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post #51 of 185
I've been visiting chud and the forums for years, but haven't actually written anything - can't think of a good reason why, I've just been lazy - but this news is simply too cool to not post about. I actually finished re-reading the book a mere week ago, so the timing was really perfect. Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!
post #52 of 185
Unsurprisingly this thread shot to 50 in no time flat and I'm sure I'm just repeating the first page when I express my joy at this news, but-- good God I couldn't be more enthusiastic to hear that del Toro is finally getting the chance to bring this movie to life. As much as I'm dying to see The Hobbit, I'm totally happy with him leaving that film and directing this one. Great news for del Toro, great news for us.
post #53 of 185
Damn. I was hoping the announcement was going to be that GdT would be adapting that one ride at carnivals where you sit in a cup and it spins around. That wwould be perfect for his sensibilities. Oh well, this is still clearly an awesome thing.
post #54 of 185
I'm admittedly somewhat excited for this. Del Toro has a great visual imagination, and matched with Lovecraft's bizarre visuals, this movie should look great.

But I have to admit, I didn't love the script. Rather than going for the slow-boiling terror of Lovecraft's novel, it goes for borderline zany action antics, and takes a significant enough page from Carpenter's THE THING to be considered a kind of rip-off. The whole thing ends up playing like a horror-flavored version of Jackson's KING KONG.

Now, that alone will be better than much of the horror cinema we've been getting these days. But still, it wasn't the surefire masterpiece I was hoping for.
post #55 of 185
Makes me insanely happy. Been waiting for this for about 20 years.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
post #56 of 185
On hearing the news I stood up and did a little dance. I feared, with The Hobbit falling through, that Del Toro wouldn't have the clout to get this movie made as soon as I'd like - looks like I'm getting it even sooner! Someone up there liked me. I suspect it's Cthulhu.
post #57 of 185
How much creative input would Cameron have on this? Would he just be giving his name tor its marketability? Financing? Letting GdT borrow a few of his fancy-pants 3D cameras?

...oh, what do I care. WANT! WANT! WANT!
post #58 of 185
I'm curious how the mainstream public will respond to Lovecraft, as a writer and as a person. If this is the big movie that I think it will be, marketing's going to have to work overtime to sell this to the masses, and Lovecraft at the very least was an odd duck.

Of course, if you're in any kind of fandom and you don't know who H.P. Lovecraft is, Miskatonic University doesn't have online courses, pal. You've got to get elbow-deep into the plasm.
post #59 of 185
Using 3D to enhance the weird impossibility of the city is such a great idea... God this news is amazing.
post #60 of 185
I'm so happy all those sacrifices finally paid off!

I'm typically against 3D, but all of the crap 3D movies are worth it for a 3D Shoggoth. Between that and the possibilities for the architecture, I am positively giddy. It's like fucking Christmas in July only better since Cthulhu trumps Jehova by every conceivable measure.
post #61 of 185
While I can't be anything but enthusiastic for any new Del Toro project, especially one that he is so passionate about, I simply do not understand the love for "At the Mountains of Madness". I've always found it to be one of the more boring Lovecraft stories. As has been mentioned, almost nothing happens until the end. There are some interesting beats, but it's mostly an 120-page history lesson on the Cthulhu mythos (sans Cthulhu) steeped in Lovecraft's obtuse and oft clunky language. And I say this as a big fan of Lovecraft.

I have nothing but faith in Del Toro, but am having difficulty seeing how this could be anything other than a Lovecrafted version of Carpenter's The Thing.
post #62 of 185
GdT will likely have to go off the path when it comes to the story. It's Lovecraft's mythos and I don't see a big-budget franchise out of these stories, not if you want to stay true to the vision, so I'd imagine GdT will throw everything he can into it.
post #63 of 185
This is going to be amazing! Great news indeed. If anyone can give us a glimpse at things best left unknown, it's Del Toro. I look forward to hopefully being driven insane by the time this winds down.
post #64 of 185
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Yeah, just yeah.
2012 already looks awesome.
This is what worries me. 2012. 3D my ass. Every screen showing this movie will be some kind of new JC invented 5D portal to the Cthulhu Citadel he discovered on one of his abyssal jaunts under the sea. Those tentacles coming at us will be real fucking tentacles.

