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Mom Arrested for Not Giving Her Name to Police

post #1 of 58
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Oh my god, you could see her bra through her t-shirt at a water park! Call the cops!!!

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On April 24, Lovett kicked off her shoes and joined her son at the Splash Park, which had just recently opened for its first full season. But after her T-shirt and bra became soaked, parents complained to a park employee that the see-through shirt was "offensive," according to a police report.

It's not clear why authorities were called, but park employees told police it was the third time in recent days that Lovett was asked to leave the park because of a wet T-shirt. The $500,000 attraction, which opened in August 2009, features water spouting from pretend animals, cattails and a "seaplane."

Lovett referred questions to Marks, who said his client wrapped a towel around herself and was approached by a Tavares police officer who asked her for her name as she was walking out of the park on the north shore of Lake Dora.

Cpl. Tammy Bozadjian said she needed Lovett's name to put into a city database.

"The defendant [Lovett] became upset and would not provide her information," Bozadjian wrote in the incident report. "I again explained that the information was only for the data base. She again refused to provide the information, stating that she needed to speak with her husband first. I then informed the defendant that if she refused to provide her information that she would be placed under arrest."

Lovett then gave only her first name, questioning the officer why she should also give her last name, too.

Bozadjian tried to place handcuffs on the mother, but she pulled back, according to the report. The officer folded her left arm behind her back.

"I was then able to successfully place her in handcuffs," Bozadjian wrote.

Meanwhile, her husband, Jeff Lovett, watched his wife being arrested while standing outside the park fence.

Marks said police had no legal justification for demanding that Lovett tell the officer her name because there was no evidence she committed or was about to commit a crime.

"What kind of database would they put her in? A database for wet T-shirt wearers?" Marks asked. "She wasn't there to cause trouble…They're either absolutely incompetent or they don't know the law."

Lubins said police asked for her name because they were called out to the park and told that she had been warned before about her attire.

"We would be remiss if we didn't take down her name," he said.

Marks, however, said he wondered if police wanted Lovett's name because they suspected the Peruvian native may be an illegal immigrant. Lovett, a nursing student, has lived in the United States for 15 years and is an American citizen, the attorney said.
I'd be highly suspicious of any officer who wanted to add my name to a "database" for no specified reason.
post #2 of 58
That officer has bad pick-up skills...
post #3 of 58
I don't get it. Just wear a bathing suit top under a shirt.

Actually...not even that...just wear a colorful bra.
post #4 of 58
Or you know... tits: we all have 'em. Grow the fuck up.
post #5 of 58
I wish to see photographs of the offending torso.
post #6 of 58
Cop-Ma'am what's your name?
Woman-Joey Jo-Jo Junior Shabadoo
Cop-That's the worst name I ever heard. Ma'am you're under arrest.
post #7 of 58
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post
I wish to see photographs of the offending torso.
Yeah we need proof that this really happened I'm with Brad
post #8 of 58
Thread Starter 
It was apparently a padded bra, so not much was going to show through. She would have been showing more had she worn a bikini.
post #9 of 58
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Actually...not even that...just wear a colorful bra.
My thoughts exactly...

post #10 of 58
^no one would complain about that, unless she refused to take more off.

she was probably going to be given a warning at first, and he was going to document who she was in the computer system, and that she was given a warning already if it happened again in the future.
post #11 of 58
20 bucks says the woman was overweight.

But still, she's been warned a bunch of times...I just would've thought she'd wear something different after hearing it so much and almost getting kicked out a few times. I know it shouldn't be a big deal that she's showing her see bra in front of a bunch of children since the kids' moms are letting it all hang out in their swim suits, but it shouldnt' be a big deal for her to simply wear something else.

Even the cop warned her repeatedly that if she didn't tell him her name, he would arrest her. She's just a stubborn cunt.
post #12 of 58
Thread Starter 
Slideshow showing her outfit before it got wet:

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/24517138/detail.html
post #13 of 58
Ah, Lake County.
post #14 of 58
yeah, no one needed to see that
post #15 of 58
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
20 bucks says the woman was overweight.

But still, she's been warned a bunch of times...I just would've thought she'd wear something different after hearing it so much and almost getting kicked out a few times. I know it shouldn't be a big deal that she's showing her see bra in front of a bunch of children since the kids' moms are letting it all hang out in their swim suits, but it shouldnt' be a big deal for her to simply wear something else.

