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Batman: Under the Red Hood

post #1 of 54
8/29/10 at 7:39pm
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This worked a lot better than I thought it would.

It has some of the strongest action scenes I've seen in these DC animated movies. There's hand to hand stuff, foot chases and even knife fights. The best action sequence is Batman and Red Hood vs. 4 super assassins. Batman should use miniature rocket boosters to get rid of enemies more often. The Robin flashbacks were well done. I liked how they worked Jason Todd stealing the Batmobile's tires into the movie. Also, Joker and Black Mask have some good moments that involve potato chips and punching employees in the face.

The ending is a poignant downer.
The ending (and some of the Robin flashbacks) make me wish there was an animated series or animated movie that properly utilized "energetic little kid Robin", though.
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post #2 of 54
8/29/10 at 9:17pm
Bought this blind, enjoyed it alot. Strange to have Bender as the Clown Prince of Crime. Loved all the league of assassin touches. Best Batman DTV yet.
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post #3 of 54
8/29/10 at 10:08pm
Under The Red Hood is...BATtastic! I give it...5 Batarangs out of, 5! I never liked the...Jason Todd Robin, so I did not find his death, sad. I liked the original Robin, when I used to watch...Adam West's Batman, and he was ok in...Batman TAS, But I always liked...Batgirl, as a sidekick better. Dick Grayson is a little better as, Nightwing. This is clearly the...Best Batman dtv, at least until the next...Batman/Superman team up vs, Darkseid on...September 28th. I predict that will be a...Super Day, as it is also the release date for...Iron Man, TOO!
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post #4 of 54
8/30/10 at 12:04am
You know DC has made some really great animated films. This is one of them. Timm has that magic touch.
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post #5 of 54
8/30/10 at 3:54pm
I don't know much about this... Is it true that it is a sequel to A Death In The Family?

Which begs the question... Why not do a movie of that? It's a little dated, yes. But nothing that can't be altered and updated.
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post #6 of 54
8/30/10 at 4:16pm
No, it's not really a sequel so much as it's DC ramming their heads deep up their own butts and then cannibalizing themselves from the inside out.
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post #7 of 54
8/30/10 at 6:28pm
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I don't know much about this... Is it true that it is a sequel to A Death In The Family?

Which begs the question... Why not do a movie of that? It's a little dated, yes. But nothing that can't be altered and updated.
Perhaps because the only good parts of "A Death in the Family" are Jason Todd getting beaten by the Joker, and Batman picking through the rubble afterwards and finding the body. And some untranslatable Jim Aparo storytelling. You're pretty much stuck with a ground up rewrite, which probably won't satisfy the purists. It's a no win situation.

And, probably because a story of Batman essentially losing probably isn't going to sell that much.
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post #8 of 54
8/30/10 at 6:42pm
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Perhaps because the only good parts of "A Death in the Family" are Jason Todd getting beaten by the Joker, and Batman picking through the rubble afterwards and finding the body. And some untranslatable Jim Aparo storytelling. You're pretty much stuck with a ground up rewrite, which probably won't satisfy the purists. It's a no win situation.

And, probably because a story of Batman essentially losing probably isn't going to sell that much.
Points taken.... But I think it was very well-written by Jim Starlin. Some sharp, memorable dialogs throughout.

I guess, more than anything else, I would love to see the aforementioned Joker beatdown as well as the UN climax (with Superman included) and that very Joel Silver-like helicopter showdown dramatized in an animated film.

ETA: JacknifeJohnny made me laugh so loud I embarrassed myself in my office.
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post #9 of 54
8/30/10 at 6:47pm
Under the Red Hood opens with a flashback of Joker (pretty brutally) beating Robin to death with a crowbar. That scene alone would probably serve to garner it its PG-13 rating.
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post #10 of 54
8/30/10 at 10:00pm
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I don't know much about this... Is it true that it is a sequel to A Death In The Family?

Which begs the question... Why not do a movie of that? It's a little dated, yes. But nothing that can't be altered and updated.
Roughly 25% of the film is taken from ADITF.

