who you're talking to.

In retrospect, it made perfect sense that this sketch would strike too close to home for Chappelle. A case of art imitating life. Or vice versa. A man who has demons depicting a man who literally has demons. An effort to deflate a stereotype that instead affirms one. A comedian brought down by a single snicker from a single White man he realizes is laughing with the Blackface devil, and not at him.
post #37 of 144
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Long but SO WELL SPOKEN!
Thanks for sharing that, it was a good read.
post #38 of 144
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Originally Posted by Phil View Post
Long but SO WELL SPOKEN!
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An inside joke is inside for a reason – usually because only a select few people share the references necessary to decipher it or the background to appreciate where the actual comedy is. In the wrong hands the joke will inevitably be misinterpreted. A profound sense of insider irony allowed Black folks to fling the word nigger around with no – or at least very few – explanations necessary. And nigger was the most inside, the most ironic and complexly encrypted element of both Pryor and Chappelle's humor. But it's virtually impossible for a White person in America to use the word nigger ironically. It would be the equivalent of having an interracial slave revolt – the point being that once White folk get an invitation, well, it ain't really a slave revolt no more. It's no coincidence that both Pryor and Chappelle met career crossroads that entailed traveling to Africa and refusing to use the word nigger in their routines when they returned.
This is precisely the reason why I've never felt comfortable to use the term n _ _ _ _ r. I simply have no right to employ it's use in any manner, even when it's just repeating a joke that I completely understand, I'll always say - The "N" word in it's place. Obviously I don't feel comfortable even typing it.

This is perhaps the best hijacking of a thread ever.
post #39 of 144
Hijack? I think I was speaking directly to the titular question at hand...

Here's that whole article if you want to read it all.
post #40 of 144
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Hijack? I think I was speaking directly to the titular question at hand...

Here's that whole article if you want to read it all.
Poor choice of words. It would be more accurate to say that you've managed to steer the conversation into a more substantive area than perhaps it started with. No offense, Diva!

And yes, I definitely want to read the rest of that article, and I'm bookmarking the site as well.

Thanks, Phil.
post #41 of 144
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Phil is articulating why the link could be construed as racist, even if the initial intent wasn't meant to be.

Thanks for the article, Phil. It really is a great read.

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Poor choice of words. It would be more accurate to say that you've managed to steer the conversation into a more substantive area than perhaps it started with. No offense, Diva!
None taken, but the point of the thread was to discuss whether you thought it was funny or racist. Jokes about happy dancing when Mattioli eats chicken aside, that's pretty much what happened.
post #42 of 144
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Salon (and some other sites) ran some stories on it with the original commercial (that includes a bunch of people, including this guy, doing a KFC "chicken dance").

http://www.salon.com/life/feature/20...of_2204355_kfc

This looks like a remix that some made/was working on.
Somehow I missed this. Thanks for the link. In the context of the ad, it doesn't come off as racist because it features a multicultural cast all doing some stupid dance.
post #43 of 144
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I'm not really sure what's racist about it. Is black people liking chicken really a thing?
I'm honestly curious: you live in South Africa, right? With such a history and tradition of racism, I would think you would be curious to learn about negative stereotypes of our culture.
post #44 of 144
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Originally Posted by Diva View Post
Phil is articulating why the link could be construed as racist, even if the initial intent wasn't meant to be.

Thanks for the article, Phil. It really is a great read.



None taken, but the point of the thread was to discuss whether you thought it was funny or racist. Jokes about happy dancing when Mattioli eats chicken aside, that's pretty much what happened.
You're absolutely right, Diva. I didn't intend to demean the import of your motivation for posting this, and I apologize if that's how it sounded. Now that I've had more time to consider it, I think that gif is pretty fucking ugly, no matter what race the author is.
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I'm honestly curious: you live in South Africa, right? With such a history and tradition of racism, I would think you would be curious to learn about negative stereotypes of our culture.
I assumed he was curious, hence his asking.
post #46 of 144
I'm just surprised. Like living in San Francisco and being confused about AIDS jokes.
post #47 of 144
Seems like it'd be specifically an American thing, though. Isn't Fried Chicken an American dish?
post #48 of 144
But maybe the fried chicken thing is uniquely American? No idea how that stuff works in other hemispheres.
post #49 of 144
Yeah it's a distinctly American thing. There're plenty negative african stereotypes down here, but fried chicken definitely isn't one of them.
post #50 of 144
Or over here in the UK, which is probably why I didn't get a racist vibe from it.
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