Dexter season 5

Glad to see they're actually going forward with the Kyle Butler and not conveniently forgetting about it. Seriously hope they start looking towards a conclusion now instead of another press of the reset button.

It's taken a while, but for the first time since the show's started, I'm actually excited about a new season.

Enjoyed the trailer. But there wasn't enough in it related to the marriage of Maria and Angel. For my money you can't beat the passion between those two. I'm really stoked to see how things are going for them now that they are joined in holy matrimony. Pure magic. That's what they are. Yes sir.

Ohh fuck your doing that sarcam thing aren't you?

But seriously that trailer looks good I still feel like we are going through Doakes territory. At least this time the entire police for is questioning Dexter as well. Still I do want to see this season mostly to see Dexter as a single dad.

I told my husband last season how Quinn was going to be the new Doakes b/c the were setting up the antagonism between the two after Dexter saw Quinn pocket the cash from one of the Honeymoon killer sites. I miss Doakes, so that's good- Dexter needs someone who could quite possibly become obssessed with finding out what his big secret is, and the show needs the tension of someone who may be able to really accomplish it.

I mean, dont get me wrong, I love Dexter and I'd totaly throw ticker-tape at his serial-killer-coming-out parade, but there's no tension if there's no risk of Dexters' getting busted.

I really hope they catch him this season. It's really the only unexplored territory left in this show.

I totally agree but I want some new angle on it. Doakes was this incredible cop/badass who to me was a match for Dexter. This guy is just some shady asshole whos character never really worked for me.

My problem with the show is that everybody except for Michael C. Hall is a weak character. The shield had better "b-story" characters like Dutchboy and Julian.

Oh and the girl who plays Dexter's Step Daughter is a shitty actress.

Yes but this is actually more of a recent thing. In the first season I actually cared about Doakes, Laguerta's mean bitch character, Deb's dating life, Angel's divorce and of course Rita and how Dexter connected to her. With Deb they have kind of kept it interesting. They took all of Laaguerta's bite away and hooked Angel up with her which kinda screwed them both and took a TON of screen time.

Yeah I cared about those characters in Season 1 as well, until you come to realise that's all there is to them.

I have issues with Dexter as a character as well, or at least the way the show has made him the friendly serial killer so people don't feel bad in rooting for him. It's why Lithgow and Smits HAVE to be so much badder than he is, so we have someone to root for. At least Season 1 and some of Season 2 was morally ambiguous.

Quinn started off as a pain in the ass, but I'm actually starting to dig him. His scenes with Lithgow's daughter added some pretty nice shading to his character, IMO.

Here's another scene from the new season:

http://www.dextergameon.com/?mtag=so...id=WJbuUnAkVHX

Dexter has always been the friendly serial killer you can root for. The very first kill we see him commit in the first half of the first episode is killing a multiple child killer which he openly displays disgust for. That was all about winning the audience over to the premise.

The audience has never been asked too seriously question his actions, or feel bad about what he does. He targets evil people which deserve their place under his knife. He's the right hand of God doing the Lord's righteous work. The moral quandary of what Dexter does has only been paid lip service, with any of his questionable actions being either sidestepped (as with Doakes), or later found to be legitimate (as with Oscar).

Starts up Sunday. I'm DVRing it because I don't care about it as much as Mad Men or Boardwalk Empire. But I am excited to see where they take it for season 5.

Yeah, Boardwalk comes first for me too, but I can't wait to see this new season. I don't know why I love this kind of mediocre serial killer story so much, but I'm addicted.

The first three seasons straddled the line between great and ludicrously awful - although each grew in quality - but the fourth was all great, in my opinion. Well except for Angel and Laguerta.

Odd choice having Dex tell the kids about Rita while wearing the mouse ears.

Didn't expect that sudden kill from Dexter. Good thing there was an asshole in an isolated area for him to snuff.

Still relying too much on the voice-over.

Good start to the season. Dex's freak out killing and subsequent crying/wailing was both terrifying and oddly sad. Greatly enjoyed Hall's delivery of Rita's eulogy, as it was almost a confession in its own way.

Man, Quinn lost a ton of weight in the few hours between seasons.

Kind of wish they said 'to hell with audience expectations!' and jumped ahead about 10 years to where Harrison is getting the urge to kill and Dexter has to choose whether to nurture him or try and break the curse.

Man, that 'your mom is dead' from Dex was haaaaarsh. Way to blow it, big man.

