Tila Tequila attacked by Juggalos - Page 2

Yeah, it is pretty strange. Before this happened my feeling would have been that Tequila should be Embarrassed to perform at the concert, not AFRAID.

The thing that's telling about this is that your first response isn't "This was a horrible cruel, cowardly attack and the people that perpetrated it are filth and the scum of humanity". It's some allegedly witty commentary on the intelligence of attending an event such as that, given Tequila's background. Newsflash: You're not offering any new insight. Anyone with any common sense can write something similar. Sure it wasn't wise on her, or her managements part. Sure someone walking alone in Central Park after dark is not engaging in wise behavior. However, you make no mention of the character of the hordes of people who did this to her (which is far worse than her being stupid) and suggest that anyone who keeps the focus on that (which is far more important than her stupidity in attending the event) is trying to be a "white knight"

As I mentioned, I can't stand Tequila or what she represents, but all that goes out the window when someone is attacked by a violent mob just because they're vacuous reality show fame whores.

You're working the extreme ends here, but the point is still kind of moot. It's the responsibility of the festival organizers to give a heads up if the venn diagram of their crowds and spontaneous rock-throwing assholes is a single circle.

I'm not arguing that it could have been avoided if they'd done some research, but it's pretty unthinkable to expect that mob violence is going to be a major part of any show. It's not like they just gave her one of their weird Faygo showers. This is actually a tidbit illegal.

On top of that, I think when ICP fans get as much immediate recognition as the Aryan Nation I'm going to give up on this country. Even if it's scornful, the dam has burst.

Edit: Agent got to the heart of it better than I did. Being stupid or making a mistake doesn't justify abusive or antagonistic assholes.

Yeah, I mean, no one here thinks Tila Tequila is a champion at wise career decisions; it's pretty easy to think what she/her agents were thinking. She's a fading meme, ICP are having a novelty career resurgence. I doubt they were expecting her to go down a storm; probably they were expecting her to get booed off. It'd still be good publicity.

And really, if these hypothetical agents did a quick google search or read the event's wiki page, "getting booed offstage" is the extent of the damage they could have reasonably expected. I don't doubt that there's rougher shit that's happened, but there aren't any pictures of Bubba Sparxx with scars on his face at the top of the "gathering of the juggalos" google results page or anything.

I'm sure you're very satisfied that you got the opportunity to paint someone with a misogynist brush today, and didn't read my first post in the thread where I said no one deserved to have that happen to them, and I'm sorry if me saying people should maybe check into a situation before they participate isn't offering new insight into this world, Agent Of Chaos.

HOW DARE THEY!!! SHAKING MY FIST!!!!

There, better?

You made a little comment about no one deserving having this happen to them, and then spent the rest of your time questioning the judgement of someone who would go to an ICP festival with Tequila's background.

Where we differ is, I think the scum who did this should be more of a focus than the stupidity of a 5 foot woman. You seem to feel that that this is background noise, hence your focus on Tequila's wisdom for attending the event over the scourge of humanity that are people that would attack her with bottles, feces, etc. and then storm her trailer.

As I mentioned, yes it was unwise. But again, unwise behavior vs a violent mob attacking someone for being terrible entertainment. I just can't figure out what's worse.

If you had called out the character of individuals who would do this initially, and then went on to question her wisdom that would be one thing. But your primary focus on that over people exhibiting FAR FAR worse behavior and then saying anyone who wants to put the focus where it BELONGS is a "white knight" is just telling to me. As is your sarcasm that I would DARE call you on it.

I don't even understand what was unwise or stupid about TT's decision. She's a trashy D-list celebrity who was offered a moderate-profile appearance at a trashy festival. It was a paying gig. If she or her reps were supposed to dismiss the opportunity out of hand because at some point the public perception of juggalos has shifted from harmless doofuses to marauding rapegang, then I still have sympathy, because I missed that memo too.

