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Google and the death of the Internet

post #1 of 17
8/5/10 at 12:50pm
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Without putting too fine a point on it, this is bullshit

Can anything be done to stop these monsters? Or do we just have to sit down and shut up and get used to a web that works faster for the rich and powerful?


In the mean time, I'm going to go with Bing! for a while. Despite their dumb name and obnoxiously graphic heavy format, at least they are not engaged in a plot to ruin the web
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post #2 of 17
8/5/10 at 12:51pm
Broken link.
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post #3 of 17
8/5/10 at 12:54pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Broken link.
Fixed. Thanks, Patrick.

EDIT: Could google have had something to do with breaking my link?! (kidding)
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post #4 of 17
8/5/10 at 12:57pm
Essentially Google has reached an agreement with Verizon where net neutrality does not apply to wireless traffic (well, they just haven't reached an agreement about it).

And where it does apply Verizon still has the right to prioritize other traffic (but loses the right to block ANY traffic).

Engadget link.
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post #5 of 17
8/5/10 at 1:19pm
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DEAL OR NO DEAL?

Google backtracks

EDIT: Am I the only one who finds TWITTER to be the worst possible venue for such an important statement? Or did they choose to post there precisely because it would make further elaboration impossible given the 140 character limit? Hmm...
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post #6 of 17
8/5/10 at 2:47pm
Maybe they wanted to make that post on Google Wave, but then someone in back went "Naaaaah".
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post #7 of 17
8/9/10 at 5:21pm
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Backtracking on the backtracking..

I don't like the sound of this one bit. It doesn't matter if it's "wireless" or not, it's the internet, where all data should be treated equally.
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post #8 of 17
8/9/10 at 5:43pm
It ain't great, that's for sure. It largely applies to mobile/wireless, but of course the entire Internet is heading towards wireless. And while it sounds like broadband providers can't prioritize bandwidth for, say, YouTube over DailyMotion, they can make deals with third parties for exclusive services. If I'm understanding that right, it's possible specialized Disney/ABC content could go to Time Warner, and specialized Universal/NBC content could go to Verizon, for example.
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post #9 of 17
8/9/10 at 5:44pm
So, at the end of the day, what this all comes down to is Prince was right.
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post #10 of 17
8/9/10 at 5:44pm
Seeing as the wireless spectrum is a finite resource, we're going to have to live with whatever traffic management they impose. Sure, you can shop around for the best deal from the best carrier, but they're all going this route.

The more interesting part of this proposal is how they carved out a loophole for wired ethernet connections, where any service "outside the scope" of normal open internet can get priority treatment.

So long as these closed internet services (similar to ESPN 360 or gaming options like OnLive) remain a small portion of their broadband pipe, I'm not too concerned. However, I could see a greedy carrier pushing their customers into using these closed services to the exclusion of the open web, then nickel-and-diming them into oblivion.
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post #11 of 17
8/9/10 at 5:52pm
Right, if these walled-garden services grow more robust, and both the content and broadband providers see dollar signs in working together, the worst-case scenario is that a lot of high-bandwidth content gets pulled from the "open internet". Which we used to just call "the internet".
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post #12 of 17
8/11/10 at 12:12am
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
So, at the end of the day, what this all comes down to is Prince was right.
Symbol ahead of the curve once more.

Seriously tho, the moment the rich worked out how to make parts of the net exclusive or objectively 'better' for themselves over the rest of us, of course it was going to go this way.

The free for all was never going to last. The elites were always going to shape it thus once the tech became available to do so.
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post #13 of 17
10/23/11 at 5:39pm
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Google seems to have removed the ability to sort by RELEVANCE or DATE in search, at least as far as the mobile browser iteration goes. Now searching for certain videos is much much more difficult

 

'Don't be evil'... has ever there been a more laughable motto? Along with Fox's 'Fair and Balanced', they're neck and neck in the race for most egregious corporate BS 

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post #14 of 17
10/23/11 at 5:42pm

Am I really going to be the one left to point out the crushing irony of the greatest disciple of the prophet of closed systems complaining so bitterly about Google limiting choice?

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post #15 of 17
10/23/11 at 7:20pm

Nope, youre not the only one.

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post #16 of 17
10/23/11 at 7:38pm
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It has nothing to do with closed systems, it's about search functionality. Google is the one that is supposed to be about openness, right?

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post #17 of 17
10/24/11 at 6:05am

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