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post #101 of 355
What made it even better was Mazuka's muted pantomime routine during Dexter's voiceover.
post #102 of 355
Disappointing season so far, a few good moments, but the crime is wasting the talents of Weller...
post #103 of 355
Weller is being underused so far, but Stiles is growing on me now.
post #104 of 355
I think Weller's role is going to pick up soon, and likely play a big role in setting the finale in motion.
post #105 of 355
I can easily see Quinn having to off Weller's character in the future. Or Lumen will.

And as for the whole Lumen thing I find Dexter trying to set up some sort of "family" kind of logical. I can't think of a satisfying conclusion to this because I think it's pretty much a dead end, but then again I'm not a professional writer.
post #106 of 355
I'm liking the season quite a lot, actually, and I can't put my finger on why. It just seems so completely different than Season 1 through 4, and I'm enjoying the change. The Dexter/Lumen relationship is really working for me.
post #107 of 355
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I'm liking the season quite a lot, actually, and I can't put my finger on why. It just seems so completely different than Season 1 through 4, and I'm enjoying the change. The Dexter/Lumen relationship is really working for me.
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post #108 of 355
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
I can easily see Quinn having to off Weller's character in the future. Or Lumen will.
I really hope not, but I feel the same way.

It's just that:

1) Weller finds out what Dexter is
2) Lumen kills Weller (technically 'an innocent')
3) Dexter kills Lumen

Is just Doakes/Lila all over again. I'm hoping they go somewhere different... still not too late! I agree with the post above that so far Weller is criminally underused.

Lumen is different from Lila in that she's not just a simple obsessive nutcase, but has clearly developed her own Dark Passenger due to her experiences. But, isn't the 'nurturing a fellow serial killer' been done with Jimmy Smits though?

I'm liking Jonny Lee Miller's character so far though. Murdering a high profile celebrity has got to be one of the no-no's in The Code, surely?

Don't get me wrong, not disappointed with this season so far, but the setup is moving the season arc into very familiar areas.

Still not trusting that Nanny, Dexter might as well have hired Mrs Baylock for god's sake!
post #109 of 355
Whenever Dexter sabotages the department's investigations to get his kills always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's a weird complaint but for me the show skirts a very fine line as to how sympathetic Dexter has to be. He can't be truly evil and unsympathetic, the show doesn't have the depth or intelligence to portray that effectively, and he can't be too heroic, otherwise it gets boring. There's also the Jack Bauer conundrum, where arguably horrible acts are given a nice unironic heroic sheen by the showrunners. That last one is what made me put away the show after the second season only to reluctantly come back to it a few months later. And the fact that Dexter is currently stopping the bad guys from getting caught by the proper authorities because Lumen needs to get her Deathwishy vengeance, therefore preventing the families of the dead girls we got a glimpse of in this episode from getting ANY kind of justice, leaves an especially sour taste.

Also, I think Stiles is kind of a horrible actress.

Weller was great though. Give the man more to do and the show's quality would skyrocket.
post #110 of 355
Especially since his meddling allowed Trinity to not get caught and thus...well, we all know how that went.

I had Arrested Development/Andy Richter flashback when Weller was asking Quinn for more money.

Weller: How much you got for me?
Quinn: Well, there's a lunch-
Weller: I'll do it.
post #111 of 355
Liking this season a lot, though it definitely began spinning its wheels. Thankfully, the writers noticed this and went 'fuck it, let's cut to the chase...car accident!'. Liking the Lumen/Dexter relationship, it's like the more natural Dexter/Jimmy Smits relationship from season 3.

