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post #51 of 81
7/25/10 at 6:21am
No Norton? Boo!
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post #52 of 81
7/25/10 at 8:07am
Norton was fine, but he also didn't have as much meat on his iteration of the character to work with as Bana did. I'm sad the continuity for the Hulk onscreen is about to get fucked up yet again, but hang anyone who even hints Ruffalo doesn't deserve his shot at the big leagues.

On that same note, holy shit, Joss Whedon has got a hell of a job ahead of him.
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post #53 of 81
7/25/10 at 8:41am
AVENGERS ASSEMBLE...Indeed! The Greatest...Superhero team in comics, will be...MARVELously showcased on the silver screen in 2012! While I will miss seeing, Wasp, and one of Hank Pym's many superhero identities, I love the fact that Hawkeye is being included. Black Widow is not a...Flunkie. She is Fury's right hand woman, and he is director of...S.H.I.E.L.D. one of the most powerful, of Marvel's non-powered heroes.
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post #54 of 81
7/25/10 at 9:02am
1) Thrilled about Ruffalo. Loved Norton, but in this case, love Ruffalo more.

2) The fulcrum of the Avengers is Cap. If Evans nails it, then RDJ and Evans will be fine.

3) DC should be scared? Yeah, with the third and final Nolan Batman film hitting also hitting in 2012, I'm sure they are worried. Yeah, that is all they got, but it has been enough for quite a while.

4) Awesome to see RDJ push on the fans a bit for Ruffalo. He's got the juice, might as well use it for good.
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post #55 of 81
7/25/10 at 9:03am
Younger chewers may not feel it but as someone first getting into movies during the eighties the fact that we're getting a big budget tent-pole movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow still seems unbelievable to me. Seriously. I'll be watching this and still shake my head in disbelief.
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post #56 of 81
7/25/10 at 9:56am
Several of my favorite actors are on that stage, and still, my excitement is almost as perceptible as a flea on an elephant's nutsack.
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post #57 of 81
7/25/10 at 10:09am
What I find so incredible about this is that Marvel don't have to do this.
They could easily coast along on the success of Iron Man and throw out a standalone B-tier character movie every year or so. A huge amount of effort has gone into doing something seriously unique and exciting. That demands respect.

The contracts are signed and the "business" side of it is done. The rest is in Whedon's hands. The script will make or break it.
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post #58 of 81
7/25/10 at 10:14am
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Younger chewers may not feel it but as someone first getting into movies during the eighties the fact that we're getting a big budget tent-pole movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow still seems unbelievable to me. Seriously. I'll be watching this and still shake my head in disbelief.
This. I still remember seeing a poster in the local theatre lobby for the 1990 Captain America, and the fact that I'm two years away from seeing an Avengers movie on top of a Cap and Thor film next summer blows my damn mind.

I'd probably really enjoy it more if I was a Marvel fanboy, but oh well. (Really hoping GL does well so that I can irrationally judge the development of a Flash film every step of the way.)
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post #59 of 81
7/25/10 at 10:47am
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It's about continuity, which was one of the big cool ideas about this whole Avengers experiment from the beginning. If they got the entire original setup back together, and it seems like they were one Norton away from pulling it off, that would have been unprecedented. It also suggests, along with the T Howard and Favreau debacles over Iron Man 2, that Marvel is super willing to throw away talent if it gets too mouthy, which isn't the greatest situation for creativity to bloom in.
Yes, all of this.

Whedon was presumably brought on board because he's good with ensembles. I think there are ways of juggling this cast in a streamlined story, especially since there are obvious roles for the various characters to play (doing a Justice League flick would be much tougher). As I've said before, much as I loathe Mark Millar's The Ultimates, it does provide a potentially useful plot skeleton for the movie: bring the "big three" of Cap, Thor and Iron Man together to fight the Hulk for the first act, while the other characters (who all have an "espionage" bent) do some investigation of the Skrull invasion in the background. (It is the Skrulls who are going to be the baddies, right?) Then, once the Hulk is captured, have the invasion begin in earnest.
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post #60 of 81
7/25/10 at 11:02am
I still find it hard to believe that I live in a world where this is being made.

Damn I wish I had been there.
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post #61 of 81
7/25/10 at 11:24am
Pretty cool. Any problems I have with the Banner role are more due to me being a continuity whore than particularly loving Norton in the role. Ruffalo will be fine, but it's still a bit annoying to my geek brain.

