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Neil Gaiman won is suit against Todd McFarlane

post #1 of 73
8/2/10 at 10:42pm
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From Maggie Tompson blog:

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The decision came in Case #02-CV-48-BBC, Neil Gaiman, Marvels & Miracles LLC vs. Todd McFarlane, Todd McFarlane Productions, TMP International and Image Comics. It had been determined that Neil Gaiman had been co-creator with Todd McFarlane of Spawn #9 and, with that issue, the characters of Count Cogliostro, Medieval Spawn, and warrior angel Angela. The current suit involved the ownership of characters that had appeared over the years in McFarlane's "Spawn" titles, specifically "Dark Ages Spawn" and warrior angels "Tiffany" and "Domina."
I just can't believe McFarlane's hypocrisy in this. When he started Image Comics he was always going on about how it was about the creators getting their due unlike Marvel who had screwed Jack Kirby over. Screw him.

I'm also amazed McFarlane is still in good financial health. People still like his crap?
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post #2 of 73
8/2/10 at 10:56pm
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I'm also amazed McFarlane is still in good financial health. People still like his crap?
It's less about staying relevant than in not being utterly stupid when you make millions of dollars.
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post #3 of 73
8/2/10 at 11:00pm
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It's less about staying relevant than in not being utterly stupid when you make millions of dollars.
Like buying baseballs for millions of dollars?
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post #4 of 73
8/2/10 at 11:09pm
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Like buying baseballs for millions of dollars?
Well, yeah, there's that. Dunno how much a property like Spawn is worth...plus he was a hot artist on non-creator owned stuff.
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post #5 of 73
8/2/10 at 11:12pm
Does anyone still buy his line of action figures? They used to be "the shit" back in the mid 90's.
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post #6 of 73
8/2/10 at 11:19pm
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I'm also amazed McFarlane is still in good financial health. People still like his crap?
His comics company is in bankruptcy, I believe.

My favorite part of the ruling:

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If defendant really wanted to differentiate the new Hellspawn, why not make him a
Portuguese explorer in the 16th century; an officer of the Royal Navy in the 18th century, an
idealistic recruit of Simon Bolivar in the 19th century, a companion of Odysseus on his
voyages, a Roman gladiator, a younger brother of Emperor Nakamikado in the early 18th
century, a Spanish conquistador, an aristocrat in the Qing dynasty, an American Indian
warrior or a member of the court of Queen Elizabeth I? It seems far more than coincidence
that Dark Ages (McFarlane) Spawn is a knight from the same century as Medieval (Gaiman)
Spawn.
U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb--best Spawn writer ever?
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post #7 of 73
8/3/10 at 12:32am


Frankly, I'm amazed that Marvel didn't hit him and Kirkman with a "cease and desist" over this one.
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post #8 of 73
8/3/10 at 12:37am
WTF is that?? Haunt looks like he's coming from his fingertips.
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post #9 of 73
8/3/10 at 5:38am
That Haunt ad looks like it's from early 90's Image, when they had virtually no graphic designers. Not to mention the character looks like shit.

That said, I kind of still like McFarlane as an artist. He was always different enough and detailed enough that I dug it, and even though his anatomy was horrible it still came off well(unlike Liefeld).

I know the courts are slow, but I'm amazed it took this long.
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post #10 of 73
8/3/10 at 5:54am
Gaiman said on his Twitter the other day: "A few people are asking why Todd & I didn't have contracts. We did. He just broke them."

lol
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post #11 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:02am
"warrior angels 'Tiffany' and 'Domino'"

Oh, Image Comics.
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post #12 of 73
8/3/10 at 2:13pm
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Frankly, I'm amazed that Marvel didn't hit him and Kirkman with a "cease and desist" over this one.
Jesus Christ, what's wrong with that guy's leg?
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post #13 of 73
8/3/10 at 2:25pm
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Frankly, I'm amazed that Marvel didn't hit him and Kirkman with a "cease and desist" over this one.
It would have given it more attention than it deserved.
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post #14 of 73
8/3/10 at 3:18pm
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"warrior angels 'Tiffany' and 'Domino'"
I think Tiffany was named after Todd's sister.

But yeah, she was esstientially exactly the same as Angela characterwise ... only younger, brasher, and more "in your face". Ugh.
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post #15 of 73
8/3/10 at 3:46pm
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That said, I kind of still like McFarlane as an artist. He was always different enough and detailed enough that I dug it, and even though his anatomy was horrible it still came off well(unlike Liefeld).
The really puzzling thing was that when in costume his characters have perfectly good hands and fingers. But once out of the gloves, they become these weird deformed sausagey things. How the fuck does that work?