I just really, really want to see a Dexter/Robocop showdown...
post #112 of 355
So we now have a way by which the two storylines can intertwine. Deb killed A Fuentes brother and now the other brother will target her brother. Eye for an eye. And maybe Lumen takes the bullet for Dex. I guess will see how much they want to stay away from the formula this season.
post #113 of 355
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Originally Posted by Ali View Post
Whenever Dexter sabotages the department's investigations to get his kills always leaves a bad taste in my mouth. It's a weird complaint but for me the show skirts a very fine line as to how sympathetic Dexter has to be.
Hmm... it's true. But in Dexter's mind, the 'justice' these people would receive is not really that fitting, if it happens at all. His father basically brainwashed him into ackowledging that the guilty walk free all the time, and that the only way to bring them to 'true' justice is from the Code.

Messed up morally, of course, but it's the core premise of the show and the character. Satisfaction for the families or anything else doesn't enter into it, after all, Dexter is a sociopath and so his empathy is pretty low. The fact that people might 'feel' differently after he kills or makes a killer dissappear is not something he can entertain at all because he just doesn't know how to.

As you say, if the show was smarter, or cleverer, it could try and tackle these themes head on, but Dexter's 'condition' is pretty inconsistent, so it does it's best to skirt those issues.

Like 24, I accept that Dexter is fighting the good fight in an unconventional way. Bad guys are prevented from doing bad things, no matter the methods. If this premise though turns you off, I can imagine the show would hold little appeal. It's not like you can watch it for the enthralling interplay of the sub-characters!!!

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Especially since his meddling allowed Trinity to not get caught and thus...well, we all know how that went.
Here, again, I'd say he feels it was not his meddling, but his dawdling that cost Rita her life. He should have put Trinity down the moment he had the chance, not try to 'study' him. He won't stop meddling, but hopefully he's learned not to play with his food (so to speak)!
post #114 of 355
Well thats the tricky thing with Dexter. The writers have made it clear several times that what Dexter does is disturbing and really part of his compulsion. His dad was so disgusted he killed himself. Doakes was deeply shaken by it when he was locked in that cage. You see him struggling with the compulsion.

But the thing is Dexter is stopping killers from killing and letting them get a taste of what it's like. Thats what he does and like it or not he is saving lives. You can't help but look at his actions as at least somewhat noble. When you add in that over the past couple seasons he has been slowly devolping genuine emotions for people around him it's going to be hard to hate him. However I can't say thats the writers trying make him likeable exactly. I mean they do their best to acknowledge what he does isn't normal but the show also has to give him emotional growth. Emotial growth from a person who doesn't feel has to make him more likeable. But there is always hints of the monster like when he almost killed the wrong man due to his bloodlust. Hell he even technically killed an innocent guy in that store.

Anyway im hoping they don't kill off Julia's character. It would be nice to see someone who knows Dexter's secret stick around for longer than 1 season.
post #115 of 355
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Hmm... it's true. But in Dexter's mind, the 'justice' these people would receive is not really that fitting, if it happens at all. His father basically brainwashed him into ackowledging that the guilty walk free all the time, and that the only way to bring them to 'true' justice is from the Code.
But isn't he doing this for Lumen? He didn't want to originally go after these guys, but Lumen pushed the issue. And when he laid it out for Lumen, stating that these guys are going to get the electric chair, Lumen nixed it, wanting to do the kill herself and therefore erasing any sort of closure for the other victims. It's one of the reasons I don't really like her character. There's also her less than savvy decision making and her not being too taken with the idea of someone actually saving her life, though that some of that might be Stile's acting choices.

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Like 24, I accept that Dexter is fighting the good fight in an unconventional way. Bad guys are prevented from doing bad things, no matter the methods. If this premise though turns you off, I can imagine the show would hold little appeal. It's not like you can watch it for the enthralling interplay of the sub-characters!!!
I like the show. It works well enough when you whizz through a season and its ridiculous nature can be fun viewing. But it seriously has the worst secondary characters of any tv I regularly watch. Laguerta...jesus.

