Sherlock (BBC) - Page 7

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Originally Posted by Dan Benenson 

No harm, per se. I just don't see the point in it considering it wasn't spitballing based on any concrete information, just leaping to a conclusion as an excuse to be cynical and snarky. I guess that's what I'm reacting to, the cynicism and snark. You're right, it's probably earned sometimes, but why do we always default to it?

Well, one possibility is that the sort of genre material that tends to draw our interest hereabouts has a habit of being watered down (or bloated up) to lowest common denominator terms when presented to a mass audience. So while cynicism may only be earned "sometimes," our paritcular corner of things earns a lot of it, IMHO.

Maybe. I guess I should go one step further and say that while the negativity is often earned, and that makes it easy to be cynical, I'm sick of giving in to it. Given how much entertainment is out there and how easy it is to pick and choose and, like I said, ignore the stuff that sucks, being cynical is a choice. In this case we already have a great contemporary TV adaptation of Holmes, so it's not even a case of worrying they'll fuck up the one chance at doing the material right.

Reasonable, but it sort of presupposes that spending five minutes here and there chatting (or snarking or whatever) about the failings of pop culture is somehow going to prevent one from enjoying the good stuff. And if there are people for whom that's the case, then you're probably right-- they should try to quit.

True enough, might seem like more than it really is sometimes. Just the same, I think it's a cumulative effect I've been feeling lately - and thus not specifically to do with the last page or two of this thread, so keep in mind this is a digression - but it's not often a few minutes of chatting about or mocking the bad in between talking about what we actually like, but the other way around. I do it myself, and a lot of the time it's fun, but lately I've been craving a little more optimism and joy in how we express our passion for pop culture. Guess the internet is the wrong place to be.

I should also note that I don't think sharing our passion for good movies and tv shows and such means not being critical, but there's a difference between having a discussion about the strengths and weaknesses of a work and just making fun of everything or focusing on the bad (again, that's not referring to what's happening here, just a general thing).

Sorry, I'm in a weird mood

I won't pretend that I predicted it would be Lucy Liu.

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Originally Posted by Jeb 

I won't pretend that I predicted it would be Lucy Liu.

 

 

 

And now Watson and Holmes will fuck for the first time ever and therefore completely screwing up the relationship.

Heheheh... 

"I am your 'sober companion.'  Would you like to register me?"

"I said later!"

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Originally Posted by Jeb 

I won't pretend that I predicted it would be Lucy Liu.

Gentlemen...

As Sherlock Holmes is an established classic of English literature, I encourage you from time to time, and always in a respectful manner, to readapt. If you're unconvinced that a particular BBC series is untouchable, tell me so, but allow me to convince you and I promise you right here and now, no subject will ever be taboo. Except, of course, Steven Moffat shows. The price you pay for ripping off DOCTOR WHO or SHERLOCK is... I collect your fucking head. Just like this fucker here.

Now, if any of you CBS sons of bitches got anything else to say, now's the fucking time!

I didn't think so.

C'mon how bad could it be?

In the pantheon of Sherlock Holmes reimaginings, there is always this to compare to:

I can't get Sherlock Flux out of my head!!!

Catchy lyrics.

Oh cool!

No wait, that wasn't the word I was looking for.  

Lol Joan Watson.

Cool.

So, I thought I'd give this the benefit of the doubt and did some research. It tuns out I shouldn't have bothered. The guy doing this has a credits list a bit less impressive than Moffat's. Notable entries being Tru Calling, Star Trek: Voyager, Medium and Ringer.

This bodes really well.

Just to get everyone's blood stirring again:

I thought there would be more discussion now that series 2 is airing on PBS.  Internet, I am disappoint.

Of course it's probably because everyone has already seen the whole series, like I did after I realized I had missed it so much.

I'll admit to uttering a vocal "squee!" when Katherine Parkinson appeared.  I've had a crush on her for years.

A Scandal in Belgravia is probably the best film I've seen in a year.

Yeah, I absolutely love "A Scandal in Belgravia". It's really Cumberbatch at his absolute best. That scene with Molly is so perfectly done and just so, so crushing.

A SCANDAL IN COPYCATIA...

It's not a copycat at all.  No texting jokes, and Watson's a woman.  And, it doesn't even take place on the same continent.  Completely different.

I'll give it a shot.  I'm a pushover for Lucy Liu, and that clip didn't look awful.

Someone help me out, I thought I saw a preview for Series 2 that included Sherlock forcing a cabinet minister (the PM?) to admit he was smoking again.  I can't find it anywhere, and it didn't show up in the Series at all.  I don't think my mind is disintegrating that badly, but maybe I made the whole thing up?

No matter how well executed, though that remains to be seen, a cynical cash-in is still a cynical cash-in. If it is good enough I may overcome the assholishness of its existence but it's a big battle this show has to fight for me.

Save Miller's accent and occasional looks of intelligence, it feels like the standard US network TV procedural.

Once you acknowledge that Holmes can be updated brilliantly, that does leave the oddity of Holmes' methods of detection baffling modern police investigators that (particularly on TV) are more or less founded on his methods. Sherlock manages to skirt that largely by virtue of compressing a lot of story into three 90-minute episodes per series, but stretched out for 22 or 26 or whatever hour-long episodes in a season, it's going to seriously strain credulity.

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Originally Posted by MrBananaGrabber 

 

Someone help me out, I thought I saw a preview for Series 2 that included Sherlock forcing a cabinet minister (the PM?) to admit he was smoking again.  I can't find it anywhere, and it didn't show up in the Series at all.  I don't think my mind is disintegrating that badly, but maybe I made the whole thing up?

PBS cuts stuff out to make room for MYSTERY logos, Cumming, and corporate ads. 

Some specifics on cuts

I just got done watching the second series last night and thought Reichenbach Fall was definitely the strongest of the three. I thought Baskerville started out ok but fell a little flat by the end and Belgravia was a good solid, fun episode. But Andrew Scott's brilliance opposite Cumberbatch made the last episode significantly stronger than the others.

I haven't seen the first series yet but I have the dvds so I will now. I'd only seen the first 20 minutes or so of the Blind Banker episode and the cuteness of it turned me off so I never went back until the new series began, which my wife convinced me to watch. I'm glad she did.

Bought the Blu-ray, watched them all again.  Still think Belgravia is the highlight of season two.

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Originally Posted by Bucho 

 

I haven't seen the first series yet but I have the dvds so I will now. I'd only seen the first 20 minutes or so of the Blind Banker episode and the cuteness of it turned me off so I never went back until the new series began, which my wife convinced me to watch. I'm glad she did.

The Blind Banker is, for me, the weakest of all the episodes so far.  No question.  I haven't even bothered to revisit that one.

Something I learned from The Hounds of Baskerville: genetically engineered giant dogs are ridiculous, but Scarecrow fear gas is perfectly logical.

I kid. I love this show.