Those tentacles will do to our souls what GDT did to Nick's nipple.
post #65 of 185
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Originally Posted by Nick Nunziata View Post
At Comic Con, I was granted this pearl of info from the man himself
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Originally Posted by mcnooj82 View Post
Nick, was THIS the big horror movie project that he couldn't specify at the DBAOTD panel?
It's the first thing that popped into my head at the panel.
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Originally Posted by tommy five-tone View Post
Hot damn.

And don't be whining about the 3D. It's being shot in 3D, not converted in post. I get the feeling it's gonna look freakin' magnificent.
Hot damn indeed. Magnificent? We'll all probably shit ourselves from fear.
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Originally Posted by Uth Vaspetad View Post
I was just looking for this in one of my Lovecraft anthologies and was really bummed that it wasn't in either of them.

Thanks!
Last year I picked up a nice hardbound edition of Necronomicon: The Best Weird Tales of H. P. Lovecraft. Beautiful and thorough.
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Originally Posted by BruceL View Post
Damn. I was hoping the announcement was going to be that GdT would be adapting that one ride at carnivals where you sit in a cup and it spins around. That wwould be perfect for his sensibilities. Oh well, this is still clearly an awesome thing.
Well, he is re-imagining THE HAUNTED MANSION at some point.
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post
I'm admittedly somewhat excited for this. Del Toro has a great visual imagination, and matched with Lovecraft's bizarre visuals, this movie should look great.

But I have to admit, I didn't love the script. Rather than going for the slow-boiling terror of Lovecraft's novel, it goes for borderline zany action antics, and takes a significant enough page from Carpenter's THE THING to be considered a kind of rip-off. The whole thing ends up playing like a horror-flavored version of Jackson's KING KONG.

Now, that alone will be better than much of the horror cinema we've been getting these days. But still, it wasn't the surefire masterpiece I was hoping for.
Some would say that both KONG and THE THING owe lot to Lovecraft's original text. SO the comparisons aren't surprising.
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
While I can't be anything but enthusiastic for any new Del Toro project, especially one that he is so passionate about, I simply do not understand the love for "At the Mountains of Madness". I've always found it to be one of the more boring Lovecraft stories. As has been mentioned, almost nothing happens until the end. There are some interesting beats, but it's mostly an 120-page history lesson on the Cthulhu mythos (sans Cthulhu) steeped in Lovecraft's obtuse and oft clunky language. And I say this as a big fan of Lovecraft.

I have nothing but faith in Del Toro, but am having difficulty seeing how this could be anything other than a Lovecrafted version of Carpenter's The Thing.
Del Toro's got a huuuuuuuuuge imagination and and a whole public domain mythos to mine from. I'm sure it won't be a straight adaptation. It's too short of a story for that.
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
GdT will likely have to go off the path when it comes to the story. It's Lovecraft's mythos and I don't see a big-budget franchise out of these stories, not if you want to stay true to the vision, so I'd imagine GdT will throw everything he can into it.
Exactly.
post #66 of 185
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Well, he is re-imagining THE HAUNTED MANSION at some point.
If you'll recall, and I may be mistaken, BruceL is the one who has a huge bug up his ass about Del Toro's involvement in the Haunted Mansion. His post was his version of sarcasm. Check your detector.
post #67 of 185
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
I'm curious how the mainstream public will respond to Lovecraft, as a writer and as a person.
I doubt that the mainstream public knows anything about either the writer or the man and will not care to educate themselves even if At the Mountains of Madness becomes a minor hit. That said I'd be really interested in seeing how those few who do crack a book react to learning what an absolute whack-job he was, and most of all I look forward to hearing people puzzle over the incongruity of his anti-Semitic sentiments combined with his marriage to a Jewish woman.