And Waaaaaaaaa(aaaaaaaaaa)lt...about him being noble, I try not to view him in that lense. The guy has murdered at least two innocent persons. I think its best for everyone if we don't analyze him too much. Kind of like the likelihood of arsenic in your water. Just goddamn drink it.
post #116 of 355
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Originally Posted by Ali View Post
And Waaaaaaaaa(aaaaaaaaaa)lt...about him being noble, I try not to view him in that lense. The guy has murdered at least two innocent persons. I think its best for everyone if we don't analyze him too much. Kind of like the likelihood of arsenic in your water. Just goddamn drink it.
Well no I wasn't calling him noble it's just with what he does you can't help to root for him on some level even if you don't agree with him. The point of the show is to analyze Dexter though, especially when you consider he is the most interesting character. Part of the fun for me has been to watch him mature from emotionless robot following a code to having real feelings. Can he ever become a real boy? It's bizarre but without those emotions hes developing the second innocent kill wouldn't have happened.

Also don't make fun of my name Ali. You know how long it took me to decide the right amount of a's in there? I mean too many im insane, not enough im frightened and weak willed. Now apologize........APOLOGIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
post #117 of 355
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Part of the fun for me has been to watch him mature from emotionless robot following a code to having real feelings. Can he ever become a real boy?
I think whatever happens, this will ultimately be Dexter's arc. He'll die at the end, but that final inner monologue will bring comfort because he will have gone from textbook sociopath to normal human being with real feelings.

By the way, I just don't see Quinn offing the Weller character or any other innocent person. He's a cocky little douche but he isn't a murderer. Also Stiles is a decent actress, I think she's just been given a frustrating character.
post #118 of 355
I think the most frustrating thing about the whole Lumen/Dexter partnership is that she isn't at all curious as to WHY Dexter goes around killing bad people. I mean, I don't know if she knows he's a serial killer or maybe in her eyes he's more of a Charles Bronson in Death Wish kinda guy (arguably also a serial killer but I digress).

What I'm getting at is there should be more discussion, only so that Dexter can actually open up to someone, ANYONE, about all he's feeling. His dad, the guilt he feels about allowing Trinity to live, etc...
post #119 of 355
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post
Well no I wasn't calling him noble it's just with what he does you can't help to root for him on some level even if you don't agree with him. The point of the show is to analyze Dexter though, especially when you consider he is the most interesting character. Part of the fun for me has been to watch him mature from emotionless robot following a code to having real feelings. Can he ever become a real boy? It's bizarre but without those emotions hes developing the second innocent kill wouldn't have happened.

Also don't make fun of my name Ali. You know how long it took me to decide the right amount of a's in there? I mean too many im insane, not enough im frightened and weak willed. Now apologize........APOLOGIZE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm soooory (infinite exclamation points).

And yeah, of course we have to analyze him. But when we get to the point of trying to decide if his actions are admirable in a real world sense (which I think of when I toss around the word noble) with all the attendant messy consequences...that's thinking too much about the character. At least for me. I do want to root for him, and not thinking too much about what he is (and what he causes) helps, I think.
post #120 of 355
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I think the most frustrating thing about the whole Lumen/Dexter partnership is that she isn't at all curious as to WHY Dexter goes around killing bad people. I mean, I don't know if she knows he's a serial killer or maybe in her eyes he's more of a Charles Bronson in Death Wish kinda guy (arguably also a serial killer but I digress).
I think you missed an ep. She's not curious because he told her that he hunts killers because his wife was murderered. Of course, she doesn't know about that he's killed hundreds of other people prior to that event. Why I would it even occur to her to suspect any motive prior to Rita's murder? It's the perfect cover for his "dark passenger".
post #121 of 355
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Originally Posted by Ali
He didn't want to originally go after these guys
Yes he did. He just didn't want her to go after these guys. Dexter's been trying to save Lumen from becoming like him, until he realized that she already is. But there's never been any doubt that once he learned about them, he'd be hunting them. After all, this is his chance to save an innocent blonde woman from a serial killer... these guys are just hosed!
post #122 of 355
Yeah, I think Lumen is safe from Dexter unless she starts killing innocents willy nilly. I don't think she will though. I think Lumen may be done when these guys are dead.
post #123 of 355
I still laugh every time I think about the end of the previous episode with Masuka pantomiming his theory about what happened in Dexter's constructed crime scene. Dexter's voiceover, Debra's disgust, and Masuka's absolute zeal in getting the chance to share his "knowledge" with everyone was a joy to watch. The fact that you DON'T hear what he's saying makes it much, much nastier. Probably the funniest moment in the entire series, although I'm fond of Doakes' many, many fuck you's to Dexter. In some ways, this was the turning point in the season for me. And probably just for me.