Even the cop warned her repeatedly that if she didn't tell him her name, he would arrest her. She's just a stubborn cunt.
You're kidding, right? She wasn't breaking a law. The cop, however, was breaking a law.
post #16 of 58
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
You're kidding, right? She wasn't breaking a law. The cop, however, was breaking a law.
This is true, however it sounds like she was also being a stubborn cunt. How hard is it to change your shirt honestly?

Maybe people were overreacting and she definitely never should have been arrested, but still, she wasn't exactly being cooperative either.
post #17 of 58
Yeah my first reaction was WTF? Police but it sounds like she was being an ass in public and the cop just wanted to get her to cut it out.
post #18 of 58
how was what the cop did "illegal"
post #19 of 58
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Originally Posted by NickP View Post
how was what the cop did "illegal"
Well, he arrested her just because she wouldn't tell him her name and there wasn't any evidence that she had committed any kind of crime. I'm not from the States but I'm pretty sure that's illegal there, you can't just place people under arrest willy nilly.
post #20 of 58
Unless this woman has a water park in her backyard, she was on private property. That means the people that own that property can dictate to her what she can and cannot wear while on said property. If she doesn't like it, then stay the fuck home.

But don't defy repeated warnings and then get all buttsore when the cops are called, and then act like an ass to said cops.

I'll file this one under: "Dumb Ass acts like Dumb Ass; Gets Arrested".
post #21 of 58
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl View Post
Well, he arrested her just because she wouldn't tell him her name and there wasn't any evidence that she had committed any kind of crime. I'm not from the States but I'm pretty sure that's illegal there, you can't just place people under arrest willy nilly.

there was a formal complaint by the owners of the private property she was on. That would result in a police investigation, and ussualy that entails people giving information over to the police. esspecially the person being accused of a crime. Seems like what the cop did was pretty text book from my experiences.
post #22 of 58
It's just a shame she wasn't tasered and that there wasn't then video footage of that tasering. Because that shit is funny.
post #23 of 58
I'm sorry, but if a pool place has to ask you repeatedly to change your top, threatens to kick you out on a few occasions, takes it so far as to bring a COP into the matter, you refuse to tell the cop your name even after he warns you that he'll arrest you, and you decide to keep fucking with him....then you're a stubborn cunt!

Considering you can arrest someone for disturbing the peace, or obstruction of justice for not answering questions or hampering an investigation by refusing to cooperate with the police...then I'm sure there's some law that lets you arrest her.
post #24 of 58
We also have a law here called "Disturbing the Peace". Was she? I don't know, but it's usually up to the officer what that really means.
post #25 of 58
If the article is accurate, when the officer approached her A) she was wrapped up in a towel and B) hey, whaddaya know? SHE WAS LEAVING. Was it really all that necessary to twist her arm behind her back and slap cuffs on her IN FRONT OF HER KID? I can't stand when cops go all Robo-Prick over nothing, when a few chosen words and judicial restraint would be fine.

But, in all fairness, it sounds like the stupidity was on all sides of this. From what I've heard about Florida, it's par the course. (Present Floridans excepted.)
post #26 of 58
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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post
If the article is accurate, when the officer approached her A) she was wrapped up in a towel and B) hey, whaddaya know? SHE WAS LEAVING. Was it really all that necessary to twist her arm behind her back and slap cuffs on her IN FRONT OF HER KID? I can't stand when cops go all Robo-Prick over nothing, when a few chosen words and judicial restraint would be fine.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't a get a pass just because the cop doesn't happen to catch you in the act, or if your child is present. (Here's a tip to parents who don't want to have their kids see them get arrested: Don't act like a douchebag in public and continue to act like a douchebag when the cops show up to stop you from acting like a douchebag.)

She was told THREE TIMES by park employees to stop doing what she was doing, and she kept coming back and doing it anyway. Until more facts come to light, I'm siding with the "Robo-Prick" cop over the self-entitled twat.
post #27 of 58
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Originally Posted by Doc Phibes View Post
If the article is accurate, when the officer approached her A) she was wrapped up in a towel and B) hey, whaddaya know? SHE WAS LEAVING. Was it really all that necessary to twist her arm behind her back and slap cuffs on her IN FRONT OF HER KID? I can't stand when cops go all Robo-Prick over nothing, when a few chosen words and judicial restraint would be fine.
You're acting like she was being arrested for showing her bra off. The park complained to her and all, and the cop knew she had been warned before so he simply asked for her name so that if the park complained again, the police would know she had been warned previously. Her being arrested had NOTHING to do with that.

