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post #1 of 15
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I saw this movie again last night and overall, it's still an entertaining flick with a cool premise and decent performances save for one: Ashton Kutcher. I give the guy props for taking on a role that was un-Kelso like but the guy, bless his heart, just can't act very well outside his wheelhouse.

Take for instance his coming to the white supremists and offering to suck their dicks. It should be a tense scene but damn if I didn't laugh when he was spouting off racial epithets. The same thing goes for the episode where he ends up in a wheelchair and had prosthetic arms. It should be heartbreaking but it was funny in how bad it was.

For all that though, the movie overcomes the Kutcher problem by sheer force of its above average script, the willingness to go to some dark places, and the balls of the "director's cut" ending. All that earns a pass from me and makes The Butterfly Effect worth watching despite its flaws.
post #2 of 15
I want to look at this movie objectively but all I remember is seeing it with a group of friends. My car left, we chatted about the movie. I said I liked it, the guy I was with didn't. We both laughed at the sheer insanity of the movie and just how over the top dark it tried to be.

The other car was all on their menses and half liked it and the other half didn't. It ended in rage and tears and phone calls to us full of screaming and crying and then somehow ice cream? I'm still confused to this day.

So I give this film two thumbs up. The image of Kutcher waking up with no arms STILL cracks me up.
post #3 of 15
I thought Kutcher was fine in it.

I think most people's opinion on his acting in the movie is swayed by his off-screen personality or his previous roles. I'm pretty sure the whole dick sucking scene you talked about was supposed to make you chuckle a little. Some of the parts as an amputee also seemed light. So I don't think it's a mistake of the film, I think it was intentional.

Amy Smart was a bit meh for me. If I'm remembering correctly.

The movie is worth it for the deleted ending and the deleted scene where Ashton Kutcher gets raped. They should've kept that scene in the movie.

I wonder if this thread will turn into everyone talking about the sequels. 2 was bad. 3 was pretty awesome. There.
post #4 of 15
It is really sad considering how much better this movie could have been if they didn't cast the one actor that did not have a chance in hell to play the scenes in a manner that made them truly effective. The film has a fuck-ton of flaws, but a better actor in the lead could have made this a "good" movie. As is, it is an interesting failure, which is better than most of what Hollywood pumps out, sadly.
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Originally Posted by Park Chan-wookie View Post
It is really sad considering how much better this movie could have been if they didn't cast the one actor that did not have a chance in hell to play the scenes in a manner that made them truly effective. The film has a fuck-ton of flaws, but a better actor in the lead could have made this a "good" movie. As is, it is an interesting failure, which is better than most of what Hollywood pumps out, sadly.
That was my thinking. If they could have cast an actor who had some chops, this could have been great. The ingredients were certainly there for a real genre classic. I still put it in the "good" category but only because the script and editing work so well.
post #6 of 15
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I thought Kutcher was fine in it.

I think most people's opinion on his acting in the movie is swayed by his off-screen personality or his previous roles. I'm pretty sure the whole dick sucking scene you talked about was supposed to make you chuckle a little. Some of the parts as an amputee also seemed light. So I don't think it's a mistake of the film, I think it was intentional.

Amy Smart was a bit meh for me. If I'm remembering correctly.

The movie is worth it for the deleted ending and the deleted scene where Ashton Kutcher gets raped. They should've kept that scene in the movie.

I wonder if this thread will turn into everyone talking about the sequels. 2 was bad. 3 was pretty awesome. There.
Saw the trailers for the sequels and they looked like ass. Part 2 in particular looked like some late night skin flick judging by the preview. Care to elaborate on part 3 some?

I think you're being overly kind to Ashton Kutcher in this. I think he did fine as a scruffy college student but he just couldn't carry the heavier scenes. They might have been meant to be funny but they really play like scenes Kutcher couldn't nail. The section of the movie where he loses his arms might be darkly funny but it comes across as unintentionally funny. Still the psycho kid becoming Super Christian supports your theory that the whole episode is supposed to be funny. I know I laughed quite a bit although I'm still not sure that was the director's intent.


I do agree with you on the alternate ending where Evan decides the world would be better off without him and chokes himself out in the womb. It's a ballsy ending for sure but I think the theatrical ending actually plays out better. I just wish they kept the slightly different ending where Evan turns around and starts stalking the woman he saved. It was funny in that "I don't think this scene is working out so well" kind of way.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by Radb707 View Post
I thought Kutcher was fine in it.