Anyway...

I'm starting to like Lumen.

Is this Irish nanny thing going somewhere? If it was connected to Lila, I'd assume we would be getting more movement on that storyline by now.

I actually like Quinn getting involved with Debra; it seems like it'll set up a very sticky ending for all parties involved...

I like the slow integration of Weller into the story; less is more. I'm assuming he'll become more prominent as his investigation goes on.

This feels like this could be the last season if all these separate storylines converge...although who really gives a shit about the "Los hermanos serial killers" and Angel and Maria (as a couple)? Not me.
post #124 of 355
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I like the show. It works well enough when you whizz through a season and its ridiculous nature can be fun viewing. But it seriously has the worst secondary characters of any tv I regularly watch. Laguerta...jesus.
SERIOUSLY! Can't they just kill off Batista and Laguerta already? I feel like I'm being forced to watch parts of an entirely different and incredibly boring show every time they are on screen. This last episode especially was irritating, Laguerta's incompetence and denial that she did anything wrong make me want to kick her.

Lumen is starting to grow on me now, however. Sure she makes rash and horrible decisions but it makes sense for the character. How logically would anyone here be thinking after being tortured and gang raped for however many days she was held captive? The girl is half insane and severly traumatized, so of course she isn't playing with a full deck. I find Dexter's fatherly attitude toward her kind of endearing.
post #125 of 355
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I actually like Quinn getting involved with Debra; it seems like it'll set up a very sticky ending for all parties involved...
I'm enjoying their interactions too, and I can't wait for things to inevitably blow up and go to hell. Debra's line about going to Disneyland and holding hands and Quinn's confused reaction made me laugh pretty hard.
post #126 of 355
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I still laugh every time I think about the end of the previous episode with Masuka pantomiming his theory about what happened in Dexter's constructed crime scene. Dexter's voiceover, Debra's disgust, and Masuka's absolute zeal in getting the chance to share his "knowledge" with everyone was a joy to watch. The fact that you DON'T hear what he's saying makes it much, much nastier. Probably the funniest moment in the entire series, although I'm fond of Doakes' many, many fuck you's to Dexter. In some ways, this was the turning point in the season for me. And probably just for me.
post #127 of 355
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This last episode especially was irritating, Laguerta's incompetence and denial that she did anything wrong make me want to kick her.
While I'm all for killing her boring ass off the show, her denial about doing anything wrong was the first interesting thing she's done in like three seasons. I still get bored off my ass regarding every single thing involving her, but at least being a soulless ass-covering ladder-climbing political animal who refuses to take the blame for anything that might hurt her reputation is interesting and makes her resemble an actual character.

That bit with Quinn not getting Deb's Disneyland line killed me, too.
post #128 of 355
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Dexter's been trying to save Lumen from becoming like him, until he realized that she already is.
Yeah. There was that great line that deserves to be mentioned (and which I know I'm remembering wrong): "Some events are so big they change your DNA."

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This feels like this could be the last season if all these separate storylines converge...
I dunno, if it was the last season wouldn't Showtime have confirmed that by now?