Yeah, my earlier joke aside this is shitty thing to happen to someone. There is a lot of "its their own fault" mentality going around at the moment which is kinda sad.

By the way, if this happened to Method Man and Red Man, who also appeared at this fucking stupid event, I would say the exact same things. No one should try to get involved in this abortion of a music festival.

For now, though, I will exit the thread, and leave you gentleman to your chivalry.

If we don't change anything except the setting and the costumes, to, oh, say, a Renaissance Festival, and the same thing happened, I lay money there'd still be people calling her an idiot for playing a gig where people are carrying around broadswords. And ukuleles. But the point is: saying that this is "the sort of thing that always happens" at a Juggalo festival doesn't make it any more OK that it DID happen, or that by taking the gig she was knowingly playing with fire and thusly should be dismissed or treated to sarcastic scorn. She was assaulted, and yet for some reason she's getting the brunt of the derision and condemnation for even showing up there as opposed to the people who did the assaulting. The fact that she's a shitty performer and an obnoxious self-promoter shouldn't even be an issue here.

Maybe you could do the D-list celebrity world a favor and print out flyers, and go to each of them, one by one, to warn them of the dangers of playing at the Gathering of the Juggalos, and if God help them, they decide to take a paying gig (which, I don't know if you realize, aren't exactly knocking down the doors of these acts, and they want to make money), let them know that it's their Own Damn Fault, because they didn't know beforehand how awful ICP's music is, and how hateful their fans are. Go forth, and by all means show us the meaning of chivalry.

I agree. While I don't think it was wise for her to attend an event with these types, should she have expected to get pelted with bottles, feces and have he trailer stormed because of it?

Again, the focus on THAT, valid or not, over the scum that participated I can't really comprehend. My first reaction when I read about this was "Man, that's fucked up and the people that did it are fucked up" not "Boy was she dumb to not expect to get pelted by bottles and chased by a horde!!"

But it shouldn't be surprising given the times we live in.

Chris, you walked into this hornets nest of high horses and dared to not completely sympathize with the victim. Like Tila Tequila, you deserve all the abuse you get.

The above post was my funny way of saying "Chill out, y'all."

Oh you're just trying to be a "White Knight, Captain Save a Ho"

Not sure about this story.

The pictures don't looks like she was viciously attacked by people (plural). She's got a bruised cheek, a small cut on her forehead, a bruise on her side, and a bruised leg. That doesn't sound like she was attacked. That just sounds like she was in a fight with someone (singular) and got her ass beat.

I'm not defending these fucking Juggalos, but her shirt totally looks like it was spattered with fake blood. Either that, or a juggalos was pouring Hi-C on her during the attack.

Yeah, I guess I've officially outed myself as the woman hater on these here boards. You gentleman sure have shown me error of my ways.

You can keep taking the sarcastic route all you want and pretend like people haven't given you reasons why they take issue with your commentary, but it's pretty clear for any reasonable person. Here let me flip it for you.

You've shown me that I'm just trying to be a "White Knight" and have shown me the error of my ways!!!!!

I'm with you on the last part. Because it's stupid, though, not dangerous.

Because it would have been FAYGO, not HI-C. A Juggalo will kill you for that.


Bitch.

It is suspect, and pretty clearly not blood, but I'm pretty sure that is some kind of beverage residue, which would make sense at an outdoor summer music festival.

That's what I mean. If she was attacked so violently by a group of Juggalos, why doesn't she look like fucking burger. She's got a bruised cheek, two cuts on her face, and a couple other bruises. Where's the blood that should be on her clothes?

As I said earlier, that doesn't sound like an "attack" that just sounds (and looks) like she lost a fight.

Being "attacked" doesn't have to mean that she was pummelled by fists and clown shoes.

True. I'm just thinking with the stupidity and mob mentality and lack of impulse control of the Juggalo and "Hey, it's Tila Tequila! Let's get her!" I just figured she'd be far worse off than she looks.

