Sherlock (BBC) - Page 8

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Originally Posted by Simon West will kill Again 

 

Soooooo... somehow Sherlock throws a lookalike off the building, runs downstairs while changing into a bicyclist disguise, bikes around the block just in time to run into Watson, to inject him with some substance that gets him to hallucinate Sherlock's face on an entirely different body?  I think that's stretching credibility for this show.

Well, based on his conversation with Molly, we know it's not Sherlock hitting the pavement and another corpse, so clearly there are shenanigans involved with Sherlock's face.  Moffat has said there's a big piece of the answer in the episode that most people haven't picked up on, and the only thing I can think of is the cyclist hitting John, which has nothing to do with anything else.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

 

Well, based on his conversation with Molly, we know it's not Sherlock hitting the pavement and another corpse, so clearly there are shenanigans involved with Sherlock's face.  Moffat has said there's a big piece of the answer in the episode that most people haven't picked up on, and the only thing I can think of is the cyclist hitting John, which has nothing to do with anything else.

Hmm... in the last episode, there was a gas that specifically made people hallucinate their fears and could make them suggestible. All Sherlock would need was a bit of that, and we know how he is about souvenirs...

I get that Molly probably had something to do with helping Sherlock fake his death.  Probably found a corpse that somewhat matched Sherlock and maybe even doctored up the corpse's face, and even helped give him cover during the autopsy or whatever.  But the way the sequence was shot, it seems like they were extremely careful not to give any room for people to go "Ah-ha!  That's when he switched with a double!"  Sherlock goes from talking on the cell to falling off the ledge pretty seamlessly.

I think we may be giving Stephen Thompson specifically, and Moffat in general waaaay to much credit.  The reveal is going to be a letdown, I can tell you that for sure.

I mean, look at how the first season cliffhanger was resolved?  It just kinda fizzled.

Looks at how Moffat resolves his Dr. Who climaxes (handwaving, lots of handwaving, sometimes, a gaping plot hole).  He does it with charm and grace, but they're not exactly well thought out.

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Originally Posted by Simon West will kill Again 

I get that Molly probably had something to do with helping Sherlock fake his death.  Probably found a corpse that somewhat matched Sherlock and maybe even doctored up the corpse's face, and even helped give him cover during the autopsy or whatever.  But the way the sequence was shot, it seems like they were extremely careful not to give any room for people to go "Ah-ha!  That's when he switched with a double!"  Sherlock goes from talking on the cell to falling off the ledge pretty seamlessly.

"I believe I can save you some time.  That most certainly is the Doctor, and he is most certainly dead."

Rule one: The Moffat lies.  There's a cheat at play here.

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Originally Posted by The Dark Shape 

 

"I believe I can save you some time.  That most certainly is the Doctor, and he is most certainly dead."

 

Rule one: The Moffat lies.  There's a cheat at play here.

Exactly.

He does it with panache, but yeah.

I will be downright astounded if the day after the premier airs we're all in this thread going "well that was totally plausible and not at all disappointing".

So, I haven't read the last.... 4 pages or so, but I just picked up Season 2 on BluRay. Holy Jesus is "A Scandal in Belgravia" some damn fine film making. I am sitting in awe of how magnificent it all comes together. I am a little afraid of rewatching it, that it may lose some of that sheen.

Scandal in Belgravia was definitely the highlight of Season 2.  Hound of Baskerville was the weakest.  But even a weak Sherlock episode is lightyears better than most stuff on TV.

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Originally Posted by Simon West will kill Again 

Scandal in Belgravia was definitely the highlight of Season 2.  Hound of Baskerville was the weakest.  But even a weak Sherlock episode is lightyears better than most stuff on TV.

I just saw the Scandal in Belgravia with the PBS app last night (seriously guys, if you don't have access to Sherlock Series 2 on DVD, get this app), and after the disappointment that was Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows, this was a hugely refreshing hour of television. Cumerbatch continues to outclass Downey with his nuanced, serious minded portrayal of the great detective, and his scene with the Christmas gift was devastating. I wasn't quite sold on the woman portraying Ms Adler, as I just couldn't see her as a lifestyle pro Domme, but Cumberbatch and Freeman did a good job of picking up the slack. Overall I'd give it a solid B.

^ Ah, Lara Pulver was absolutely perfect as Irene Adler and liked how they made her a dominatrix, one of the best portrayals of the character. Look at that bore in the Ritchie films(I like the Sherlock films but couldn't stand her Adler).

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Originally Posted by MrTyres 

So, I haven't read the last.... 4 pages or so, but I just picked up Season 2 on BluRay. Holy Jesus is "A Scandal in Belgravia" some damn fine film making. I am sitting in awe of how magnificent it all comes together. I am a little afraid of rewatching it, that it may lose some of that sheen.

