TRON: LEGACY THEATRICAL TRAILER DEBUTS - Page 2

Ding ding ding ding ding! Very unimaginative.

Young Bridges' uncanny valley CG head may work if he is only seen in the context of being a villain in the computer constructed world, but in that real world flashback to him and his son, the smile he gives him when leaving the room just comes off as creepy. It's an achievement only in that it is an advancement, but I can't say it's remotely convincing to my eyes.

Again, though, could be early renders with a lot of refinement still left to be done before the film's release. Can't say I'm excited to run out and see it opening day or even second weekend. I guess that makes me boring to some.

Very boring.

EDIT: I'm not trying to troll my own thread. I'm your biggest fan A&P, Andre's too. Just can't get behind the dismissal.

I was actually pretty excited for this when it was first announced. I'm a fan of the concept and design work of the original film but feel it falls flat as narrative art. The sequels' story might really deliver on the promise of the original, but oddly enough, it's the rather uninspired visual upgrading of it that is leaving me a bit underwhelmed by the endeavor. I haven't completely dismissed it outright, though.

How was the imagery of the original not "dark and cool"? The designs here feel, to me, like an organic evolution.

ETA: The look isn't as busy as the original, but then again we haven't seen everything yet.

I'll say it again Tron had more going on then its visuals and breakthroughs, yes it was all hung on the tried and true corporate creative rug pull, but it predicted a rather lot of things well, and while it can put some off in sections, it never really put a massive foot wrong, like the Black Hole. If this can take the concept to the next step, and does so in an invigorating way, and Disney putting the money down for sequels now tells me yes, it done that. In the realm of what should have a sequel/kick start this is prime, considering what has been done so far, this is a step in the right direction.

And my bloody god, those 6 new snippets of score over on the offical site are making me insane.

There are ways to pull the music out of the site. Supremely easy if you're on a Mac. I've already got a album with these six tracks plus the Cryda Luv Rework from the Flynn's Arcade at last year's Comicon.

On loop. This is the most exciting new film music I've heard in years!

Admission: I have never seen Tron. Despite that fact, I love Jeff Bridges.

NOW

I saw this trailer in front of Inception. Having not followed this - really, only knowing that it existed, and that it looks cool - I did not know that was CGI Bridges. Perhaps I wasn't paying close enough attention, but my girlfriend and her kid both thought it looked awesome. (also: we missed the VERY beginning of the trailer - that might have tipped me off, I suppose)

Point being: I don't think people who aren't already aware that young Bridges is CGI are distracted by it. After reading this thread, yeah, I can see some of the problems pointed out, but they only really appear to be an issue if you are actively looking for it. I guess if you go in looking for the uncanny valley, you can't help but notice, but for the mass audience, who could give a shit, that tech is really convincing.

I mean, it looks pretty amazing - the yBridges. But it still takes you out of it.

Why not just ask Bridges to play younger since he is a complete acting bad-ass?

Wait... that's all CGI Bridges? I thought they just pushed the de-aging effects from the opening of X-Men 3 to the next level. But that's a total videogame thing?!?

Fuck me...

It kinda feels like "Arnie's" cameo in Terminator Salvation, only the next generation.

I feel like there's something to be said for the brighter palette of Tron in the age of infinite possibility that accompanied it versus a darker stormier vision of what the computer world has become in the years since then. I don't know that this is the subtext that they're aiming for (more than likely just a standard grim n' gritty), but I'm throwing it out there nonetheless.

I thought this as well, and was wondering why the mouth did not fully match up.

Young Bridges is freaking me out. But in a good way. He still has some rough spots but looks like a tremendous achievement.

As for the rest, I can hardly wait.

If the "real world" young Flynn wasn't funky also, you could argue the Uncanny Valley effect of computer world young Flynn was an interesting intent/accident. They probably should have cast a look-alike to work super-closely with Bridges then digitally tweaked him. This peek does feel like a floating mask has been super-imposed. But I had the same fakey problems with Dr Manhattan and was fine once I got into Crudup's performance.

No problem with the dark look/vibe. The original was dark and moody back in the day, it's only now that it looks campy. This is an accurate modernization of the TRON aesthetic. Whether there's some light/free n' easy dialogue etc included in the mix remains to be seen, but Tron was played "serious".

Love Bridge's continuing loyalty to Tron. Really hope he has a great December with this (the popular) and True Grit (the art) and maybe even catch himself another Oscar because of his total awesomeness.

I still love that Boxleitner came back (or begged to be back) for this. Hopefully he has a little bit more than a cameo role, and that Tron is back.

Although I'd imagine they'd have to youngify him too.