As far as the novel being boring, well, I can't say that I agree at all. It's a slow roll, for certain, but there's a ton of delicious and tense build-up to the eventual fateful incursion into the city of the Elder Things that makes the wait entirely worthwhile. And yeah, what Darkmite and Alan said.
post #68 of 185
YES! Here's hoping he gets his two favorites, Ron Perlman and Doug Jones, in there somewhere. And this is a far better fit than The Hobbit, though I'm also looking forward to his Haunted Mansion.
post #69 of 185
In 1995 or 1996, I was taking an elective in college called "The Frontier in Literature, Film, and Pop Culture," which was all about stories set at some frontier, either literal or figurative. I vividly remember geeking out with my professor (probably the best one I had in my entire college career) when I told him that Del Toro had the rights to ATMOM. That's how long I've been waiting for this. Excited doesn't cover it. And using 3D for impossible architecture? Fuck. Yes.
post #70 of 185
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Originally Posted by The Prankster View Post
Very cool. I hope and expect GdT to really run wild with this, especially since, on the page, ATMOM isn't really that substantial--it's basically just the first half of ALIEN in Antarctica, and nothing really happens until the end. I would love to see Del Toro use the book as the starting point and then blow past it when they get to the dead city, adding all kinds of crazy Lovecraftian stuff, not just beasties but ancient gods and non-Euclidian geometry and architecture that can drive people insane. Cthulhu's not actually in the story, is he?
To me, it read more as an action movie version of Carpenter's The Thing, with the homages being a little too direct, in my opinion. I wouldn't call it a horror movie, though, but once the GDT visuals are factored in, I'm sure that'll change. This is the best news I've heard today, and it was a smart move partnering with Cameron. He'll make sure it gets the budget it needs and the 3D will be done right.
post #71 of 185
Action movie?
Who wrote this script? I can't imagine GdT wouldn't do a substantial pass over it before starting, considering how close he is to this project.
post #72 of 185
This news is awesome, couldn't be happier he's off THE HOBBIT now. And the news of Cameron's involvement is great too. Even it being in 3D -- great. Great great great.
post #73 of 185
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Originally Posted by Ryan Bean View Post
Action movie?
Yeah, it's pretty action-y. If I had any disappointment with Del Toro's script, that was it. I would have wanted something closer to the slow-building dread of Ridley Scott's ALIEN.

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Who wrote this script?
Del Toro with some other writer (forgetting the name right now).
post #74 of 185
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Action movie?
Who wrote this script? I can't imagine GdT wouldn't do a substantial pass over it before starting, considering how close he is to this project.
The one I read had Guillermo's name on it, but yeah it turns into an action film in the last act with what I assume is Ron Perlman's character shooting and blowing shit up while tossing out smart-ass quips. Up 'til that point it seemed to be a little too reminiscent of The Thing, so maybe that diluted the scares for me.

But it's one thing to read about giant albino Penguins, and quite another to imagine what the hell Guillermo's going to do with them. It all comes down to how it's handled, and I cannot friggin' wait to see his take on Cthulhu. Good Lord that will be a show stopper.
post #75 of 185
I'm sure the script you read will be re-written.
post #76 of 185
Finally.
As has already been said over and over, this more than makes up for him being taken off The Hobbit.
post #77 of 185
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post
I'm sure the script you read will be re-written.
Yes, I imagine it will be. And so it may be the case that the eventual project ends up looking quite different from the draft that has been circulating around the internet. That said, I suspect it will still retain the action-y vibe, even if some of the other aspects get shifted around.
post #78 of 185
I'm not trying to troll or start a flame war or anything like that, but can anybody seriously explain the appeal of Lovecraft to me?

I 'get' the concept, and the illustrations inspired from his works look awesome. This is also coming from a huge genre fan and horror fan. I'm also a huge reader, and I appreciate good writing. Stephen King was actually one of the first modern 'adult' authors whose books I picked up in Junior High.

Here's the thing: I gave Lovecraft a try and picked up an anthology of his novellas and short stories at my local library.
And all of them were nearly unreadable.