You pick weird fights. I'd like to show you This thread, where I was aghast that people would see a woman getting arrested for not giving out her name, after someone complained that she wasn't wearing the correct clothing for that sort of park, and felt the need to call her "an irritating cunt who got what she deserved". You see, in that thread, where I saw a woman wrongly misaligned by not only the public at large, but by people on this board that seem to love to call a woman a cunt, I stepped in and called people out on what I perceived to be bullshit. Maybe this woman wasn't as famous as Tila Tequila is , so you didn't feel the need to join me in protesting the destruction of this woman's civil liberties and her character. I'm sorry that threads like that are where I choose to take a stand against witch hunts, as opposed to a situation where a person who has made a career on doing whatever they feel necessary to be in the spotlight picked the wrong pack of hateful dogs to fuck with. This doesn't make fucking Juggalos any less repulsive than they've always been, nor does it mean she deserved to be injured, it just means in my humble opinion, there are far better things to be outraged about than this.

Well, we weren't there, so we don't know how the geography worked out, the speed at which things escalated and so on. It's still funny to me that though I don't particularly find her attractive, one-on-one, outside of the mob, these jerkoffs would fucking melt in her presence. I guarantee that seeing her breasts was probably the best part of their day, if not their lives.

It's disheartening that people feel so free to trash Juggalos and categorize them as violent losers based on just a few assholes' actions. There is nothing wrong with booing Tila Tequila, who seems to be a sociopath. There is everything wrong with throwing bottles at her, but it seems like only a few people did that. If this were at a concert primarily attended by blacks no one would dare call out or ridicule the audience as a whole; instead, they'd correctly place the blame at the feet of the few who actually committed violent acts. This is because Americans know better than to be outwardly racist--but have no problem being outwardly classist.

ICP isn't about violence but they use violence in their music to disguise its subtext, which is about equanimity, family, and forming a community of outsiders who define happiness on their own terms. ICP promotes the idea that class and education don't matter w/r/t one's intrinsic, human worth--and that everyone deserves what happiness and family they can find.

Because rich white assholes use social status and education against working class whites (such as myself back when I was employed), it's no surprise that ICP's audience is primarily poor. The wealthy and educated would rather lord their social superiority over others than ascribe to ICP's egalitarian message. There are no hipster Juggalos, no trust-fund is-it-existentialism-or-is-it-ennui Brown University culture-appropriating irony-loving Juggalos. ICP has built a community--primarily of oppressed, white poor, social outsiders--who've come together to celebrate the fact that they too deserve and can achieve happiness and love. This makes rich white folks sick.

ICP's lyrics are violent, but they don't promote violence. Instead, they're metaphorical for the violent nature of self-hatred and self-doubt, with the cathartic aim to purge those feelings. ICP also uses manifestly violent lyrics to scare off outsiders. The difference between Miracles and old school ICP isn't a transition from a negative message to a positive one, but instead from a positive message delivered through subtext (couched in outwardly violent lyrics) to a positive one delivered through lyrics manifestly about transcendent wonderment. Ironically, educated whites are the only people too stupid to understand this.

Hate all you want on the violent assholes who did this, but think twice before you hate on ICP. There's a LOT of latent classism here, as throughout American culture, and it makes me--as an unemployed working-class American--sick.

Do you self-identify as a Juggalo? Serious question.

hahahahahaha

THIS THREAD JUST GOT REAL

It's a decent attempt at a save, but it doesn't erase the fact that the first thing that popped into your mind (just going by your initial post) wasn't the reprehensible behavior of the juggalos, but the wisdom of Tequila attending the concert. And really, it's not even about condemning you for your view.

