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There seems to be no thread dedicated exclusively to discussing Michael Caine. This should be remedied.

One of the all time great voices. Second only to Mitchum in his ability to make look absolutley bored and painfully cool with it. A smooth motherfucker in all aspects.

From 1964 to 1975, you've got Zulu, Alfie, The Italian Job, Get Carter, The Man Who Would Be King and the Harry Palmer movies. That's a pretty astonishing record of truly iconic roles.

Funeral In Berlin I think is a really underrated flick; love the Palmer persona, dorky glasses and all. I think that at its best it captures the sort of weary pessimism of Graham Greene's best spy novels - there is no clear sense that Harry is the good guy, and espionage is dirty, depressing business all around.

With his oft quoted work rate and can-do spirit when it comes to taking a paycheck, it's a wonder that - as far as I can tell - he never worked in italian genre cinema, even though he came up at pretty much the same time. Would have loved a Caine-led giallo or poliziotteschi. Heck, I'd even watch him in a spaghetti western (not a natural thing to imagine him in a cowboy outfit, but hey, it worked for Alain Delon!)

It's sort of a bummer that, with the advent of his old age, he's mainly cast these days as a wise voice of moral authority- even the roles Nolan gives him gravitate towards that area, though at least the Batman movies gave him an espionage background (which also makes it possible that Harry Palmer and Batman share a universe HAVE I BLOWN UR MIND.) Children Of Men, even though he plays a wise and moral character in that one too, comes closest to reminding me of the magnificent cad of yore, and proved he can still play mischievous quite well. Nothing against him being Wise British Dude every now and then, but I wish that aspect of his persona got more play these days.

Use this thread to discuss the work and wonder of CAINE.

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Yep, a huge favourite of mine.

What's It All About? was my first actor biography that I read when I was around thirteen and I've grown up in a house that adored the likes of The Man Who Would Be King and The Ipcress File. I have a massive soft spot for Dirty Rotten Scoundrels, not least of which because it displays Caines pitch-perfect comic timing, but because it was my first Caine film I got to see on the big screen. I also love his work in the smaller more dramatic films he did like Educating Rita - a movie that doesn't get enough love these days. Blame It On Rio was one of those 'helped usher me into puberty' films and then theres his work in made for TV stuff like the excellent The Fourth Protocal, which again rocked my world when I was a young'un.

All in all the man truly is an icon of my film-watching life and the cinema of the last 50 years would have been lesser without him really.
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Possibly my favourite Caine performance, and an often overlooked one, is in The Quiet American. It's an immensely nuanced moving performance, and is a departure from the 'wise old dude' type DanielRoffle talks about.

From what I've heard, I really need to see Gambit- anyone here seen it?
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I'm thoroughly Team (Richard) Harris, but no denying Get Carter and Gambit.
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To be fair, all Caine did was call Harris a drunk (not really the most controversial statement.) And both actors were well beyond their prime when the feud started up.

Not a fan of Michael Caine's recent cheerleading for David Cameron, or indeed Jon Stewart's doing a labour-bashing bit on The Daily Show when he came on.
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I kind of love Caine when he plays murderous weasels like in Deathtrap or A Shock to the System.
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Possibly my favourite Caine performance, and an often overlooked one, is in The Quiet American. It's an immensely nuanced moving performance, and is a departure from the 'wise old dude' type DanielRoffle talks about.

From what I've heard, I really need to see Gambit- anyone here seen it?
Gambit is a great little movie - it's one Caine's funniest roles and he has a really good chemistry with Shirley Maclaine. There are a lot of fun little twists along the way, talking about them would just spoil the best gags in the film, though. It's a must see for any Caine fan.
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I kind of love Caine when he plays murderous weasels like in Deathtrap or A Shock to the System.
Seconded, especially for 'A Shock to the System'. I champion that film to everyone who is looking for a good recommendation. It's a delightfully nasty little film with one of the best endings ever.
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I know it was mentioned higher up but The Man Who Would be King is fantastic. Both Caine and Connery are fantastic and it holds up well.
post #10 of 36
Watched Harry Brown last week. Caine still puts most current badasses to shame.
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Deathtrap is good, Sleuth is better. What I love about Caine is that he has given many great performances in his life, but he also knows when it's appropriate to just have fun in a role, like in those two and of course Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

In his way he's far classier than many actors who came from more privileged backgrounds. With his work ethic he'll take a "paycheck gig", but with him you can't tell that it was just a paycheck gig, he never phones it in or acts like he's above doing exploitation flicks or campy disaster flicks or whatever. It won't always be a fine performance, but it will guaranteed be an enjoyable one. Love his presence in stuff like Dressed to Kill, The Swarm ("I never dreamed it would be the bees! I mean, they've always been our friends!"), The Hand, The Island (his opinion on pirates- "bunch of arseholes playing Long John fucking Silver"). He was also great as Abberline in the British Jack the Ripper TV mini.