Agreed on the LOLs for Quinn/Disneyland line, and Masuka's wordless reenactment at the "autoerotic mummification" murder scene. CS Lee really is brilliant, 5 seasons in and his character should be the TOKEN WACKY OFFICE JOKER that we cringe at worse than when they give us fresh Laguerta/Batista soap bullshit, but no: he's still gold.
post #129 of 355
Ooo, that was a good one. Reminded me of some of my favorites. Very tense in the hotel room, and Dexter saving the day with his badass self. Lt Bitch selling out someone reminds me of her earlier days. Also liked Angel's talk with Deb at the end. Never liked those two together. And last but not least the last shot gave me a shot of excitement/dread like in the good old days.
post #130 of 355
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Ooo, that was a good one. Reminded me of some of my favorites. Very tense in the hotel room, and Dexter saving the day with his badass self. Lt Bitch selling out someone reminds me of her earlier days. Also liked Angel's talk with Deb at the end. Never liked those two together. And last but not least the last shot gave me a shot of excitement/dread like in the good old days.
Only thing about La Guerta selling out Deb is that...Deb told her to. She was probably just pissed she wasn't warned first.

Masterful pacing throughout the episode. I actually got really tense when Cole started stalking Cole like the Terminator through the hotel.

Lumen's a great character. Dexter has always struggled with whether or not he's good or evil and Lumen has been through such hell that she can't help but look at Dexter's bloodlust as a rational solution in an insane world. Notice the lack of Harry since he and Lumen have connected.

Finally, I like to imagine Johnny Lee Miller is playing his Eli Stone character and this is a really dark sequel.
post #131 of 355
THAT IS THE GOD DAMN DEXTER I REMEMBER!

Sorry, it's just that that was the first time I've been positively riveted all season long.
post #132 of 355
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THAT IS THE GOD DAMN DEXTER I REMEMBER!

Sorry, it's just that that was the first time I've been positively riveted all season long.
Yeah, I have to agree. That was a very good episode last night. At first, when Cole saw Lumen, I thought "Well, that's it...the writers are taking the easy way out and killing her," but that wasn't the case and I was very surprised (even though her rescue was a little deus ex machina).

Peter Weller is an excellent addition to the show. He could end up being a real foil for Dexter and Quinn. Quinn will end up seriously regretting his decision to turn him loose. Pretty good stuff.

And finally, this episode shows why, in relationships, it's important to have mutual interests and activities.
post #133 of 355
I was really pleased with this episode as well. I was beginning to get worried that Weller's stunt casting was not going to pan out to anything, but he's really starting to shine. The coffee pot scene was pretty great (though Quinn needs to stop shopping at the Dollar Tree for his appliances). I am also really starting to warm to Lumen. Stiles has never been one of my favorite actresses but she's doing some interesting work. It's nice to see some of the problems folks on the board are having with her relatioship with Dexter get addressed as the season goes on. I hate to say it but I really hope that the series breaks the (by now rote and dull) precedent of offing anyone "in" on Dexter's secret. I'm sure this will end badly for all concerned but I just don't want it to. I hope this last episode is indicative of where the season is heading now.
post #134 of 355
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Only thing about La Guerta selling out Deb is that...Deb told her to. She was probably just pissed she wasn't warned first.
Well, that's not really what Deb was saying. She said if you have to sell someone out, it should be me (bitch, I heard that in her mind). She made it clear that Lt Bitch should take responsibility, but seeing that was slipping away, she urged her to just stick together and it would all blow over. Just the way I read that scene.
post #135 of 355
"Lumen Pierce. Luuuumen. Stupid fucking name."

I could watch a whole show of Weller talking about how stupid other people's names are. Things are really cooking now. Hall is a consistently amazing actor, but he was especially great when opening up to Lumen during the kill scene.
post #136 of 355
SPOILERS for anyone who didn't see the preview for next week:

I sure hope that the "Weller breaks into Dexter's house and Lumen thinks its one of the rapists so she stabs him to death thus putting an abrupt end to the Weller character before he has a chance to have any screen time with Hall" scenario doesn't play out as it looks like it will....
post #137 of 355
Yes im scared of that OR he kills lumen. I hope that none of the abovie happens. It would be nice if someone else knew Dexter's secret and actaulyl made it through the season.