I think I might have that Gaiman/Angela issue of Spawn. Is it worth any money? Better still, can I return it and get my self respect back?
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post #16 of 73
8/3/10 at 4:12pm
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I think I might have that Gaiman/Angela issue of Spawn. Is it worth any money?
The answer, as it is with pretty much anything printed in the 90s, is no.
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post #17 of 73
8/3/10 at 4:18pm
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The answer, as it is with pretty much anything printed in the 90s, is no.
You mean...they lied to me?
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post #18 of 73
8/3/10 at 5:13pm
Maybe if you had the glossy foil 3-d variant.
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post #19 of 73
8/3/10 at 5:20pm
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Gaiman said on his Twitter the other day: "A few people are asking why Todd & I didn't have contracts. We did. He just broke them."

lol
I once read an interview with libertarian Todd McFarlane and he waxed poetic about contracts. He said the best contract is no contract since, if he likes what you're doing, he'll have to pay to keep you happy.

This is why you have contracts, Toddy.
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post #20 of 73
8/3/10 at 6:42pm
Stay classy, Erik Larsen!

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/0...n-female-jury/
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post #21 of 73
8/3/10 at 6:55pm
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Well, I can see his point. I mean, women are just voids attracted to male light, right?

Is it just me, or is everything associated with Image Comics just awful?
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post #22 of 73
8/3/10 at 6:56pm
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WTF is that?? Haunt looks like he's coming from his fingertips.
I've said it in "Haunt"s old thread, but he should have been named "Spewn".

"Cummin' atcha!"

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post #23 of 73
8/3/10 at 6:59pm
Jesus. Image comics make great fires, I guess.
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post #24 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:19pm
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaan, Savage Dragon is the only Image comic I still enjoy. Now I have to hate it.
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post #25 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:27pm
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The answer, as it is with pretty much anything printed in the 90s, is no.
This is an interesting question, I believe.

What does one do with all the books they have from the 90's that have to be worth a tenth of the cover price? Do you parcel them out to young children, keep them locked away waiting for paper to become scarce or try to Ebay them to someone...anyone?
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post #26 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:30pm
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These people should be happy that Neil Gaiman's name keeps getting mentionned next to theirs. Assholes.
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post #27 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:40pm
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This is an interesting question, I believe.

What does one do with all the books they have from the 90's that have to be worth a tenth of the cover price? Do you parcel them out to young children, keep them locked away waiting for paper to become scarce or try to Ebay them to someone...anyone?
If you wanted to be really evil, you could scan and adapt them into motion comics and give them accurate 14 year old over-excited douche-bag voice readings.
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post #28 of 73
8/3/10 at 7:47pm
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This is an interesting question, I believe.

What does one do with all the books they have from the 90's that have to be worth a tenth of the cover price? Do you parcel them out to young children, keep them locked away waiting for paper to become scarce or try to Ebay them to someone...anyone?
I gave away most of my comics to goodwill.
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post #29 of 73
8/3/10 at 8:07pm
So my death of Superman comic is worthless... DAMN IT
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post #30 of 73
8/3/10 at 8:30pm
Wow, I never would've known Erik Larsen had such a negative view of women, considering how nuanced and three-dimensional the DD-breasted prostitutes and lesbians in the Savage Dragon are.
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post #31 of 73
8/3/10 at 8:41pm
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Wow, I never would've known Erik Larsen had such a negative view of women, considering how nuanced and three-dimensional the DD-breasted prostitutes and lesbians in the Savage Dragon are.
That's what I'm saying! Very few men took such care to truly understand the intricacies of a camel toe.
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post #32 of 73
8/3/10 at 8:44pm
This is Larsen's "pack of all female jurors" moment.
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post #33 of 73
8/3/10 at 8:51pm
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
This is an interesting question, I believe.

What does one do with all the books they have from the 90's that have to be worth a tenth of the cover price? Do you parcel them out to young children, keep them locked away waiting for paper to become scarce or try to Ebay them to someone...anyone?
I doled mine out at a garage sale. Only sold them to kids and for whatever they could give me. Pretty telling that my Alpha Flights and Spider-Mans and Supermans and Batmans all went, but I ended up tossing a bunch of Spawn and Wildcats and other assorted Image nonsense.
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post #34 of 73
8/3/10 at 9:42pm
A good load of mine went to the recycle bin. I figured they were more valuable as new paper.
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post #35 of 73
8/3/10 at 9:51pm
Good for Gaiman; he's been a favorite for a while now, and McFarlane and Larsen are such douches that I can't help but root against them.
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post #36 of 73
8/3/10 at 10:00pm
Fuck McFarlane.
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post #37 of 73
8/3/10 at 10:13pm
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So my death of Superman comic is worthless... DAMN IT
you have the blacked bag copy?
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post #38 of 73
8/3/10 at 10:41pm
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you have the blacked bag copy?
One I opened and one I didn't.