I think most people's opinion on his acting in the movie is swayed by his off-screen personality or his previous roles. I'm pretty sure the whole dick sucking scene you talked about was supposed to make you chuckle a little. Some of the parts as an amputee also seemed light. So I don't think it's a mistake of the film, I think it was intentional.

Amy Smart was a bit meh for me. If I'm remembering correctly.

The movie is worth it for the deleted ending and the deleted scene where Ashton Kutcher gets raped. They should've kept that scene in the movie.

I wonder if this thread will turn into everyone talking about the sequels. 2 was bad. 3 was pretty awesome. There.
I agree pretty much with your sentiments on the first film.

I have never seen Kutcher in anything else, so you may be onto something there. I definitely didn't walk away thinking he was a bad actor.

I also thought the film was cornering along the lines of being a very (black) comedy at times.

I'm kinda curious to revisit it now, to see how it holds up. My interest is piqued in the sequels as well. I wasn't even aware that there was a third one!
post #8 of 15
I thought the directors ending was flat out dumb. How can a fetus even have a thought much less choke its self?

But I did enjoy the film, I mean it was kinda bad and dumb, but Amy Smart is unholy in her hotness, and I'm a sucker for time travel antics.
post #9 of 15
But Nab, it was 20 something college Kutcher who jumped backward into his previous infant body. He was thinking with his adult brain while trying to suffocate his infant one.
post #10 of 15
I never watched the theatrical version of The Butterfly Effect, but I have seen the Director's Cut a few times. It's one of the more disturbing movies I've seen. I'll never look at Eric Stoltz the same way after the basement scene. The whole prison sequence was creepy as well, but Kevin Durand was pretty good as Ashton Kutcher's cellmate.
post #11 of 15
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Saw the trailers for the sequels and they looked like ass. Part 2 in particular looked like some late night skin flick judging by the preview. Care to elaborate on part 3 some?
Part 3 was about a time traveler who traveled back so he could solve cold cases for the police department. As well as get the reward for it. He tells the cops he's just psychic. Other than that, he lives with his sister and they both bear this guilt over a house fire that killed their parents. She helps monitor him during his time travel, since his is a little different from the previous ones.

Anyways, the plot revolves around being asked to solve the murder of his ex-gf from high school. His number one rule is to never intervene, only observe. However, he tries to save her, but she's already dead. He gets back and finds that he inadvertantly created a serial killer, since more women were murdered instead of just her. He keeps going back to try and prevent the murders from happening, but each one he prevents...more murders take their place. He becomes the primary suspect, and even he starts to wonder if maybe the serial killer is a future version of himself, since the killer seems to know whenever he tries to save someone AND kills people/friends who might get him convicted. Also, he seems to be getting increasingly mentally unstable from the time travel. At least it seemed that way.

It was pretty decent for what it was, and a twist you could see coming, but it had a totally different explanation than I expected.
post #12 of 15
This film is a masterpiece of awful cinema. I like how the conceit is "no matter how small a change is, it can destroy the future", and yet all Kutcher does is go back and do the biggest, dumbest, most interferingest shit he can think of. And he's SURPRISED when things change in unexpected ways?

Also, "YOU STARTED SMOKING AFTER I BLEW MYSELF UP"
post #13 of 15
Other greatness: Future Percy Jackson Logan Lerman repeatedly calling noted paedophile Eric Stoltz a fuckbag.
post #14 of 15
I still have a soft spot for this movie. I didn't think it was going to be so grim and it was one of my first experiences with a mainstream movie gone crossways after seeing and being influenced by Donnie Darko. I was a teenager and Ashton Kutcher's character was the first one I remember ever being named Evan in a movie. Was I a sucker?
post #15 of 15
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This film is a masterpiece of awful cinema. I like how the conceit is "no matter how small a change is, it can destroy the future", and yet all Kutcher does is go back and do the biggest, dumbest, most interferingest shit he can think of. And he's SURPRISED when things change in unexpected ways?

Also, "YOU STARTED SMOKING AFTER I BLEW MYSELF UP"
Ha, yeah, that's a good point. He'd change things pretty drastically.

At least in the third one, him just hiding in a closet to make sure a girl isn't killed ends up causing a bunch of shit.
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