That was pretty retarded, frankly.

I don't really expect a lot from Dexter nowadays, but this episode delivered for me. The mouse ears thing was weird, but otherwise it was pretty good. Dex losing it in the bathroom was just a great scene, and the eulogy was really well done.

I thought the mouse ears were a pretty good choice, actually. They accentuate the fact that Dexter really has no clue at all about how to behave in situations like these. Made clearer by "I'm sorry for your loss."

But no matter anything else, Hall fucking rocked that shit.

Hall was great. Maybe it's due to his health problems during hiatus, but he looked unhealthy. His unleashing of emotions in that bathroom was powerful.

The whole scene with telling Rita's parents and the kids was clumsy, and I don't mean from a "Dexter is clumsy with emotions" viewpoint. It was just off. And I couldn't help but think how much better the scene would have been with Sally Draper acting that part instead of Aster.

I bet you that Quinn figures out what Dexter is, tying it back to the Bay Harbor Butcher, the Ice Truck Killer, and Trinity, and Deb will either A) Kill Quinn to protect Dexter or B) Arrest Dexter.

They didn't get into it here but don't forget that Deb last season was THISCLOSE to tying Dexter's mother to Harry, which leads to Brian Posner, the Ice Truck, her, and full circle. If she can figure out, then Quinn (who I think is a better detective) can and will. Dexter is going to have a completely shitty season, his masks are done for, and his willingness to kill innocents and act emotional in front of others:

strangling/preparing to kill Arthur in the kitchen;
flipping out on the county police;
punching the neighbor;
being sloppy with kills all over all last season;
killing the guy in the rural bathroom last night (!!!! Killing the fashion guy is a little less worse because he did it his usual way in not leaving any evidence. He didn't even wear gloves and we don't know if he disposed of the body);
killing the wrong killer in the fashion designers';
everyone beginning to notice and comment on his constant absences, from family to friends to co-workers;

and setting an arsonist blaze in a property he rented that can be tied back to him in a desperate moment are all going to come back to bite him. Looking back on the series he's gotten ever sloppier the longer he's been with Rita. I think it's finally going to all come crashing down. He's been leaving loose ends all over Miami and beyond since Brian kidnappped Deb, and he's barely covered it up:

S1: Brian Posner. Deb can tie all this together at any moment.
S2: Doakes was just dumb luck. His overseas trip could tie into Lila's death/vanishing. Multiple people I believe know about Dexter and her.
S3: Miguel's death, tying Dexter to the Skinner.
S4: Dexter is all over Trinity, and the FBI is all over everything.

It's seriously just the barest of separations keeping Dexter apart from all of these events and three serial killers (Skinner, Bay Harbor, Trinity).

Yeah, that's a good point, but I thought it was just too well telegraphed and on the nose.

And you are right, Hall rocked that shit the entire episode.

Has anyone read the new Dexter novel? Apparently Dex's brother "The Ice Cream Truck Killer" shows up to save him from some Cannibals. Deb is still a moron as ever.

And even more than that, it was one of many examples that Dexter wasn't "a non-human", he was just a man completely shut down. "it was me" through the hat and on to his bathroom outburst, he stopped being a serial killer pretending to be a human being long ago.

Seeing Dexter and Rita's first date was cool, and it makes perfect sense that back then he'd have been fully using her as a beard. I do remember Julie Benz looking a bit more bedraggled in season 1 than in the flashbacks though.

Speaking of, I thought Hall looked fully himself - if I hadn't known better, I'd have figured the actor who plays Quinn was the one who had cancer, as he looked a lot slimmer. It's good to see Hall healthy after what happened to the actor who played Spartacus (selfishly: dammit!).

Was Hall rocking a wig?

Juat saw it and I thought everything worked well but one thing I notice nobody bringing up but didn't Dexter just kill an innocent man? I mean he was a dick but he didn't kill anyone. Big move for him.

Aye, but no idea why I still read that crap. I guess because I really like the TV Show, but honestly, they've not been even half decent since book 2. Dexter is just as retarded as Debs. I think in the finale of ALL the books he's ended up being saved by someone else, which is just getting old hat.

I enjoyed the premiere, Hall had a lot to work with in this episode and he delivered, and thankfully, we were spared the rest of the cast for the most part.

The books are shit. I have no idea how Deb has been promoted in these books, she's a moron. Rita's a nothing character. The women in Dexter novels are not treated well.