Let's now all be thankful a certain reality-altering punch is nowhere to be found.
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post #11 of 54
10/26/10 at 2:59pm
Just caught this on Netflix Instant and can only echo Wade's initial post. Under the Red Hood features the best choreographed fighting of any Batman feature--whether it be Burton's movies, the various animated series, or Adam West--to date. Really well done from top to bottom.
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post #12 of 54
10/27/10 at 4:01am
agree'd. i remember thinking that multiple times throughout the movie.

love DCs animated output. now if only Marvel could catch up on that
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post #13 of 54
10/27/10 at 4:32am
Pretty solid, albeit really brief, animated outing. I do love that nearly 20 years later, Dani and Timm's rendering of these animated characters is still the go to norm for these films. Loved seeing the GCPD blimp flying around, and the consistent designs of the Bat-vehicles and even Ra's Al Guhl. Voice work for the most part was terrific, although I'm in a weird place with Bruce Greenwood's Bats-- he did a great job, but was Kevin Conroy not available? Cause pretty much Greenwood just did a carbon copy voice job. Real high-quality one, but still, it's baffling.

Wasn't a fan of John DiMaggio's Joker. Too blase and henchman-like for most of the time. Every once in a while the craziness would come through, but he seemed more Hannibal Lector than Joker. I guess he wanted to do a different take, and so turned it way, way, waaaaay down.
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post #14 of 54
10/27/10 at 4:41am
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Pretty solid, albeit really brief, animated outing. I do love that nearly 20 years later, Dani and Timm's rendering of these animated characters is still the go to norm for these films. Loved seeing the GCPD blimp flying around, and the consistent designs of the Bat-vehicles and even Ra's Al Guhl. Voice work for the most part was terrific, although I'm in a weird place with Bruce Greenwood's Bats-- he did a great job, but was Kevin Conroy not available? Cause pretty much Greenwood just did a carbon copy voice job. Real high-quality one, but still, it's baffling.
That's the one bad thing about these films, they can't afford to have a runtime past 80 minutes. I think they have to stunt cast on all the movies except for the Superman/Batman titles, those they are able to use the series voice actors.

One thing I really love though are the shorts, the Jonah Hex and Spectre ones were great. The casting and the look/feel of them were prefect.
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post #15 of 54
11/16/10 at 2:40pm
Where's the Jonah Hex short? I saw a clip from the Spectre short and loved it. (Been catching these on Instant, so no bonus shorts for me)

I heard a Mazuchelli-style Batman: Year One is in the pipeline.
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post #16 of 54
11/16/10 at 3:11pm
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The Jonah Hex and Green Arrow shorts are on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTlI0xzjYFc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XLZIfejcNo

And YEAR ONE is coming out in September. Supposedly they've adapted the entire book and the look of it will be based on Mazzucchelli's art.
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post #17 of 54
11/16/10 at 3:31pm
oh my god it's so sad that Thomas Jane is doing the Hex voice...

Those were good! I'm a little uneasy with how violent this wave of animation seems to have gotten. Fewer and fewer superhero stories for kids anymore.
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post #18 of 54
11/16/10 at 4:12pm
Nice to see Rooker playing (voicing?) against type......ha ha ha, he's soooo good at the sleaze bag characters.


The guy playing "motor boat" at 6:19 kills me.
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post #19 of 54
11/18/10 at 5:25pm
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oh my god it's so sad that Thomas Jane is doing the Hex voice...

Those were good! I'm a little uneasy with how violent this wave of animation seems to have gotten. Fewer and fewer superhero stories for kids anymore.
I don't know, in a toss up between Brolin and Jane, I think I'd rather be the guy who was the voice of Hex rather than the face, considering the movie.
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post #20 of 54
11/18/10 at 5:30pm
There's that, but stepping back one more level, pretty sure I'd rather have Josh Brolin's career than Thomas Jane's.
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post #21 of 54
11/18/10 at 5:48pm
This is true.
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post #22 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:18am
Man, the Spectre short is great! Opens with a riff on the Dirty Harry title sequence (complete with Lalo Schifrin-esque music), has a walking dead sequence scored like Day of the Dead, and features a car un-denting itself and killing a guy to a really Carpenter-esque music cue. Plus Grindhouse style film scratches. Out-homages Planet Terror. Really liked this one.
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post #23 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:25am
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Yeah the SPECTRE short is the best one. Great music and a super smooth version of Corrigan that says stuff like "NO DICE" and always has a toothpick in his mouth. There's a dvd/bluray that collects all of these called SUPERMAN/SHAZAM: THE RETURN OF BLACK ADAM.
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post #24 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:28am
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And YEAR ONE is coming out in September. Supposedly they've adapted the entire book and the look of it will be based on Mazzucchelli's art.
Yeah, this is one of my most anticipated releases for next year.