I thought the writing was awful. Character viewpoints are twice or thrice removed; the results of actions are shown, rather than the actual events; and actual sentence structure was turgid. Each line would go around and around, until it finally made a point a run-on sentence later.

And I don't get it.
post #79 of 185
The important thing will be character, and Del Toro never fails in that department. The characters might not have been there in that draft, but they'll be there in the film. I for one hope he doesn't put Perlman in the lead but rather someone with more gravitas like Michael Fassbender or something.
post #80 of 185
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Here's the thing: I gave Lovecraft a try and picked up an anthology of his novellas and short stories at my local library.
And all of them were nearly unreadable.
What anthology did you pick up? Some of his stories are barely readable and function as nothing more as a curiousity for the most diehard of Lovecraft fans. I'm thinking of the "Dreams of Terror and Death: The Dream Cycle of H.P. Lovecraft", in particular. But, yeah, even at the best of times, Lovecraft is not a wordsmith. I think his popularity is more a function of the epic scope he brought to bear on the world of horror fiction than anything else.
post #81 of 185
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Originally Posted by Johnny Tremaine View Post
I'm not trying to troll or start a flame war or anything like that, but can anybody seriously explain the appeal of Lovecraft to me?

I 'get' the concept, and the illustrations inspired from his works look awesome. This is also coming from a huge genre fan and horror fan. I'm also a huge reader, and I appreciate good writing. Stephen King was actually one of the first modern 'adult' authors whose books I picked up in Junior High.

Here's the thing: I gave Lovecraft a try and picked up an anthology of his novellas and short stories at my local library.
And all of them were nearly unreadable.

I thought the writing was awful. Character viewpoints are twice or thrice removed; the results of actions are shown, rather than the actual events; and the actual sentence structure was turgid. Each line would go around and around, until it finally made a point a run-on sentence later.

And I don't get it.
It's hard to explain, so I'll just say why Lovecraft appeals to me.

He's mostly a gateway to horror for a few people, like Stephen King was to my generation. King recommended Lovecraft in DANSE MACABRE, so I picked him up, and although the writing's clunky, the horror of the stories shone through for me. It's mostly suggested and not shown, although Lovecraft could bring the goods when he had to. My favorite Lovecraft stories were creepy and unnerving - like "The Shadow Over Innsmouth", where the lead character accepts his fate and goes willingly into it. "Pickman's Model" creeped me out too. "The Outsider" had a nice twist to it. They were frightening reads to me because I always respond better to suggested horror than out-and-out gore. As a writer, he's clunky to be sure, and his belief system and life are odd to say the least, but I was always a big fan of those writers like Lovecraft and Robert Howard and Fritz Leiber who really broke new ground in fantasy/horror writing. We wouldn't have Carpenter's THE THING or ALIEN if not for Lovecraft.
post #82 of 185
I've always felt the mythology Lovecraft came up with was more compelling than the stories he wrote about it.
post #83 of 185
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I've always felt the mythology Lovecraft came up with was more compelling than the stories he wrote about it.
Summed it up in one line better than I could.
post #84 of 185
It's practically impossible to over-estimate the impact Lovecraft has had on modern horror. And the more you get into horror literature, beyond the major names like King, the more pronounced it gets.

His prose is heavy handed, his beliefs are fucked up and he was a wreck of a human being in general. But I have yet to find a horror writer better able to convey dread than Lovecraft. He's the only one that made me put down a book and wait for the morning to finish it.
post #85 of 185
Question: Will this be a period piece? Or will it be altered so that it's set in the modern day? Was the existing script a period piece?
post #86 of 185
King had a short story in one of his recent collections that was an obvious modern take on a Lovecraft story, about a guy who thinks he's saving the world and keeping some unspeakable, giant eyed creature at bay in another dimension, by repeating a meaningless task in a remote Maine field.

I thought his take on Lovecraft was better than the actual Lovecraft stories I read.