Did like that Masuka's shocking secret is gay from a book or two ago. Nice, Mr. Lindsay.

Dexter has killed an innocent man before (though he didn't know it at the time)- that douchey photographer. I don't think Dexter gives a shit about either one of those guys though, not when he has to live with the fact that he let Trinity live long enough to kill Rita.

Good, kinda low key first episode. But this show is often like that. It's all about what they build to later. Looks like Quinn will figure everything out then Dexter will be forced to take him out.

Yeah I know that but he thought that guy was guilty and after he didn't feel great about it. This guy was innocent and he knew it. I wonder if it will go anywhere.

I imagine this scene went on in the writer's room:
"Do we have time to establish this guy is a murderer?"
"Nah, let's just make him a huge dick. Nobody'll care."

Ha, I thought this exact same thing. "See, he didn't kill an innocent person because the guy was, like, a total douche and stuff!"

It certainly seemed so. He's wearing one for obvious reasons, but I was still distracted by it at times.

Made even worse because afterwords his father/brain whatever tells him the kids need him. Really? Now that he is at his most unstable?

No. Now, that he's at his most human.

Let's face it, murder was never an ethical consideration for Dexter. All the "Code of Harry" stuff are in reality just a handy survival guide. Harry has been demythologized in Dexter's eyes anyway and is now just an equal in a conversation rather than a guiding voice. He killed some random dude, so what? He kills people all the time. Does it really matter to him if they're murderous scumbags or not? The code helped because it was based on the fact that the police would be far more likely to write off a criminal's disappearance than a housewife's.

The important development with this murder is that he did it out of frustration, anger and grief. Sentiments he didn't think he possessed.

All this double posting is getting stupid. Sorry.

Well yeah what I meant was that he used to be controlled and now hes not. Losing control like that could lead to him getting caught which would NOT be good for the kids.

Also yeah it used to matter if they were truly guilty. The show was playing up that Dexter did have SOME loose morals. In the first season his brother tried to get him to kill that security guard and he didn't. In the second season he refused to kill Doakes because he was a good cop and there was even talk about letting Doakes bring him in. And that was after he learned the truth about Harry. At first that code was really about "if you must kill let it be other killers because you would actually be preventing crime" but through the series we really have seen Dexter develop and feel that it's at least somewhat wrong to kill innocent people. Doakes even mentions that he sees that in him.

I don't think Dexter would beat himself up too badly for killing an innocent guy. He sure took the photographer's murder in stride, for example.

The show seems to further validate the opinion I had form early on about how Harry overreacted to Dexter's early problems and fucked him up for good. He was a weird, damaged kid but nowhere near the monster Harry led him to believe he was. If he had taken him to a shrink instead of teaching him how to kill and evade the police Dexter's life would have been infinitely better than it ended up being.

Just got around to watching the season premiere, and from the point where Debra and Quinn got it on in Dexter's house, to Dexter telling the kids what happened, to him bludgeoning some random douche, the episode was so weird and "off" I was wondering if it was really happening.

I reacted like the dog in UP to the season preview at the end, though: "Ehh, I'm not sure how interesting this looks, feels like they're treading the same grou--PETER WELLER!"

While I enjoyed a lot of the episode I can't disagree with this.

Not sure if it was at all influenced by my knowledge that Chip Johannessen (of 24) wrote the episode and is one of the new show runners.

Hahaha...right on.

Apparently Weller's character is one they had in mind to use in season 1....and originally I believe way back then in their earliest conception of the character he was called "Weller."

I like to think of him as Chip Johannessen (Millennium)

They got rid of the kids! Woooo!

Bye bye Astor and don't let the door hit you on the way out. Cody I minded a little bit but they got everything they could out of this angle. Unless they wanted to get retarded like the books.

After the premiere, it was amazingly tense when he had that knife and was looking at the neighbor and how easy it'd be to just jam the knife into his belly.

I hope an anvil falls on Quinn. Such a hopelessly annoying character. Also, I want Peter Weller on here ASAP.

Other than that, a decent episode. I loved Angel going all Tommy DeVito on that guy at the bar.

The actor playing Astor is shockingly bad, even for a child (Cody did a much better job with the material). That fed into her decision not feeling right and feeling very, very artificial. Other than that, here's hoping the show ramps up soon.

EDIT: Though Cody was weird at the start of the second episode. Kinda chipper for a half-orphan.

They're full orphans now! Dexter got both their parents killed!