As for Under The Red Hood, it was the first of DC's animated DTV's that I actually found myself enjoying, especially surprising considering it was based on a Judd Winick story. Stopped clocks and all that, I guess...
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post #25 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:29am
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Yeah the SPECTRE short is the best one. Great music and a super smooth version of Corrigan that says stuff like "NO DICE" and always has a toothpick in his mouth. There's a dvd/bluray that collects all of these called SUPERMAN/SHAZAM: THE RETURN OF BLACK ADAM.
Is Return of Black Adam in itself a short?

And holy shit the Crisis on Two Earths blu ray has the Spectre short, 4 JL episodes and the live action pilots of Wonder Woman (yay Lynda Carter!) and Aquaman (which looks properly fucked, but has Lou Diamond Phillips in it).
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post #26 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:39am
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Is Return of Black Adam in itself a short?

And holy shit the Crisis on Two Earths blu ray has the Spectre short, 4 JL episodes and the live action pilots of Wonder Woman (yay Lynda Carter!) and Aquaman (which looks properly fucked, but has Lou Diamond Phillips in it).
It's 22 minutes, so it's the longest short they've done. Also, the other shorts on the disc are extended versions.
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post #27 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:54am
Goddamn it.
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post #28 of 54
11/24/10 at 1:54am
Really enjoyed this, great voice cast, great action and HOLY SHIT THEY'RE DOING YEAR ONE!!??

Oh, and dug the hell out of The Spectre short as well.
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post #29 of 54
11/28/10 at 3:06am
Superman: Doomsday is on Instant Watch, and it's a nice streamlined, non-shit adaptation (barely) of the "Death of Superman" story. Still semi-plagued by the blood/swearing/implied fucking that keep these things from being terribly kid-friendly, but some nice twists and fun story beats.
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post #30 of 54
11/28/10 at 3:32am
I think I'm alone in my opinion but I thought this was a fairly blah story. Yeah, it's all ultra-violent and dark but the story beats were so predictable that it felt a lot like they were going through the motions. Perhaps I'm just not a Judd Winick fan. Also, the only voice actor who I really took to was NPH's Nightwing, which is a shame since that's usually these WB Animation's strength. The animation itself was pretty solid and a big improvement from the Public Enemies DTV.

Much bigger fan of the Justice League Crisis on Two Earths and the recent Superman/Batman Apocalypse DTVs, but I've been on a big Justice League kick as of late, and Lauren Montgomery's direction has been some of the strongest work from the Dini/Timm camp.
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post #31 of 54
11/28/10 at 3:35am
LOVED this. Is it this one or another one on Netflix instant that has the catwoman short at the end...? Cause I love that short.

Anyway, huge fan.

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Superman: Doomsday is on Instant Watch, and it's a nice streamlined, non-shit adaptation (barely) of the "Death of Superman" story. Still semi-plagued by the blood/swearing/implied fucking that keep these things from being terribly kid-friendly, but some nice twists and fun story beats.
Plagued?
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post #32 of 54
11/28/10 at 12:38pm
Yeah, I'm not a member of the "let's make them for ADULTS!" camp so much. Feels forced and is an ill fit.

Which Catwoman short???
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post #33 of 54
11/28/10 at 12:51pm
DiMaggio's Joker was fine, it was a different take. I'd prefer having a different actor for the different style of character. That was what was so jarring about Gotham Knights. Looking at 19-year old Anime Bruce Wayne with Kevin Conroy's voice.

It just didn't match up at all.
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post #34 of 54
11/28/10 at 1:58pm
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Yeah, I'm not a member of the "let's make them for ADULTS!" camp so much. Feels forced and is an ill fit.

Which Catwoman short???
I think he's talking about something that was attached to the MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN movie that was released years ago. It's a decent little short called CHASE ME that has no dialogue.

Which reminds me, they need to do animated CATWOMAN movie that's based on the Brubaker/Cooke comics.
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post #35 of 54
11/28/10 at 4:09pm
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Yeah, I'm not a member of the "let's make them for ADULTS!" camp so much. Feels forced and is an ill fit.

Which Catwoman short???
Oooh, I gotcha.

Personally, I find the more adult storytelling quite refreshing. It kinda seems to me like a natural progression from the lighter fare I got as a kid/teen to now.

Also, I'm from the Mortal Kombat generation and, according to Joe Lieberman, that has ruined my fragile mind and warped my expectation of gore/mayhem forever.
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I think he's talking about something that was attached to the MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN movie that was released years ago. It's a decent little short called CHASE ME that has no dialogue
Bingo!

