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post #151 of 180
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Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
First, awesome riff on the Kenobi quote.

Second, is Lucas really that interesting? Outside of the pathological fear of women that crops up in the imagery and storyline of every film in the franchise--which seems to be transparently rooted to the failing marriage he was in at the time of the original films and subsequent divorce--the story of Lucas seems to be really, really simple: film is a collaborative process and when you tune out all your collaborators you are going to turn out shit films.

As you point out, that also seems to be where Jackson and Shyamalan started to go bad, when they achieved a level of success at which they no longer had to listen to anyone. These all seem to be pretty straightforward stories of hubris.
Which is fairly ripe ground for discussion, I feel. At what point do you stop surrounding yourself with people who are prepared and able to challenge your ideas? Also, at what point do you shut your ears and eyes to negative opinions? Obviously you can't pay attention to every whine and nitpick out there, and I agree with these guys that all you can do is make the film you yourself believe in, but early in their careers, these guys weren't able to do that. They had to work a little harder. Lucas's original drafts of ANH and his pass on the ROTJ script read like the prequels.

By the time of the prequels he's reached the point every director or creative artist probably dreams of, pretty much total autonomy, but conversely without challengers the final product is all the weaker for it. If he'd gone with the prequel scripts before the OT looking for investment he'd have had to get the scripts polished up a lot more than he did. He was bankrolling himself so he stopped a good couple (at least drafts) before he probably should have.

But then again, as some point out fair fucking play for getting into that position in the first place and why the Hell shouldn't he do what he likes? I think there are lessons there though (from all three directors) that are worth talking about.
post #152 of 180
But once again, I have to point out that he succeeded at what he set out to do. It's just that what he set out to do wasn't to make the fanboys happy. he wanted a new generation of kids, not the last one. And I can tell you from experience that young kids love these movies. I think the real butthurt comes from the realization that Lucas made Star Wars movies for people other than the ones who grew up with the old movies.
post #153 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
But once again, I have to point out that he succeeded at what he set out to do. It's just that what he set out to do wasn't to make the fanboys happy. he wanted a new generation of kids, not the last one. And I can tell you from experience that young kids love these movies. I think the real butthurt comes from the realization that Lucas made Star Wars movies for people other than the ones who grew up with the old movies.
With that said, Red Letter Media is still 100% accurate.
post #154 of 180
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
With that said, Red Letter Media is still 100% accurate.
Oh hell yeah. I'm certainly not going to make any kind of case that if children like it, it must be good. Children liked Beverly Hills Chihuahua.
post #155 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
I really don't understand this attitude I keep seeing that people want Lucas to feel bad, or feel that he failed, or that he could have done better. It's really peculiar to the Star Wars movies. I see a lot of people putting down the quality of the Transformers movies, but nobody suggesting that Michael Bay should look at other, better-done blockbusters and break into tears. People express this sort of thing about Lucas all the time. Why? Why is this so personal? Like the movies or don't, and walk away.
I don't think it's so much that. I mean, when you listen to the guy talk, he really fancies himself as some sort of artist. And at least from my end, that's the only place any sort of gripe comes in about the prequels and Jedi.

As a business man, he triumphed like few others. And in that sense, yeah, he has a right to be proud and shout, "scoreboard, bitch!" at doubters and detractors.

But as an "artist?" The guy's a fucking hack and should realize what pieces of dogshit he created. But, who does in that situation? I mean, Uwe Boll tries to box people for that.
post #156 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
But once again, I have to point out that he succeeded at what he set out to do. It's just that what he set out to do wasn't to make the fanboys happy. he wanted a new generation of kids, not the last one. And I can tell you from experience that young kids love these movies. I think the real butthurt comes from the realization that Lucas made Star Wars movies for people other than the ones who grew up with the old movies.
Oh yeah, in 100% agreement with you. I wish he'd tried to please both sets (which I think could have been done) but what I wish is irrelevant and besides the point. Hence the butthurt.
post #157 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
He wanted a new generation of kids, not the last one. And I can tell you from experience that young kids love these movies. I think the real butthurt comes from the realization that Lucas made Star Wars movies for people other than the ones who grew up with the old movies.
True. My kids - who are 4 1/2 - and the neighborhood kids - who range from 6-9 - all LOVE the new movies, plus the Clone Wars series and movie. Love 'em. From the clone troopers on down to Jar Jar. I may not like it, or grumble at it, but it's true.
post #158 of 180
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Originally Posted by Black VW View Post
True. My kids - who are 4 1/2 - and the neighborhood kids - who range from 6-9 - all LOVE the new movies, plus the Clone Wars series and movie. Love 'em. From the clone troopers on down to Jar Jar. I may not like it, or grumble at it, but it's true.
I'm curious. Which of the godawfully-unlikable characters do they like the most?

Or is it just the PEW PEW, spaceships, and laser-swords which appeal to any kid at that age (granted)?
post #159 of 180
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Or is it just the PEW PEW, spaceships, and laser-swords which appeal to any kid at that age (granted)?
This.
post #160 of 180
Which, astonishingly enough, is why the original STAR WARS made such a massive amount of money. Not everyone has fond memories of it for deep cinematic reasons.
post #161 of 180
I can't wait to see what this next wave of Star Wars fans, the ones who grew up on the prequels and Clone Wars, think they're owed a couple decades from now.
post #162 of 180
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post
I can't wait to see what this next wave of Star Wars fans, the ones who grew up on the prequels and Clone Wars, think they're owed a couple decades from now.
Hey, Lucas will need some way to pay for the costly procedure of transferring his brain into the body of his adopted son in order to prolong his wicked life!