It doesn't.  I've watched that episode six or seven times with various people.  It's my hook to get them into the show.

I started watching Series One for the first time today, and I'm now about to start the third and final episode.  It's quite terrific so far...Cumberbatch acts out what is by far one of my favorite interpretations of Sherlock, and Freeman also handles himself very well as Watson.  My only complaint is that, after the set-up of the first episode, the second one feels a bit like it's episode six or seven in a twelve-episode seasonal arc, where he episode is assuming that we have spent more time than is actually the case with the characters, their relationships, etc after the pilot establishing things.  I understand that this is a mini-series, but Watson and Sherlock settle into the rhythm of their relationship a little too quickly.  Other than that, there are actual mysteries worth thinking about for once - a refreshing change from the Downey films.

Everybody's right. Sherlock's great.  It's a foggy, damp day in Los Angeles and I just tucked in to watch the series on Netflix.  Just watched Season 1, Ep. 1.  It's really good.  Are there really only three episodes per season?

As someone who doesn't have a lot of time for sitting through most TV show seasons, thank God for the three episodes a season. Always prefer quality over quantity.

3 stories per season just aren't enough. I'd much prefer six 45-minute episodes. It would certainly help with the development of the characters as a lot ends up happening in between episodes. We'd get more variety of stories. Not to mention they wouldn't be wasting 1/3 of the season (the second episodes of each season so far) on a single weak story like they are now.

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Originally Posted by ShiftyEyes 

3 stories per season just aren't enough. I'd much prefer six 45-minute episodes. It would certainly help with the development of the characters as a lot ends up happening in between episodes. We'd get more variety of stories. Not to mention they wouldn't be wasting 1/3 of the season (the second episodes of each season so far) on a single weak story like they are now.

See, I disagree with this simply because it's a projection of what an individual would expect in this scenario as opposed to what actually might transpire.  Asking for a larger season to get more out of it (eg - UK TV) is much less of a certainty than asking for less of a season to trim away fat and keep it lean (eg - most 26 episode US seasons).

They are three 90 minute episodes.  That's THREE SHERLOCK MOVIES A YEAR.  Quality ones.  And if that ain't enough for you, I don't know what to say.  Even Basil Rathbone didn't churn them out that fast.

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Originally Posted by ShiftyEyes 

Not to mention they wouldn't be wasting 1/3 of the season (the second episodes of each season so far) on a single weak story like they are now.

The Hounds Of Baskerville isn't weak...

...you're weak.

As for the mystery of the Reichenbach Falls ending, I think this guy has it mostly figured out.  I find most amateur YouTube videos annoying, but he's fairly intelligent and not obnoxious.

Clever spotting the truck full of plastic bags.  He's right.  It's on camera for all to see and then it pulls away right after Sherlock's "suicide".

It's a crime that we'll probably have to wait until 2014 to find out if he's right about how Sherlock survived that fall.

Was The Hobbit and Star Trek really worth this, people? WAS IT?

Yes.

2D in the front.

So do you ever think that Moffat and Gatiss just write this mystery of a season finale, then look at the internet for the best explanation and say "Let's use that one"?
 

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It's a crime that we'll probably have to wait until 2014 to find out if he's right about how Sherlock survived that fall.

 

Was The Hobbit and Star Trek really worth this, people? WAS IT?

But by 2015, we'll have had 3 Hobbit movies, 9 Sherlock Holmes episodes, possibly 3 Star Trek films and Jaws 19 so it's all cool.

Sherlock Series 3 films in March and will surely air next fall.

I thought of another possibility of the missed clue: In the last episode (6) The kidnapping that moriarty uses to frame sherlock, missing kids and mercury laced chocolate, the kids recognize Holmes. Either Moriarty has a disguise that passes for Holmes or there was a person Moriarty used that looks quite like holmes. Either way it makes for a convenient explanation for mistaken identity on the corpse. Maybe Moriarty killed the guy and Holmes found him in the Morgue with his friend.

On rewatching the biker is almost certainly Sherlock, very lanky and a big wool hat to cover the mop of hair.

The acting is amazing and I can easily see what Jackson saw in Freeman to make him Bilbo (the burial scene is fantastic) and im dying to see what Cumberbatch does with Smaug and whoever he is in Star Trek.

Caught Reichenbach last night, and it was as amazing as I could've hoped.  Loved batshit Moriarty, that shot of him just waiting for the police with the crown jewels on was deliciously over-the-top.  