He always serves the story, he's charismatic as hell, he's an amazing serious dramatic actor, he can be fun, he can be funny, anyone who has seen Get Carter knows he can be very very badass, and he can move us emotionally (remembering his final scene in Children of Men). And if I really gave a shit about an actor's politics I would be denying myself a lot of good shit. Thread makes me sad that I still haven't seen Harry Brown yet. Michael Caine is awesome.

"Is this the slope bitch you've been banging? This the one who's got you all concerned about the dirty snow? Jesus, Forrest, you and me we bought hookers better than this for five bucks in Bangkok."
post #12 of 36
Thread is a good excuse to post Steve Coogan's brilliant Michael Caine impression (skip to 6:25)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOc_ZbrEvXs
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In his way he's far classier than many actors who came from more privileged backgrounds. With his work ethic he'll take a "paycheck gig", but with him you can't tell that it was just a paycheck gig, he never phones it in or acts like he's above doing exploitation flicks or campy disaster flicks or whatever. It won't always be a fine performance, but it will guaranteed be an enjoyable one.
So true. If you're gonna go for the paycheck, I'd much rather you be campy or OTT than dull.

I'm not about to let Caine's tory sympathies (which do seem to boil down to "don't let the same guys in charge too long") ruin Get Carter for me or anything but, ya know, they're fair enough game to talk about in a thread dedicated to him, I suppose.
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Caine does phone it in occasionally. Ever seen the dr jekyll and mr hyde he did for TV in the early 90s?

Still the Man is a grade A legend. If you like him playing slimy and evil, check out The Statement from 2003, where he plays unpleasant to the nth degree as an on the run French Nazi collaborator, the film is set in modern times. Tilda Swinton plays the foxy Judge hunting him down.
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His first role is among my fav because he plays upper crust so well and really has not since, Zulu. Also nothing show stopping by any means but he is charming as all get out in the original Italian Job.
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He also does a great chilling scary bastard in Mona Lisa - another under-rated Caine performance.
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He also does a great chilling scary bastard in Mona Lisa - another under-rated Caine performance.
Thanks for the reminder, RD. I'd almost forgotten how damn good this movie is, and how fuckin' slimy and malignant Caine is in his role.

Chewers, if you haven't seen this one, remedy the situation immediately.

ETA: Holy shit! The evil pimp in this is Lester from THE WIRE!
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No mention of Without a Clue yet? Hang your heads in shame.
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His first role is among my fav because he plays upper crust so well and really has not since, Zulu. Also nothing show stopping by any means but he is charming as all get out in the original Italian Job.
Haha, yeah, he's so great at arrogance that it's a wonder he hasn't done more upper class roles - though I suppose he's equally great at streetwise swagger, too, so that might account for it. Zulu is amazing, one of my favourite movies to watch on Blu-Ray.

And I'd say The Italian Job is pretty show stopping, as a whole! Caine doesn't give a big dramatic performance (it's not that kind of movie), but there's so much to love - "you were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off"! The misleading italian love song at the begining! Noel Coward! The minis! The cliffhanger ending! Such a fun movie.
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Zulu is amazing, one of my favourite movies to watch on Blu-Ray.
I didn't realize this was out on Blu-Ray...thanks for the tip. I take it it's a good transfer?
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I didn't realize this was out on Blu-Ray...thanks for the tip. I take it it's a good transfer?
It's good. The extras ain't all that, though.

EDIT: Also, it's R2.
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It's good. The extras ain't all that, though.