"Lucas' brain raped my childhood!"
post #163 of 180
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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather View Post
Which, astonishingly enough, is why the original STAR WARS made such a massive amount of money. Not everyone has fond memories of it for deep cinematic reasons.
There doesn't have to be "deep cinematic reasons". But the originals had likable characters and plots that didn't revolve around boring trade disputes and Senate hearings. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Sorry, I dosed off there.
post #164 of 180
Bitter nerds fighting each other online is funny. I love this thread.
post #165 of 180
I want to buy the original Star Wars trilogy on Blu-ray, but since it'll be the Special Edition version I'm not sure if I will indeed buy it now. I really hate the SE edition and all those moronic changes Lucas made (like Greedo shooting first). I got the theatrical OT on DVD and it's the only one I'd watch right now.
post #166 of 180
We already know he's added a CGI Yoda to Episode I for the blu-ray release, and I doubt the changes will stop there. Hell, he made half a dozen changes for just the DVD release alone.
post #167 of 180
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Originally Posted by Barkatthemoon View Post
We already know he's added a CGI Yoda to Episode I for the blu-ray release
Haha really?

How is it that in 20+ years they couldn't produce a puppet with as much life and charm as the one in ESB? Blows my mind.
post #168 of 180
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8 View Post
Haha really?
Yup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqrRpY7I2qg
post #169 of 180
I'd like to call BS! (not on you guys but Lucas and a lot of other film makers)

See heres the thing, great films have attributes that have universal appeal due to common core themes that anyone can relate to. The problem is, a lot of film makers think that dumbing down a film to a child's level is the same thing, which it isn't.

The original Star Wars has the most basic elements of good vs evil, becoming a hero, and adventure, and anyone can relate to these and have fun with it.

Did any of those things happen to the prequels? There was nothing really to grasp on to in terms of pure enjoyment. Jar Jar could of been the greatest character if he wasn't so distancing and childish.
post #170 of 180
The problem is, who was The Phantom Menace about? Star Wars was clearly Luke's journey, but who is it in TPM? Obi-Wan? Qui-Gon? Anakin? Padme? Who's really all that different at the end than they were at the beginning (Qui-Gon being dead notwithstanding)? It's not about the characters, it's about the plot, and that's the kiss of death.
post #171 of 180
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post
I can't wait to see what this next wave of Star Wars fans, the ones who grew up on the prequels and Clone Wars, think they're owed a couple decades from now.
I'm guessing an apology.
post #172 of 180
What's worse is, he has all the ingredients, he just didn't put them organically together.

What was The Phantom Menace itself? Each other film title directly had to do something with the storyline. Yes there is a lot of conjecture on the net, but the film really never explained a thing about it.

I suppose the prequels were supposed to be about Anakin, but was he our focal point for any of the prequels? (except maybe the ending of RotS)

Maaaybe Lucas was trying to pull a Godfather and have an ensemble picture, but we could at least relate to Michael as the outsider and be pulled in and follow his journey. I hope Lucas didn't mean for us to follow Jar Jar (who was alienating and thrown to the side after the first movie) or Anakin (who was a little boy who didn't show up till later in the film, let alone various other factors)?

I forgot to mention, I bet that everyones younglings here will wake up and smell the shit roses when they grow up.
post #173 of 180
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Originally Posted by Barkatthemoon View Post
Well it does look better than the puppet, I'll give it that. I could never understand why the puppet in that film was so much less lifelike and engaging than the one in Empire.
post #174 of 180
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS View Post
I forgot to mention, I bet that everyones younglings here will wake up and smell the shit roses when they grow up.
Considering how many grown-ass men around here swear up and down that GI Joe, Transformers, and Thundercats were great shows, I bet you're wrong.
post #175 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Well it does look better than the puppet, I'll give it that. I could never understand why the puppet in that film was so much less lifelike and engaging than the one in Empire.
Most likely the fact that the Yoda in ESB was played as a real character where great pains were taken to make sure he connected with audiences.

The Episode 1 Yoda coasts on the fact that it's... Yoda. It doesn't help at all that the puppet looked nothing like the one from ESB. So... we get a non-character that coasts on something greater it looks nothing like.
post #176 of 180
Hey Dawson, there's another SW thread on CHUD that's descended into grown men bitching at other grown men about how an old man ruined their lives. What do you think about that?

post #177 of 180
I can't look at that gif without laughing. Not even a peak.
post #178 of 180
I'm in awe. I've never actually seen that in motion before...
post #179 of 180
That's from the finale of the third season.
post #180 of 180
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Originally Posted by Greg David View Post
Considering how many grown-ass men around here swear up and down that GI Joe, Transformers, and Thundercats were great shows, I bet you're wrong.
I can agree with you on that, but hopefully film taste will mature and they might stumble on a certain YouTube review.

Ignorance is bliss.
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