She was arrested for refusing to disclose her name to the authorities, he warned her a few times, and she still wouldn't do it. She kept fucking with him. So he goes to arrest her (like he said he would if she refused) and she RESISTS...thats why her arm was twisted. If you're going to criticize someone's arrest, criticize what they were actually arrested for.
post #28 of 58
If he wanted to charge her with disturbing the peace and then arrest her, that would have been fine, but if the dumbfuck cop slapped cuffs on her for not telling him her first and last name...welp, have fun with the whole "giving up your civil liberties so kids don't have to see bras" thing.
post #29 of 58
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
If he wanted to charge her with disturbing the peace and then arrest her, that would have been fine, but if the dumbfuck cop slapped cuffs on her for not telling him her first and last name...welp, have fun with the whole "giving up your civil liberties so kids don't have to see bras" thing.
Don't turn this into "people are freaking out over a bra"; the specific nature of her behavior is irrelevant. What is relevant is that she was engaging in this behavior on someone else's property, and was asked repeatedly to knock it the fuck off. She refused. The cops were called. She persisted in her douchebaggery. She got arrested. End of story.

If "giving up my civil liberties" means I can't go around behaving exactly how I want when I want and everyone else can go screw, then throw me in the fucking gulag right now. I'd rather die imprisoned in a frozen wasteland than think for one moment I was as cluelessly idiotic and maliciously hostile towards other people as this woman is.
post #30 of 58
Fuck this jack and fuck anyone that wants to defend her fascist bullshit.
post #31 of 58
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Originally Posted by TCD View Post
It's just a shame she wasn't tasered and that there wasn't then video footage of that tasering. Because that shit is funny.
Taser in teh Boob! Yes~!
post #32 of 58
Thread Starter 
Does this park routinely ask women in bikini tops to cover up? Because I honestly can't see what you'd see through a wet t-shirt that you couldn't just as easily see on a woman wearing a typical bathing suit.
post #33 of 58
Your point may have some validity, but it's irrelevant. She was on private property, and the owners of that property have final say on what is or isn't appropriate attire.
post #34 of 58

Re: Mom Arrested for Not Giving Her Name to Police

Woah woah woah. If I go to a water park I have to look at dumpy old dudes in trunks rocking coarse shoulder hair, but a chunky lady in a wet tshirt and opaque bra warrants removal from the park? I call major foul.
post #35 of 58
The question is, was this lady being arrested, or did the police have any probable cause or reason to even think of arresting her? By their own admission, they did not, so fuck the cops for arresting her.

And fuck the park for kicking her out. Her shirt gets wet? Big fucking deal.

I'm not sticking up for this lady, she was being dumb, but she was well within her rights to be dumb.
post #36 of 58
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Originally Posted by TCD View Post
Your point may have some validity, but it's irrelevant. She was on private property, and the owners of that property have final say on what is or isn't appropriate attire.
http://www.wftv.com/news/19438398/detail.html

not for nothing, but I think that place is a city-run park, not a privately owned business.

And are you guys saying that she should have been arrested because she was acting like a bitch (I wasn't there, I have no idea if she actually was or not)? Just wondering, trying to parse the dialogue
post #37 of 58
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Originally Posted by Florida Legal Statutes
856.021 Loitering or prowling; penalty.--
(1) It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.
(2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern.
(3) Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
If an officer is called because a person has been previously asked to leave a property, and that person refuses to name themselves, I think the law says the officer can arrest her.
post #38 of 58
Thanks for researching that.

And it wasn't like she was wearing a swimsuit under a shirt. It was a friggin bra. It's technically lingerie for all I know. And all the park did was ASK her to change it. Not just once...but a few DAYS. Look, I can understand not complying one time, but they fucking asked her multiple times over a few days and threatened to kick her out! They didn't try to kick her out for her bra, but mostly because she refused to comply. Why are people trying to defend this woman???