I just don't see how someone can react to a story like this with anything other than an initial revulsion at the parties involved in the attack and a level of empathy for the victim, even if it is someone like Tequila. If you felt any of these things, they certainly weren't at the forefront of your concern in your initial post. The funny thing is, if someone had told me I would ever be coming to Tila Tequila's defense on a message board I would have thought they were crazy. But it isn't even about her. It's about a pack of savages who thought it "cool" to attack a woman and storm her trailer because she's a shitty media created personality. Her wisdom of attending said event is a DISTANT SECOND. It seems, however, to be the main thing you took from the story.

And like has already been pointed out, you can question her wisdom of attending the event but would someone really expect to get chased by screaming hordes hurling bottles and feces because of it?

Ah, boo hoo, the poor Juggalos. They have to listen to ICP's terrible music and it makes me --as an unemployed working class American with cancer--sick. See, I'm worse off, and I made my personal problems appear related to this conversation, so it makes my opinion mean more.

I'm looking really, really, really, really really really reallyreallyreallyreally hard for the latent classism here, and I'm coming up entirely empty.

I don't have anything to add*, I just didn't want this to vanish when you edit it later.


*I lied. Don't the ICP really exploit that disenfranchised poor white working class downtrodden demographic to fill their coffers? Why is the concert crowd in the "Miracles" video cgi, when ICP could have hired their legions of working class, low-income fans to be extras? J'accuse!

Dude who cares Policar just mounted a defense for the rich idiots in clown make-up and the message of equality and unity they hide in their songs about killing bitches.

RE: Agent of Chaos

Fine, you win, I'm a complete fucking asshole.

Now can we just stare at the guy who made a passionate defense of Juggalos and sing cumbaya?

Juggalo is neither a race nor a class. Neither is Trekkie or Deadhead or LARPer. Or Chewer, for that matter.

I can make generalizations about the KISS Army that would be racist if I substituted in "Asians", but that doesn't make them racist. Because KISS Army is not a race.

Edit: really beaten to the punch.

Still waiting to hear what, outside of perfect hindsight, made Tila's decision to appear so unwise.

There's a big difference between "this is not surprising at all" and "she had it coming", but verbally it's a slippery slope. I'm not ready to tar and feather Chris Miller yet.

Tila's only error was not listening to this before going.

From a GIS for "Juggalo":









Now, if you can honestly say that anyone in their right mind would have zero reticence about performing on front of these people, being on a wide open stage, essentially a sitting duck, than maybe I'm just an extraordinary wimp, and that's fine. Personally, I was raised to take a look at people who not only dress up as murderous clowns, but use that as an important part of their identity, and not go within 100 miles of 5 of them, let alone 5000 of them.

And, again, just so Agent of Chaos can keep his underwear thoroughly unbunched, Tila Tequila has been victimized by psychopaths. These guys are fucking stupid AND crazy. A person with average intelligence would understand that agreeing to do a show like this is agreeing to doing something risky and stupid, right? Talking about the should-be-obvious fact of how bad the fans are doesn't change that, does it? Of course she didn't "have it coming", but maybe people should look at this situation and take a lesson away from it. Rather than the lesson "Juggalos are still fucking assholes", they should take the lesson "Stay far away from fucking assholes".

Maybe she did her own GIS search and thought she was going to a baby funeral.

iCP is a CORPORATION who likely provides big ol' fancy legal contracts indicating what kind of security they provide to stars such as Tone Loc and Gallagher. This is the fault of the people who run the event, or thought the event would run itself.

I've never been asked to perform there, but I never heard about violence at these shows, only that they all love each other and provide the disenfranchised and overweight with a sense of family and community or something. Performing in front of hundreds of chubby poseurs doesn't seem like such a risky proposition on paper.

I can't see the last three pics, but the one I can see would, I think, indicate to someone unaware of their rep that they're more or less fat KISS fans in jerseys.

A lot of celebrities (or whatever the fuck she is), D-list or no, show up at a wide array of events/venues they know little about simply because they're being paid to do so. It's not a science, so there's no reason for her to be a scientist.