I also have this. Seems it went for $3000 at auction in February of this year. Seems like I need to send mine off to get graded.
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post #39 of 73
8/3/10 at 11:18pm
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I also have this. Seems it went for $3000 at auction in February of this year. Seems like I need to send mine off to get graded.
Ugh. Precisely what went wrong with comics. I guarantee you whoever buys that is never going to read the goddamn thing.
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post #40 of 73
8/3/10 at 11:45pm
Well of course, at this point, there really isn't a point to buying high priced singles to read.

That's collected in a TPB, isn't it? If you're planning on reading it, buying the trade makes much more sense than buying that thing.
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post #41 of 73
8/4/10 at 12:02am
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I think the important thing to learn from that article is that McFarlane owns Madonna's uniform from A League of Their Own.

Ha Ha.
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post #42 of 73
8/4/10 at 12:15am
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I think the important thing to learn from that article is that McFarlane owns Madonna's uniform from A League of Their Own.

Ha Ha.
Again, why isn't this douche completely broke?
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post #43 of 73
8/4/10 at 12:45am
Story time: When I was like 13 I went to my first comic book convention in Phoenix and met McFarlane. He literally refused to make eye contact with me, or any of the other people that just stood in line for half an hour for a PAID autograph. Pretty cold. Turned me off to pretty much the entire comic experience for years. Later I worked at Kinkos and learned he regularly went into one of the southern greater Phoenix area stores on a regular basis. Everyone in the store hated him and made fun of his Donald Duck voice.
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post #44 of 73
8/4/10 at 1:02am
Poor bastard just had to start his superhero's name with an S, didn't he?
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post #45 of 73
8/4/10 at 1:19am
I blame myself.

Back in '93 or '94 I had a chance to keep all of this from happening. A buddy and I were 'talent' at Chicago ComiCon for a couple of years (some small press stuff from Fifth Panel comics, I'm sure you all read them). I was heading backup to my room after the show wrapped and on staggered McFarlane, drunk and acting stupider than usual. I choked back the reflex to beat his bitch ass as we road up the elevator. One of my biggest regrets in life.
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post #46 of 73
8/4/10 at 8:56am
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Ugh. Precisely what went wrong with comics. I guarantee you whoever buys that is never going to read the goddamn thing.
Yeah, but it's a Venom comic from the 90's...why read it at all? It's not like this is Dickens or anything.
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post #47 of 73
8/4/10 at 9:17am
Sorry to hear Larsen is a dick. I'm still a big fan of his comics though.
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Originally Posted by TzuDohNihm View Post
This is an interesting question, I believe.

What does one do with all the books they have from the 90's that have to be worth a tenth of the cover price? Do you parcel them out to young children, keep them locked away waiting for paper to become scarce or try to Ebay them to someone...anyone?
I used my 15 near mint copies of NFL SuperPro #1(guest-starring Spidey!) as kindling last winter. It was cold!
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post #48 of 73
8/4/10 at 9:37am
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These people should be happy that Neil Gaiman's name keeps getting mentionned next to theirs. Assholes.
A thousand times this.

"But your honor, he ran my client over twice and then burned down his house."
"That may be, but he's Neil Gaiman and your client is Todd McFarlane."
"Point taken."
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post #49 of 73
8/4/10 at 9:48am
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Ugh. Precisely what went wrong with comics. I guarantee you whoever buys that is never going to read the goddamn thing.
Venom or grading?

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Well of course, at this point, there really isn't a point to buying high priced singles to read.

That's collected in a TPB, isn't it? If you're planning on reading it, buying the trade makes much more sense than buying that thing.
Are you advocating NOT buying singles at all? I believe there is still a market for the collecting of pre-90's single issues as speculative artwork. Anything after that was mass produced because of speculators buying five+ copies of everything that came out and artificially increasing printing runs therefore causing a direct drop in worth.

Buying CGC books is a thought but I'm not sure I would unless I just could not find the grade of book I wanted unslabbed.

I bought one CGC book but that was only because in the short run of issues I was buying all of them and for some reason this one book was slabbed.
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post #50 of 73
8/4/10 at 9:53am
Both
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