Pretty much why I'm more than willing to accept the uncanny valley in the 'tron-world' scenes, but deaged Bridges still looked creepy in the flashback scene at the start of the trailer.

Uncanny evil young Bridges is not a problem in the computer world, as long as the real world Bridges is convincing. I'd imagine this uses the same techniques as Benjamin Button. But Benjamin Button's FX took shitload of people working for four years...

EDIT: echoing previous post.

The whole thing looks impressive to me. Am I sold on young bridges no? Outside of that this looks amazing.

Disney really must be feeling good about this.

Oh I am so fucking down with this. Outside of Guardians Of Gahul, this is the only film I actually want to see in 3D this year.

Not even if James Cameron offered to post-convert THE EXPENDABLES?!

This looks good. One query though. Wouldn't Flynn have told Bruce Boxleitner all about the computer world when he escaped at the end of TRON? From the footage so far it seems that he is completely unaware of it.

I've had a couple people ask me how to download the files, here's direct links to all 6 music tracks on the TRON site. If you can, just rick click on them and save them to your downloads folder, OR email them to yourself and do a "download linked file" from there:



http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track1.mp3

http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track2.mp3

http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track3.mp3

http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track4.mp3

http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track5.mp3

http://a.dolimg.com/franchise/tron/_...unk_track6.mp3

Voila!

I'm not sure if that counts as piracy or not, but you might not want to be sharing illegally ripped music on the boards.

I hadn't thought of it like that, it being freely available to listen to on the website. I'll take it down in a sec if it's an issue.

But these aren't filesharing links or anything... I'm just providing open links to the TRON website.

Looks pretty neat, although I liked the previous trailer better...this one was a little less atmospheric (maybe the lack of proper Daft Punk music)?

Lump me in with those who think Young Bridges is a shade "off," but if the story, effects, & performances are all on par, I won't have a problem with it.

Now I'd better go watch the original (yeah, I know).

Yeah, that made me smile.

I'm also hoping they've somehow managed to hide a David Warner cameo from us.

I thought Sean Bailey said something to the effect yesterday of 'we have a few more casting surprises'. If anyone, I'd say Warner and Cindy Morgan (since she's been involved with the Flynn Lives ARG).

I agree. The music in the first trailer really tickled my gut. The music in the new trailer did not, and if it's not the Daft Punk stuff I'm glad.

The score for this one could be iconic like the score for the original Tron (maybe not as much so) and they should use that Daft Punk material as often as possible in the marketing so there's an association of the film with that sound when it opens.

I agree. It rare that movies are able to establish a musical brand with audiences today, INCEPTION being a notable exception.

Especially when the music can have such a great cross marketing appeal.

I thought the music was pretty obviously Daft Punk... I mean, it's totally an extension of the music in the first trailer.

Yeah. They're growing on me, especially now that other sites have been able to extract better copies from the website samples. (Won't link to them here.)

Score purists are starting to complain that it sounds too much like Hans Zimmer.

Over the past year or so, I've gone from "Why are they making a sequel to 'Tron?'" to "I'm there opening day." I even nerd out now when I drive past the latest "Tron Legacy" billboard on Santa Monica Blvd; there's a new one every month.

End of line.

How would you propose they do this and yet still look recognizable as the property (and yeah, appeal to nostalgia)? If you veer too far away from expectations you may as well create new IP. TRON is probably remembered most by mainstream audiences for its distinct visuals.

It's titled LEGACY not NEXT GEN.

And I say that as an artist.

I cannot wait for...Tron Legacy! When will there be a...Pre-Release Thread? The film arrives in theaters in less than...4 months from now.

Terribly disappointed in the previews

I was amped about this until I saw the new look of the Tron world in the first teaser trailer.

Now... I'm INCREDIBLY depressed. Not just by the fact that Disney wants everything in TRON to look like an iPod, but the fact that everyone in the fanbase loves the new look so much. Apparently people still think iMacs and iPods look futuristic, 15 years later, even when applied to an aesthetic that is the opposite of the original effect. Light cycles that are nothing more than CGI versions of street racers? The original TRON look/feel was all about straight lines. And since when is Jeff Bridges what made the original Tron so great? This is another exercise in soulless technical experimentation without the artistry that made the original TRON so great.

A lot of people claim to be designers and artists, but go on about IP, marketing and technical innovation, box office franchise potential ($$ and/or eyeballs glued to the screen = art apparently) and focusing on a de-aged head without talking about the artistry or lack thereof. Not much of an artistic focus. The original TRON was great DESPITE the bad graphics used for the MCP head... chew on that.