EDIT: Also, it's R2.
It's a Region-free disc. It works great on my PS3. If you go to Amazon's UK website they usually have it for pretty cheap.
post #23 of 36
Great thread. I've been a huge fan of Caine's ever since my dad showed me TMWWBK back when I was 6 or 7 or so, and that film was a huge influence on me. The scene where Caine and Connery express ignorance about Alexander III of Macedon only to get schooled by Plummer is priceless, and I remember the first time I ever saw it.. He's one of my favorite actors and I hope he gets the chance to stretch his acting muscles even more in the years to come

PS One relatively recent role of his in which I thought he excelled was THE QUIET AMERICAN. I think it's Fraiser's best role, but I don't think he'd have been able to elevate his game without Caine there to play off
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The saddest Michael Caine moment: in the Get Carter remake, when Sly delivers Carter's classic "you're a big man, but you're in bad shape" speech back to an aging Caine. stfu Sly!

But on a Caine/Stallone tip, I'll rep for Escape To Victory as a fun afternoon.
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The saddest Michael Caine moment: in the Get Carter remake, when Sly delivers Carter's classic "you're a big man, but you're in bad shape" speech back to an aging Caine. stfu Sly!

But on a Caine/Stallone tip, I'll rep for Escape To Victory as a fun afternoon.
Lol on the first point. (On top of that, in the AICN Q & A, Sly implied his version was the better made film. Say wha???)

In total agreement on the second.
post #26 of 36
Underrated Caine: The Men-On-A-Mission flick Play Dirty

It's really mean & nasty.
post #27 of 36
The leads have surprisingly good chemistry in VICTORY. There is one funny scene where Caine has to explain to Stallone his responsibilities as the goalie. The movie has a terrible reputation (it bombed, and John Huston was in decline) but I found it entertaining. Nice to see other supporters in this thread.

EDIT: Love PLAY DIRTY, Elvis. Great slow-burn Caine.
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Won't someone please defend The Magus?
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(On top of that, in the AICN Q & A, Sly implied his version was the better made film. Say wha???)
Jesus, really? I know Stallone's got an ego on him, but that takes balls if the implication was intentional. Though from unrelated interviews about other films, sometimes I think Stallone equates "morality" with "quality".
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The Mike Hodges GET CARTER is very faithful to Ted Lewis' novel (dialogue is almost word-for-word). Lewis wrote two follow-ups (Jack Carter and the Law, Jack Carter and the Mafia Pigeon) that take place prior to the events in Book 1. It would've been fun to see Caine reprise his role.
post #31 of 36
As a zombie. His quote concerning missing the Academy Awards b/c he was filming Jaws the Revenge is hilarious and one of the reasons I love the guy. He gave another interview recently, can't recall what magazine it was for (maybe GQ or something), but it's amazing as well.
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I do recommend people give his autobiography a read, it's a cracker.
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He makes the briefest of appearances in The Day the Earth caught Fire(great film). I didn't actually know he was in it, he plays a copper and you never see his face but that voice of his is so distinctive. It was a bit of a "what the fuck?" moment when i heard it. "ello, ello what going on ere?"

Rain Dog has name checked the films I was going to write about. Dirty Rotten Scoundrels and Educating Rita were the Michael Caine films that i would have associated with him back in my youth. One because Steve Martin was a god, (I didn't really appreciate Caines performance till years later) and Rita for being something that was on the telly al the time and something you studied for English at school.

I liked his work in Hannah and her sisters. He certainly knows how to make you cringe through a performance. I'm also a fan of Pulp but reactions to that seem to be very dividing. Caine's comic timing during the unreliable narration is spot on.
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Have to mention Ray Say in Little Voice. Superb, capped by his song at the end. Christ he's good in that scene. I think this was the film that, after all the dross he was in for a while, actually made him up the quality of the films he was in (Muppets are of course excluded).


Mind - respect is due for the way he approached the dross: eg. the sheer I don't really give a fuck vibe he exudes in Jaws 4 and he gives a brilliant line reading after being asked "how did you survive?" (after being apparently eaten by the voodoo shark whilst escaping a plane which had crashesd on the other side of the boat he reappeared on)...

"It wasn't easy, I can tell you."
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Set your DVR, Caine-philes!

9 Am tomorrow on MGMHD -- a killer "Men-on-a-Mission flick", Play Dirty. I saw it earlier this year and it kicked my ass.
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My wife and her sisters are big fans of California Suite, and while it's hardly my favorite, he and Smith are absolutely perfectly paired.

I think the only time I've ever seen him in something that he just didn't click with was the Sally Field comedy, Surrender. Drab and dull.
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