Look, a hairy dude in speedos is walking by you and EVERYONE in the area complains to a manager. The manager asks him to switch to shorts. He constantly refuses and loves to parade around you in his speedos. You really want to defend that douchebag??? The issue is a majority of people didn't want their kids to see that shit. It's not like the park is just trying to be dicks.
post #39 of 58
Do we definitely know she was fat? There could be other reasons for the residents to want to ostracise her...
post #40 of 58
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
Look, a hairy dude in speedos is walking by you and EVERYONE in the area complains to a manager. The manager asks him to switch to shorts. He constantly refuses and loves to parade around you in his speedos. You really want to defend that douchebag??? The issue is a majority of people didn't want their kids to see that shit. It's not like the park is just trying to be dicks.

Majority rules, baby. Next step: gay guys kissing on city-run property is totally icky and nobody wants to see it. Somebody call the cops!

They had NO REASON to ask for her name. None. She had not committed an arrestable offence. If the cop wanted her name for future reference, that was for the department's convenience, not because the law demanded it. Police idiocy should never, EVER be excused with "well, they were probably asking for it".
post #41 of 58
Thread Starter 
Thing is, she'd wrapped herself in a towel and left the park. She complied with what the park asked her to do. Why was police involvement even necessary?
post #42 of 58
Kinda gives the whole "illegal immigrant" theory a bit of a boost, don't it.
post #43 of 58
Wasn't wearing the towel on her head was she?
post #44 of 58
What's up with the hostility on this issue? Seriously, she's now a "cunt"? It seems like the criteria has eased to be labeled a cunt these days. They were a little wrong, she was a little wrong; nobody died, and her kid just maaaaaaaybe won't turn into Hannibal Lector from watching Mommy get arrested.
post #45 of 58
Yeah, that's what's driving me crazy, somewhat normal people (I thought) reacting like that. How can you read this situation, where a woman got her shirt wet wading into play with her kid, is asked to change or leave (which is fucking stupid, she's more covered up than other people there still), she DOES something about it by putting on a towel, some fascist fucking cop arrests her (because, you know, why protect and serve when you can harass), and people are calling this woman a cunt? The fuck?
post #46 of 58
Pigs are always more important than bitches never forget that

Love,
Radb
post #47 of 58
Bros before cunts!

wait that's not right
post #48 of 58
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl View Post
Well, he arrested her just because she wouldn't tell him her name and there wasn't any evidence that she had committed any kind of crime. I'm not from the States but I'm pretty sure that's illegal there, you can't just place people under arrest willy nilly.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! You haven't been paying attention lately.
post #49 of 58
Did anybody commenting even READ the article??

I swear like 4 people already are saying the cops were called because she didn't cover up, and then she was arrested for it as she was leaving. Then the cop asked her her named for no reason and then she politely declined and he forced her arm behind her and arrested her.

That DIDN'T happen! Get the facts straight before you start criticizing.

They didn't CALL the cops. The cop was already there. He probably wanted her name so if the park complained again, they'd know she was complained about before. It's not a big deal.

She was in a towell and leaving when the cop stopped her, but you must understand she was DOING this every single time she came to the park. They asked her to stop multiple times across multiple days. She never did. Most people you just ask them politely once, and then they do something about it next time. She refused, and it got to the point they were threatening to kick her out every time she came. How does that NOT make her a stubborn bitch?? Eh, Chris Miller???

She wasn't arrested for showing anything off. According to MrTyres's post (which many haven't read evidently), apparently you can be arrested if you refuse to disclose your name to a police officer while on someone else's property. He gave her opportunity to explain herself and she refused. He told her he would arrest her if she kept refusing. She refused. Her fault. He didn't do anything wrong. It's not like he abused his power, or she was suddenly jumped on.
post #50 of 58
Thread Starter 
First of all, she was at a PUBLIC water park. So I guess I can be arrested for refusing to disclose my name to a cop ANYWHERE.

Second, "call the cops" is just semantics. The park got a police officer involved in the situation, and the cop got involved after the situation had been taken care of by the person in question.

And finally, I'm still puzzled as to what exactly was offensive enough about a woman's bra showing through her shirt in a water park full of people in bathing suits.

Besides, all of this could have been defused by the cop telling her what was going on instead of just demanding her name over and over again. And I'm sorry, saying, "I need it for a database" is not sufficient explanation for threatening to arrest a US citizen.
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