Maybe it's just because, as someone into design (architecture and planning) myself, I see the hypocrisy of all the little details and realize there is no technical innovation here, just "make everything look more like the early 1990s SUV, because the digital world looks like a cross between an iPod and a Chevy Suburban! And make sure there are no straight lines and let's focus on Jeff Bridges and hire terrible actors for everyone else!"

Also... Daft Punk sounds way too much like the industrial/Radiohead school of electronica for my taste. More late-90s aesthetic endlessly recycled. But that's a matter of opinion, the design clash issue is more of a cut and dried issue -- if you hate the look of the original Tron, you'll love this.

Anyhow, between this and Avatar it's clear that the "digitize filmmaking" crowd is sending a strong message that they want all future films to be a 3D VR videogame, not story-oriented, actor-oriented or photography based.

A related issue is the fact that the focus on Jeff Bridges' head clearly implies that the filmmakers think the original film is unwatchable. They think people only go to see a film for the effects -- and quality effects don't count unless they are bleeding edge and "realistic" (never mind that "realism" is either a discredited concept in design or it can be achieved without effects if the concept is taken literally). They've internalized the whole notion that "go to the theater is for the wow factor, that's the only thing that'll prevent people from waiting till it comes out on cable" into meaning "the whole purpose of going to see a film is to turn your brain off and wow them with visuals, like a theme park ride. Once the visuals are outdated the film itself is no longer relevant and can be rebooted."

I forgot to mention -- the physics of the new light cycles (trying to appeal to the Fast and The Furious - Tokyo Drift school of filmmaking, only digitized for extra XTREME-ness!) defeats the whole purpose and function of, well, light cycles. I mean, consider for a moment what they were supposed to be for, functionally.

I shouldn't be surprised because sadly, anyone who grew up in a contemporary American suburb the past 20 years probably thinks postmodern architecture and design DOES look futuristic, even when applied to the opposite aesthetic (TRON is defiantly modernist in look and feel). I mean, everything in the future will look like the toy store at the mall and/or suburban office parks from the early 21 century, right? After all, it's what the future looks like in current video games, and it's what the present looks like in LA and San Jose, so lets just make TRON look like a current FPS, but even more grimdark. And screw any of those innovative-looking video game worlds, to boot.

One final thought... Jeff Bridges' son in the latest trailer and his female companion make me think of, well, Robin and Batgirl from the film which must not be named. I'm sorry, they just do. Maybe that's the best word for this "everything will look like an iPod" concept: The Joel Schumaker Aesthetic.

Consider the inanity of making those PI-shaped hunter-seeker things (or whatever they're called in the Tron universe) look like a "realistic" vehicle out of, say, Phantom Menace or Terminator Salvation. We're talking about stuff that was based on elemental geometric forms in the original, and making a New Beetle that is vaguely the same shape, and slapping the same label on it. This is the studio that want(ed) to make a "photo-realistic" version of Yellow Submarine, right?

On edit: Come to think of it, I missed out on the Yellow Submarine thread (I mostly lurk) but almost everyone on that thread was supportive of the notion.

The intensity of the negative responses here fascinates me, but only in that it puts up an interesting mirror to the visceral positive reaction I had. I think now that overreacting this much in either direction over a trailer is probably silly.

I will at least comment on the design. Where some people see a lack of imagination, I see hints of a deliberate decision on the part of the writers to make Flynn a failed creator, setting out to make a world in his own image before he fully realized his own limitations. Without having seen the screenplay, I can guess that Flynn regrets the crapsack world he's made and needs his son to shake it up. Maybe I'm determined to like this movie before I've seen it, maybe I'm just insufficiently determined to hate it before I see it.

I'm not going to triple-post, but I do have one more. Functionally, the light cycles mimicked video game sprites that could only move at 90 degree angles. We've had 360 degree, three dimentional movement in video games since the 1990's. It's okay for the light cycles to move that way. Honest.

I appreciate what you said. just one comment - the problem (in my opinion) with the light cycles is that storytelling and the imagination always works best when limits are imposed. In the original, like many good works, technical limitations were imposed by the concept of sprite-based figures and the limitations of 3D imaging requiring imagination to overcome... so they decided to play with the limitations of the concept instead of pretending what we see is real.

The concept they came up with was that the lightcycles existed to cut each other off in their colored light trails, creating a geometrical limitation for the rider. They were also ridden at high speed to emulate the video game-only concept of forced turns at high speed. Making them as realistic as possible, therefore, making them capable of jumping over each other, kinda removes the entire "physics" and misses the point of the concept... and there's something to be said for finding the limitations of whatever video game technology they are riffing on and creating a story/design out of that.