Oh, and the anthology I picked out was, not sure of the publisher, but the really thick hardcover editions in all black and a b&w photo of the author on the cover. They have collection editions for every writer.
post #87 of 185
I agree with a lot of other people here. Love Lovecraft mythology and ideas but find his actually writing incredibly clunky and surprisingly dry. I alsways feel like I'm reading a textbook when I try to read him.
post #88 of 185
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Yeah, it's pretty action-y. If I had any disappointment with Del Toro's script, that was it. I would have wanted something closer to the slow-building dread of Ridley Scott's ALIEN.


Del Toro with some other writer (forgetting the name right now).
Matthew Robbins I think Nick said? Same one as the Dragonslayer writer/director?

Yeah, Lovecraft was a genius of a conceptualist. But that written version of over-educated verbal dissembling wasn't a crime unique to him back in the day.

Dan O'Bannon did a Lovecraft movie worth checking out called The Resurrected (or "Shatterbrain" - barf): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105242/
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I agree with a lot of other people here. Love Lovecraft mythology and ideas but find his actually writing incredibly clunky and surprisingly dry. I alsways feel like I'm reading a textbook when I try to read him.
My rule of thumb for good writing is inspired by what I learned from Strunk & White's 'Simple and Direct'. BTW, White in Strunk & White, was the famed children's book author E.B. White, of Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little fame. Stunk was an English Lit professor, at either Columbia or NYU.

Also, John Gardner's 'The Art of Fiction'.
post #90 of 185
I'll see it.
post #91 of 185
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I'll see it.
Oh, so will I, just because I love the concept of a large epic scale horror film.

BTW, wasn't Cloverfield, besides being a take on Godzilla or the Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, also fairly Lovecraft-ian in its concept?
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Question: Will this be a period piece? Or will it be altered so that it's set in the modern day? Was the existing script a period piece?
It's period.
post #93 of 185
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Originally Posted by Johnny Tremaine View Post
My rule of thumb for good writing is inspired by what I learned from Strunk & White's 'Simple and Direct'. BTW, White in Strunk & White, was the famed children's book author E.B. White, of Charlotte's Web and Stuart Little fame. Stunk was an English Lit professor, at either Columbia or NYU.

Also, John Gardner's 'The Art of Fiction'.

Do you mean Strunk & White's "Elements of Style"? I hadn't heard of their "Simple & Direct" so I had a quick look around but no luck. There's a writing guide called "Simple & Direct" by Jacques Barzun. Is that the one?

Very cool on White being EB White, never made that connection.
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Originally Posted by Nardo View Post
Do you mean Strunk & White's "Elements of Style"? I hadn't heard of their "Simple & Direct" so I had a quick look around but no luck. There's a writing guide called "Simple & Direct" by Jacques Barzun. Is that the one?

Very cool on White being EB White, never made that connection.
Yeah, Elements of Style by Strunk and White. Simple and Direct by Barzun.

I had a brain fart.
post #95 of 185
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Originally Posted by Johnny Tremaine View Post
King had a short story in one of his recent collections that was an obvious modern take on a Lovecraft story, about a guy who thinks he's saving the world and keeping some unspeakable, giant eyed creature at bay in another dimension, by repeating a meaningless task in a remote Maine field.
That was "N." from the "Just After Sunset" collection.
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I thought his take on Lovecraft was better than the actual Lovecraft stories I read.
That's because it was Lovecraft filtered through modern sensibilities and, let's face it, King's far easier to digest prose (in my humble opinion, obviously).
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Oh, and the anthology I picked out was, not sure of the publisher, but the really thick hardcover editions in all black and a b&w photo of the author on the cover. They have collection editions for every writer.
And, if you're not completely put off a second attempt, can I recommend "The Best of H.P. Lovecraft: Bloodcurdling Tales of Horror and the Macabre"? It's one of Ballantine's Lovecraft books that truly is a greatest hits. Yeah, the prose is clunky and Lovecraft is a bit racist and overly found of phrases like "eldritch horror", but the stories themselves are gems. "Pickman's Model" (a personal favorite), "Dreams in the Witch House" (another favorite), "The Call of Cthulhu", "The Whisperer in Darkness", etc. etc. What's more, it will truly help you appreciate the massive impact Lovecraft has had on horror and science fiction in the last 100 years or so.
post #96 of 185
There was also another King short story where he aped Lovecraft: I think it was from the Night Shift collection, but I could be wrong.