As for the fakery, Molly (for the body) + Homeless Network (to position it and whisk him away) + HOUND dose (to make John see what he was afraid of) should do it.  But my initial thought was what if they just never explained it, and had it be a running gag throughout series 3 that Watson is constantly nagging Sherlock to tell him how he did it, but he insists on him (us) puzzling it out for himself.  It would piss a lot of people off probably, but it would've been at least a little cute.

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Originally Posted by Schwartz 

Caught Reichenbach last night, and it was as amazing as I could've hoped.  Loved batshit Moriarty, that shot of him just waiting for the police with the crown jewels on was deliciously over-the-top.  

 

Love that speech. Anyway, I'm in agreement about "batshit Moriarty". When that character first appeared in "The Great Game", I have to admit that I was worried. I guess that's because we're used to a specific sort of portrayal when it comes to Moriarty and here was a guy who seemed to be a mixture of The Joker and the annoying host of a British children's television show. However, upon reaching "The Reichenbach Fall", I completely loved this take on a classic villain and the way in which he was played by Andrew Scott. So much so, in fact, that I found myself secretly hoping he'd somehow escaped death because I wanted to see more of him. He's a great match for the show's version of Sherlock Holmes.

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As for the fakery, Molly (for the body) + Homeless Network (to position it and whisk him away) + HOUND dose (to make John see what he was afraid of) should do it.  

HOUND as part of the fakery is a cool idea, but I thought the point of the suicide is to fool all Moriarty's gunmen, not Watson, so I'm not sure why that's even a factor.

I'm still worried as fuck Moffat's going to drop the ball here. His solutions for Doctor Who are so frequently buuuuuuullshiiiiiiiiiit. Sherlock seems like it's something he sweats over a little more, and the possibilities that have been batted around are pretty sound, so hopefully it won't be a copout.

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Originally Posted by The Prankster 

 

HOUND as part of the fakery is a cool idea, but I thought the point of the suicide is to fool all Moriarty's gunmen, not Watson, so I'm not sure why that's even a factor.

 

Fooling Watson is by way of fooling the gunman, that's why it's necessary at all.  If Watson doesn't look properly aggrieved, the hits will go on.  And he can't reveal himself to them at the grave because, I presume, he has to see to fully dismantling Moriarty's network prior to surfacing (I really hope the entire first episode involves Sherlock running around trying to do this while protecting/nudging Watson along with his own case from the shadows).  

Watched season one thanks to an Amazon Prime video free trial, just chiming in to say "great damn show".

Also, not sure if this has been mentioned before but there's a bit in The Great Game where a murder victim is lying motionless on the side of the Thames in the foreground, while the rest of London buzzes around frantically in time lapse in the back- GENIUS shot, pretty sure that's never been done before.

There's some really great visual flair to this show, and the best part is that it's often not immediately apparent in a "look at this cool shot" kind of way.  One of my favorite bits is in the Reichenbach episode, when Sherlock is trying to narrow down the location of the kidnapped kids, there's a sort of "in Sherlock's head" shot where a map of London is superimposed over his face, and all the background fluorescent lights in the station flicker out as he works out the location, then, when he has it, the map disappears and all the lights flicker back on.  It's a really nice little mix of practical lighting and computer fx.

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Originally Posted by Grace 

There's some really great visual flair to this show, and the best part is that it's often not immediately apparent in a "look at this cool shot" kind of way.  One of my favorite bits is in the Reichenbach episode, when Sherlock is trying to narrow down the location of the kidnapped kids, there's a sort of "in Sherlock's head" shot where a map of London is superimposed over his face, and all the background fluorescent lights in the station flicker out as he works out the location, then, when he has it, the map disappears and all the lights flicker back on.  It's a really nice little mix of practical lighting and computer fx.

You can chalk that up to Paul McGuigan, who directed most of the episodes (I think 5 of them?). His film directing work has been spotty (Gangster No. 1 probably being the only flat-out success), but I like all of them and return to them often because McGuigan is such a talented visualist. Sherlock has been a wonderful case where the writing and performances were up to par with his visual flourishes, hopefully his next film project can follow suit (although, and I'm probably the only one, I wouldn't be mad at a "Push" sequel - I have a soft spot for that flick).

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To clarify: I liked the take on the character, I just thought the actress wasn't up to portraying that role.

Disagree. I don't know much about the actress, but she would make a REALLY good Domme. Def my fave episode of all of them, superb direction, writing, performances, plus there's that phenomenal chemistry between her and Cumberbatch.

Belgravia was apparently written by Moffat but I get the feeling Gatiss had plenty of uncredited input. I so love the voice he puts on for Mycroft.

"She provides, shall we say, RECREATIONAL SCOLDING for those who enjoy that sort of thing and are prepared to pay for it."