Also it's funny but this seems to happen every season except for the 2nd. Everyone bitches for the first 5 episdes but as things get closer to the end everyone gushes, it's great.

Although I do have very slight disappointment in Cole's death. They made sure to tell us that he was a dangerous ex marine who got kicked out for being a bad ass. He was pretty simply taken down by Dexter.
post #138 of 355
God, please let them spare Weller and give him his own series.
post #139 of 355
I'm still surprised that they kinda glossed over Dexter's first (that we know of) killing of an innocent from last season. I mean, he got karmic punishment I guess by losing Rita, but it was just sort of used as a shock ending of an episode then back to normal the next.
post #140 of 355
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I'm still surprised that they kinda glossed over Dexter's first (that we know of) killing of an innocent from last season. I mean, he got karmic punishment I guess by losing Rita, but it was just sort of used as a shock ending of an episode then back to normal the next.
That kill last season was to show how sloppy he was getting.
post #141 of 355
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That kill last season was to show how sloppy he was getting.
True, but it also gets close to that fine line Ali mentioned too. the crusty pirate dude Dexter killed early this season was an asshole, just like last season's photographer, but being an asshole is a lot different from being a killer.
post #142 of 355
They didn't gloss over anything. I've said before, Dexter isn't the Punisher. He's a sociopath who kills people for fun. That they happen to be bad guys is a bonus. He's not going to bother himself too much with one douchebag, however innocent, getting killed. That wouldn't be very sociopathic of him.

And I really like seeing Dexter get infatuated and connecting with someone. The kill, with both looking into each other's eyes was really well done. Weller of course is excellent as the father of all sleazebags and will surely die by either Lumen's or Quinn's hands. For sure.

Finally, could Lumen's fiancée be any more white? He'd be great as the preppy antagonist in an 80s college comedy. I'd love to see the casting call for his role.
post #143 of 355
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They didn't gloss over anything. I've said before, Dexter isn't the Punisher. He's a sociopath who kills people for fun. That they happen to be bad guys is a bonus. He's not going to bother himself too much with one douchebag, however innocent, getting killed. That wouldn't be very sociopathic of him.

And I really like seeing Dexter get infatuated and connecting with someone. The kill, with both looking into each other's eyes was really well done. Weller of course is excellent as the father of all sleazebags and will surely die by either Lumen's or Quinn's hands. For sure.

Finally, could Lumen's fiancée be any more white? He'd be great as the preppy antagonist in an 80s college comedy. I'd love to see the casting call for his role.
Yet, somehow, he personified Lumen's Minnesota life, pre-rape and torture, perfectly.

And you're exactly right about the way Dexter does things. The only thing he should think is that an innocent guy will be more missed than a scumbag(Though, that's not always true. Remember in the pilot when the wife of that priest he killed is at the police station?)
post #144 of 355
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Finally, could Lumen's fiancée be any more white? He'd be great as the preppy antagonist in an 80s college comedy. I'd love to see the casting call for his role.
I was laughing at that. Looking like they came out of some Aryan break off compound.
post #145 of 355
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Also it's funny but this seems to happen every season except for the 2nd. Everyone bitches for the first 5 episdes but as things get closer to the end everyone gushes, it's great.

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Waaaaaaaaaalt, you are 110% correct on that score. I keep on getting to the point of giving up on this show about midway through every season then I change my tune as it starts ramping up for the big denoument. I hate being so predictable! The only season this hasn't happened with the exception of the first is Season 4. I'm a sucker for John Lithgow.
post #146 of 355
Well yeah I am included in everyone.
post #147 of 355
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Only thing about La Guerta selling out Deb is that...Deb told her to. She was probably just pissed she wasn't warned first.
The impression I got is that while Deb was willing to be the face put on the mistake she was still expectin LaGuerta to take SOME of the blame. I have to rewatch the episode but didn't she say some line about them having to weather the storm together and stay strong?