ETA - Honestly, MYSTERY OF THE BATWOMAN was a pretty solid entry, but that short blew it completely out of the water.
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post #36 of 54
11/28/10 at 5:09pm
Timm wants to do a Catwoman solo film.

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Oooh, I gotcha.

Personally, I find the more adult storytelling quite refreshing.
But a lot of the time it doesn't feel more "adult" to me. It just uses the words "ass", "hell", and "son of a bitch", and has blood pouring out of people's mouths. In fact, when they include episodes of the animated JL/JLU series on these blu rays, the storytelling on the new stuff comes up short in comparison.

I'm enjoying them; I just don't feel they're necessarily "growing." Sometimes the discipline of having to color inside the lines works out the storytelling muscles a bit more.
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post #37 of 54
11/28/10 at 5:13pm
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I'm enjoying them; I just don't feel they're necessarily "growing." Sometimes the discipline of having to color inside the lines works out the storytelling muscles a bit more.
Definitely agree with you there... I suppose it's a mileage may vary situation. The newer take feels, to me, like they're getting to flex those storytelling muscles more than before.
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post #38 of 54
11/28/10 at 5:17pm
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In fact, when they include episodes of the animated JL/JLU series on these blu rays, the storytelling on the new stuff comes up short in comparison.
Exactly. The Cadmus arc all the way to the end of the 1st season of JLU was the best original storyline they've ever done and stands above most of the adapted OVA moviesin terms of sophistication. Not to mention the Luthor/Brainiac *team-up* was inspired.
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post #39 of 54
11/28/10 at 6:22pm
Not too inspired, as the team-up was a homage to WHATEVER HAPPENED TO THE MAN OF TOMORROW?

You can't really beat JLU though, its the apex of Bruce Timm's work (Sorry B:TAS).
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post #40 of 54
11/28/10 at 6:42pm
Fair enough. I'll freely admit to having a pitifully scant knowledge of the DCU. The Justice League cartoons have been my primary introduction to all the characters and big story arcs. (I wish this wasn't the case but diving into the back catalog for the DC gems seems like an expensive and time-consuming proposition.) That said, the way it was done in JLU reminded me more of body horror anime than anything else. Really dark without the usual posturing that comes with being, uh, "dark".
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post #41 of 54
11/29/10 at 1:28am
"Slidge."

I like the way these adaptations seem to have been freed from their inspirations, taking what they want and chucking the rest. Ideas might start in the comics, but then they do whatever the hell they want. The "Knights of Tomorrow" episode of Brave and the Bold was a great example of this.
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post #42 of 54
11/29/10 at 9:42pm
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ALL STAR SUPERMAN dvd cover art and info:

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/V.../news/?a=25811

Bruce Timm/Grant Morrison commentary!
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post #43 of 54
11/29/10 at 10:07pm
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Exactly. The Cadmus arc all the way to the end of the 1st season of JLU was the best original storyline they've ever done and stands above most of the adapted OVA moviesin terms of sophistication. Not to mention the Luthor/Brainiac *team-up* was inspired.
Also, when the Flash taps into the Speed Force, that was a great moment.
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post #44 of 54
11/29/10 at 10:42pm
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ALL STAR SUPERMAN dvd cover art and info:

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/V.../news/?a=25811

Bruce Timm/Grant Morrison commentary!
I was really stoked for this as I quite enjoyed the run of comics this story is based on but seeing Sam Liu's name attached as director has me deflated. I thought Public Enemies had pretty disappointing animation.
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post #45 of 54
11/29/10 at 10:47pm
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Originally Posted by wadew1 View Post
ALL STAR SUPERMAN dvd cover art and info:

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/V.../news/?a=25811

Bruce Timm/Grant Morrison commentary!
It's bullshit that the commentary is only going to be on the Blu-ray.
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post #46 of 54
11/29/10 at 11:34pm
They've been putting exclusive content on almost all the blu rays.
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post #47 of 54
11/29/10 at 11:47pm
I know, but you would figure that a commentary track would be on both formats.
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post #48 of 54
11/30/10 at 4:53am
nice. love the allstar superman comics, can't wait to see what Mr. Timm does with it
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post #49 of 54
2/8/11 at 6:22pm
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Superman/Shazam: The Return of Black Adam is up on Netflix instant and it includes all of the shorts.

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post #50 of 54
2/9/11 at 7:35am

Thanks for the tip.

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