(Think of how Mirror's Edge parodies the whole "postmodern futuristic" look. Disney even commissioned someone to do a "grim and gritty" video game set in a post apocalyptic Disney world.) Where great art comes in is riffing on the limitations of the medium. ok the original Tron may or may not be great art but it was definitely in the high modernist tradition... In this case, eliminating sharp right turns is a design choice. sort of the whole notion that everything has to look swooshy, like a Super Bowl halftime show beer commercial.

I was right where you're at, in terms of your thoughts, after I watched the first teaser. My concern after seeing the second is the message Disney got was that it wasn't realistic enough. This whole digital 3d movement is creating its own aesthetic that seems to be highly bombastic and literalistic and devoted to making people think that something is heightened reality just because it is high contrast or impossible to duplicate, hence the uncanny valley. I hope the film doesn't buy into that notion, and as you say, could be parodying the whole "ultra-realistic dark and gritty" aesthetic.

Maybe we find out the whole thing is a Halo-style MMORPG that Flynn wrote, all the other Programs are user avatars, and his doppelganger is a User who hacked into the system, and took over Flynn's admin privileges. OK, that'd be interesting, but if Clu is turned into just another a virus that's taken over, well... I await the scene where he says "some part of you imprinted on me, Mr. Flynn!"

What exactly is the relation of TRON world to the real world in this? Does it just exist in fictional hyperspace, or is there some justification given for the design aesthetic other than "it's digital?"

Sorry for the multiple posts. Haven't posted in this topic previously... I think I'll step away from the computer...

The assumption I make from the trailer is that the digital world is entirely inside the mainframe that the son finds in Flynn's Arcade.

The jumping and whatnot seems to me to complicate the geometry of the cycle game, rather than eliminate it. It's entirely possible that they do go way overboard with it, though. Hell, that scene might be perfectly nauseating to watch in 3D.

Aren't there rumors going around that the reshoots are largely related to trying to amp up that relationship? So they at least seem aware that it may be a weak spot.

I've recently discovered that I have no less than three friends who've already seen early cuts of LEGACY. The reaction from all three was positive, albeit with some reservations. All three said that you really need to have seen the first film to really get what's going on. And one of the three said that even though he liked it, he felt that the geekosphere was going to be disappointed simply because it's a good movie that's being way overhyped.

Regarding the supposedly uninspired design work in the new film, isn't this a damned if you do/damned if you don't situation? I mean, if you come up with something truly new and groundbreaking, it won't tie into the very TRON nostalgia that allowed this new movie to be made...but if you do stay loyal to the original style, you'll have design snobs poo-pooing your work as uninspired.

In other news, "Greetings, Programs!" indeed:

http://www.wonderhowto.com/wondermen...-nsfw-0118924/

Are the people in here predicting mega box-office doing so because AVATAR caught everyone so offguard? Or do they genuinely believe this will be huge?

you're really weird

I don't think anyone here is predicting Avatar or really even Iron Man numbers. "huge" for me would be something like $200 million domestic. It just feels like this would have to really miss with a general audience to not become a mid-size hit. Its release date and the money Disney is putting behind it makes it hard for me to see this not doing well.

I'm surprised there can be so much hype for a sequel to a very mediocre original. Why are people expecting so much out of this when even the original never delivered it (in terms of character and emotion). The financial success of this film will depend highly on new audiences discovering it and not so much on fans of the original.

User_32, To me...Tron is terrific! It is one of Jeff Bridges best films, the special effects were sublime, Wendy Carlos composed a dazzling score, and the action was top notch! I would have loved keeping the original designs, but the new lightcycles and everything looks...very cool indeed! Cindy Morgan was one of the best effects in, Tron as well. David Warner was a properly...EEEEEEEEEEvil villain as well!

Even though I'm by no means predicting it being a great film or an AVATAR-killer at the box office, I do think it will be huge. It's a family friendly spectacle (with the Disney brand name on it) but it's got a sexy look and high tech toys. And it's got the traditional post-Christmas release wasteland to frolic in. Call me crazy but after the 8 minutes they showed at Comic-Con, I came out of there thinking it could do a billion worldwide, especially with the muscle of the Mouse behind it, as you noted. The word of additional shoots based on feedback from the heartstring tuggers at Pixar tells me that Disney is going to do everything they can to jam this thing over the $1B mark. I'm not going to fight to death in a cage match defending that prediction but I'll quietly stick with it until I'm proven wrong.

Not a fan of Tron, but I'm very psyched for this because of the eye-candy...I think Kosinski could turn out to be a major player soon...

Young Bridges is definitely Polar Express-esque but I love the ambition with the new technology...does this mean we'll finally get Gemini Man soon?