It was a pre-vampire 'Salem's Lot story, that if I remember correctly, took place in the 1800's, about the guy who bought the Marsden house, maybe Marsden himself (familiar to fans of 'Salem's Lot)?

I think the story was literally called, 'Jerusalem's Lot'.

Anyway, this guy stays in this big house, with funny things going on behind the walls and goes mad. Cue Lovecraftian horror...
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Originally Posted by Nardo View Post
Dan O'Bannon did a Lovecraft movie worth checking out called The Resurrected (or "Shatterbrain" - barf): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0105242/
Based on The Case of Charles Dexter Ward. Love that story. Re-read it recently and it still gave me the wllies.

Why do I love Lovecraft? Well besides the tone he sets and his mastery of dread and the respect I have for his wide-sweeping influence...

From the "Everywhere was creepier pre 1930" Creature Corner thread:
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Love the subject and love this period of horror (I also love this period for tales of sci-fi and stage magic).

I feel like in this time-period, myth and magic haven't been completely killed off yet by cold science. There was still alot of unknown out there. The KONG remake had to be set in the 30s. It was the last time there was anything really uncharted out there. This thread reminds me of a subject I always wanted to create a thread about. A subgenre of horror that I really dig (and related to all the Lovecraft mentions in here)...

Archeological Horror.

TEMPLE OF DOOM, HELLBOY, etc. I love the pulp adventure with blatant horror cross-genre elements. They go together so well.

In general: Evil lurking in ancient sunken cities, old temples, tombs. Long forgotten dieties, sleeping demons, cursed artifacts, monsters trapped from another bygone era just waiting for that foolish human to release them. Cults, vanished settlements, unexplored mountains/forests/caves, alchemy, idols. I like not knowing all the rules going in. That it requires actual discovery and research and bravery (moxy!) to delve into the mysteries. I like being shocked by the horror of other cultures and their myths/folklore that I haven't discovered or researched yet (one of the reasons I like foreign horror). I like horror stories to have a mythology behind them. A past.

Besides Lovecraft, Clive Barker excels at this (Hellraiser, Nightbreed, Lord of Illusions, yes even Rawhead Rex). His horror universes feel lived in and unique.

Yeah PHANTOMS was mostly crappy, but I dig the concept of a sleeping evil so ancient, it whiped out the dinosaurs long ago. And it's coming for us next.

EDIT: I adore the original Dracula and Frankenstein tales. On the cusp of scientific breakthroughs, but science was still a scary proposition at that point (and would be again when the atomic era came, and later genetics). It was almost like magic. Untapped power and potential. Would we weild it for evil, playing God and thusly damning ourselves (Frankenstein)? Or would we weild it for good, banishing superstition back into the shadows (Dracula)?
EDIT: King also did a story called Crouch End which was adapted in the NIGHTMARES AND DREAMSCAPES tv mini-series and wasn't bad. I was often reminded of King's universe with parallel dimensions and the thin(ny) gateways to them (The Mist, Dark Tower, The Talisman, etc). For that matter, Tommyknockers, IT, and others wouldn't have come about without Lovecraft's inspiration I'd gather.
post #98 of 185
King also wrote "Crouch End" which was pretty Lovecraftian if I remember correctly.

And Neil Gaiman wrote a Sherlock Holmes/Lovecraft story if you can believe it, that's actually really good. "A Study In Emerald." You can dl it for free off his website:

http://www.neilgaiman.com/mediafiles...es/emerald.pdf
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Originally Posted by Alan "Nordling" Cerny View Post
King also wrote "Crouch End" which was pretty Lovecraftian if I remember correctly.
VERY. I nearly beat you to it in my edit.
post #100 of 185
Nice! Don't remember Crouch End in Nightmares and Dreamscapes. Will have to pick up a copy.
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