Anyone got a link to a larger version of the image?
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post #62 of 81
7/25/10 at 6:20pm
I'm one of those annoying Buffy/Angel/Firefly fans. Hearing that Joss Whedon is directing is all I needed to hear.

To show I can be objective; I'm no fan of Alien 4.
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post #63 of 81
7/25/10 at 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Younger chewers may not feel it but as someone first getting into movies during the eighties the fact that we're getting a big budget tent-pole movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow still seems unbelievable to me. Seriously. I'll be watching this and still shake my head in disbelief.
Shit man, my inner child still can't get over the first X-Men movie. I still remember renting the Lundgren Punisher and the STV Captain America movie.
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post #64 of 81
7/25/10 at 6:40pm
STV Captain America.. How cheesy/awesome that film is. I wonder if the new film will have him committing Grand Theft Auto..
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post #65 of 81
7/25/10 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post
My reservations about the recast, minor though they are, have pretty much nothing to do with Norton over Ruffalo or Bana. In fact, I put all three at about the same echelon, for what they bring to a role. Furthermore, I don't really care about the Hulk, and I care even less about Banner.

It's about continuity, which was one of the big cool ideas about this whole Avengers experiment from the beginning. If they got the entire original setup back together, and it seems like they were one Norton away from pulling it off, that would have been unprecedented. It also suggests, along with the T Howard and Favreau debacles over Iron Man 2, that Marvel is super willing to throw away talent if it gets too mouthy, which isn't the greatest situation for creativity to bloom in.
This is pretty much how I feel about it. Not only is it weird having the role change hands every film, but it completely fucks up the build up to the main event. If this were a completely separate franchise that just happened to take place in a share universe with the leads of the other franchise, it wouldn't be a big thing. But they've made the build up to this movie a major part of each individual film and they did that to stress the continuity of the overall storyline and the synergy of each of the properties. Norton was a major part of build-up. Not bringing him back does some damage to it.

The clashes with Feige were taking place early enough to for them to work out some kind of backup plan. If they were intent on ditching Norton after he tried to go toe-to-toe with the brass, they really ought to have gone all the way, ditched the separate origin story, and made the last film a direct sequel to Lee's film. That way, it would have at least been less tied to Norton as a separate Avengers-centric property.
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post #66 of 81
7/25/10 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by MoonBaseNick View Post
STV Captain America.. How cheesy/awesome that film is. I wonder if the new film will have him committing Grand Theft Auto..
That's the best scene in the movie!!! I will freak the fuck out if Cap steals Ned Betty's car by faking motion sickness.
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post #67 of 81
7/25/10 at 8:47pm
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That's the best scene in the movie!!! I will freak the fuck out if Cap steals Ned Betty's car by faking motion sickness.
If this happens, I'm standing up in the theater and giving it a round of applause.

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post #68 of 81
7/25/10 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
Younger chewers may not feel it but as someone first getting into movies during the eighties the fact that we're getting a big budget tent-pole movie with Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Hawkeye, Nick Fury and Black Widow still seems unbelievable to me. Seriously. I'll be watching this and still shake my head in disbelief.
As someone of the same age who grew up with the old live action Amazing Spider-Man TV movies as the closest thing we got to superhero films I have to agree.

It's a shame tho, this is the first time I've really felt the sting of not being a huge Marvel geek. It's cool seeing all those great actors onstage together and I'm really interested to see how all these movies and the eventual Avengers film turn out, but it's from a pretty removed, clinical distance for me.

Now if that were the Justice League up there, I'd be fucking beside myself.
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post #69 of 81
7/25/10 at 11:09pm
And that's my problem. DC could have just as easily have said "Here is the director of Superman!" as well as announced at least Batman 3 and brought Nolan out, especially with Inception winning its 2nd weekend.

Excited about the Avengers film. Actually have one of those cast pics as my wallpaper right now.
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post #70 of 81
7/25/10 at 11:10pm
This is the geek equivalent of introducing the first seven Mercury astronauts.
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post #71 of 81
7/26/10 at 9:53am
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As someone of the same age who grew up with the old live action Amazing Spider-Man TV movies as the closest thing we got to superhero films I have to agree.
The horror! The horror!