So was the festival's decision to book Tila in the first place a sign that perhaps the higher ups in the Juggalo hierarchy have lost touch with the needs of the true clown-proletariat? Or does including a nouveau riche scapegoat for the public to jeer at fulfill some sort of cathartic function? Or, indeed, were the festival organizers merely showing solidarity with Tila, who is after all a second generation immigrant, war refugee and former gangbanger? Did she and the juggalos meet, like two ships in the night, unaware that they should in fact be combating a common enemy? Inquiring minds need to know.

According to Policar, Juggalos are a sweet, misunderstood lot, so there should have been no reason for Tila to fear for her safety.

I don't think you're necessarily an asshole because of your commentary, though you think I'm a "white knight" because of mine. Heh.

I think that as a society, large parts of us have become desensitized to things because there's just so much information overload and it seems like heinous things are so commonplace that the human element of them can be lost. I suspect that this is the case with the reactions from some people to stories like this, not that the people involved are all unfeeling monsters (though I'm sure plenty of them are).

Clearly Tila Tequilla is the Marie Antoinette of this fiasco. "Let them drink Faygo!"

Henry Rollins used to tell a story about Rollins Band once agreeing to open for Iron Maiden on a stretch of European tour dates. He was amazed they got out of it alive, as rabid Maiden fans refused to listen to anything they played, and threw every n sharp object at them they could find, every night of the tour. TMZ wasn't around back then, but I'm pretty sure it still wouldn't be on their front page.

Moral of the story is this: Crazy fans act crazy. It does not, nor should it, excuse their crazy behavior, however, it should be a lesson learned from history to examine the job you are accepting, and make sure it is a good decision. No one ever deserves to get burned, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't roll my eyes at people who are foolish enough to play with fire.

Tequila is pretty enthusiastically promoted in the Juggalofomercial as a big gift to Juggalettes and the ladies' night. Did they try and murderape Lil Kim?

Now now, you're going to make me rethink my "you're not necessarily a fucking asshole" stance.

I'll state it AGAIN for you though. Tequila's wisdom for attending this event is a DISTANT SECOND to a horde of savages hurling bottles and feces at her and chasing her to a trailer but that's not what you focused on. I don't see why that's so hard to comprehend, but I guess it is.

I keep going back to the fact that she was invited. She didn't inquire. She didn't crash. They reached out to her (or her people), probably told her that the fans would fucking dig it, and that she would get paid, the latter likely being waaaaay more important than the former.

Again, how is accepting a paid invitation to perform at a festival that has been going on fairly uneventfully for 10 years "playing with fire"? I'm genuinely confused as to where you think her culpability comes from.

It really seems like in your conception, juggalos are more akin to the Hell's Angels than the KISS Army. I have to wonder where the hell you got that from. Unless you subscribe to some kind of thuddingly literal, Creationist-style interpretation of ICP lyrics?

Maybe my opinion of them is overamped, but I grew up around a lot of angry violent rednecks who seemed a LOT like these guys. Anecdotal evidence, I know, but they've never just seemed liked doofy chubby poseurs to me. They've always appeared more like a little girl chasing unruly mob just kind of waiting to happen.

That pic is the first thing I think of when I hear "Juggalo". For those that haven't seen it, here you go:

She was part of some kind of Ladies Night, on a stage featuring all female acts. So it's not like she was completely out of place. And it's also probably not like she can afford to be choosy about what gigs she takes.

that picture is AIDS.

I don't care for Ms Tequila (though I'll also admit to being completely unfamilar with her as an entertainer) but it's absurd to try to blame her for what went down. I only recently became aware of the existence of Juggalos, but at this point I'm more than willing to suspect that they're the people who ended up first embracing cannibalism in THE ROAD. They look scary as heck, and I'm actually legitimately concerned about them as a force in our society. The person who likened it to the Aryan Nation is not far off, and I hope that the SPLC or something is at least keeping a close eye on "Juggalos".