Also, it's possible Deb didn't really believe LaGuerta would do something so horrible and thought doing the noble thing and being willing to sacrifice herself would wake LaGuerta up and force her to do the right thing herself. No such luck. And yeah, getting no warning at all probably didn't help things.

Seriously, what a BITCH! I HATE her, I hope this season ends with LaGuerta getting chopped into little pieces. I suspect Angel is having some serious doubts about marrying that tacky fashion disaster. She's a Lieutenant but she looks like she should be doing nails in her basement.
post #148 of 355
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Yes im scared of that OR he kills lumen. I hope that none of the abovie happens. It would be nice if someone else knew Dexter's secret and actaulyl made it through the season.

Also it's funny but this seems to happen every season except for the 2nd. Everyone bitches for the first 5 episdes but as things get closer to the end everyone gushes, it's great.

Although I do have very slight disappointment in Cole's death. They made sure to tell us that he was a dangerous ex marine who got kicked out for being a bad ass. He was pretty simply taken down by Dexter.
Cole did die sooner than I thought he would but the whole scene was still thrilling for me at least. I was so scared for Lumen I almost couldn't watch, it was the fear of her being killed or possibly being captured and raped again that made the scene work. He didn't end up pulling any surprise ninja moves but I still thought he was a very effective and scary villain.

And speaking of Lumen, I have to give Julia Stiles credit for that scene where Jordan was fucking the screaming hooker in his hotel room and she was on the floor totally traumatized and desperately trying to shut the noise out. Amazing acting, she's really starting to grow on me.

And Dexter helping her cover her ears and go to her safe place was just touching. I'm really curious if their relationship will ever become sexual or not, I kind of doubt it.
post #149 of 355
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Seriously, what a BITCH! I HATE her, I hope this season ends with LaGuerta getting chopped into little pieces. I suspect Angel is having some serious doubts about marrying that tacky fashion disaster. She's a Lieutenant but she looks like she should be doing nails in her basement.
It's kinda odd for me, at least.. since I had a MAJOR case of the hots for Lauren Velez back when she was on Oz, now I want to change the channel every time she shows up on screen.

Speaking of Oz.. man, I'd LOVE to see Dean Winters score a role as a potential rival for Dex. He seems like a natural fit for the show, which already has a track record of using Oz actors. While he's at it, he can harass LaGuerta for old times sake.
post #150 of 355
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I suspect Angel is having some serious doubts about marrying that tacky fashion disaster.
LOL

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And Dexter helping her cover her ears and go to her safe place was just touching. I'm really curious if their relationship will ever become sexual or not, I kind of doubt it.
Dexter comforting Lumen during that scene was quite moving, as was his opening up to her thus showing us that he's finally found someone he can be his true self with... but then they cut to a different view and the audience is reminded that they're having a moment while STANDING OVER A GUY THAT DEXTER JUST MURDERED. That's what's great about this show, it fucks with you. See also people looking at Dexter as some kind of wish-fulfilment vigilante character, but then he goes and kills an innocent person by mistake and it's like no biggie for him (if the Punisher ever did that, he'd either turn himself in or blow his own head off)

As for Dexter and Lumen becoming sexual, for a minute I actually thought they were going to do it right there on the plastic, on some kind of post kill high. Remembering that time in season one when Dex couldn't get it up for Rita, until he went out and killed someone then rushed back home for some nookie. It really is a testament to Hall's brilliance as an actor that he can make us like a character who is so utterly fucking creepy.

Oh and didn't see this scene mentioned yet: I loved last episode when Deb told Dexter that she had no sorrow or remorse about shooting a guy dead, and you could tell by Dexter's face that he got a twisted little glimmer of hope from it.
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