Someone should officially crown RDJ as supreme overlord of nerdom, though. I was watching the video of the introduction and he was fucking playing the whole hall like Paganini.

Edited to add link to the video.
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post #72 of 81
7/26/10 at 9:58am
Hemsworth is HUGE. What a great photo - Ruffalo fits right in. They've cast so well, it astonishes me that people knock Marvel for their relationships with actors.
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post #73 of 81
7/26/10 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post

Edited to add link to the video.
thanks.
Take a look at Robert playing with ScaJo shoulder...
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post #74 of 81
7/26/10 at 11:55am
I'm actually kind of glad Norton's been replaced by Ruffalo. Norton's a great actor, but so is Ruffalo and I feel like Ruffalo's actually in more movies I enjoy. Plus I found the Incredible Hulk to be an extremely mediocre film, and not one I'd really like to rewatch, so with Ruffalo taking over I won't feel the need to leading up to the Avengers.
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post #75 of 81
7/26/10 at 1:46pm
As a Marvel fan since the 80's, looking at the ensemble cast of the Avengers on the platform makes me feel like a kid in a candy store. Seriously, the impossible will finally become a reality; we are getting the Avengers movie! Capt. America, Iron Man, Thor, Fury, and the Earth's Mightiest Heroes together under one roof. I don't care if the JLA movie ever happen, because this one just blows the mind. And if we get to see Thanos & the Infinity Gauntlet in this movie, then they just multiply all the awesomeness by a million. I'm def. having a geeked-out moment thinking about this.
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post #76 of 81
7/26/10 at 2:03pm
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Now if that were the Justice League up there, I'd be fucking beside myself.
I think you'll get that sooner than you think. WB has been pretty open about recognizing that the Marvel model is a good way to develop their DC properties--particularly since a single blockbuster can generate more cash for them than DC itself does--and by the end of this decade they'll have three of the classic members of JLA in their own franchises, assuming Green Lantern doesn't bomb. That's a pretty solid setup for a JLA movie, especially if they manage to get the Wonder Woman and Aquaman films out of development Hell.

Once the third Batman movie is out and Nolan is simply the producer of the Batman and Superman franchises, if The Avengers doesn't prove to be the nerd version of The Bonfire of the Vanities, I think we'll see DC roll out a JLA franchise.
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post #77 of 81
7/26/10 at 2:50pm
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Originally Posted by Double Ought Sven View Post
Ruffalo and Renner are right down Whedon Street. One's sensitive and uncomfortable in his own skin, the other a laconic badass. Whedon will have fun playing with and against type for both.

Now the real question: who does he unceremoniously kill in the third act?
Coulson's a dead man/a mole. He's the connective tissue between the characters in their separate films. Killing him/revealing him as an enemy agent is just "big" enough to have some degree of impact on the audience, since they'll be familiar with him from his other appearances.

Plus, Whedon jus' plain loves killin' folk and I doubt he'll get away with offing Bruce Banner.

I'm more of a JLA guy than an Avengers guy but I'm pre-sold on this. I've enjoyed all the Marvel films so far, to varying degrees, and I'm a Whedon fan. Barring some monumental screwup this is going to be a good time at the movies for me.
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post #78 of 81
7/26/10 at 5:39pm
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People always seem to bitch about multiple villains and how they fuck up movies. What about multiple heroes?
I think mulitiple heros can work well if they are working together as a team toward a single goal. Almost like a superhero Ocean's Eleven.

I think too many villains have a tendancy to make the goal unfocused and confusing.
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post #79 of 81
7/26/10 at 6:01pm
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Originally Posted by NoahtheStud View Post
I think mulitiple heros can work well if they are working together as a team toward a single goal. Almost like a superhero Ocean's Eleven.
Precisely. Or any "men on a mission" movie ever made.
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post #80 of 81
7/27/10 at 9:17am
Ocean's Eleven is the perfect example. Cap is Clooney, Stark is Pitt, Thor is Damon (I guess...)

Give the main players the spotlight but make sure each member gets a chance to shine. ie: Hawkeye gets his Legolas moment etc.
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post #81 of 81
9/27/10 at 9:58pm
It doesn't matter if you had read film news today or not but there's a piece over there that made me think the action pieces could resemble The Hurt Locker ones: characters talking a lot during some tense action.
Any guess regarding the style?
BTW, I just realized this is the opposite direction Favreau's IM2 took for the last confrontation.
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