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post #1 of 60
8/31/10 at 7:30pm
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Here's one that I hope gets us talking...

And let me be clear... I don't mean for this to be yet another patented Chud YOU HAVE NO TASTE thread. This is not: "2001 sucks because it's boring... Bye."

But I think we can all agree that there is no such thing as a "perfect" film. And even the most wonderful, beloved films of all time have at least one flaw. In some cases, a considerable one that we let slide either because the makers have done their job so well, we don't notice it; or the rest of the film is so flawless that we are willing to excuse it.

So, let's talk about that here. And we can tell each other that we're full of shit, or agree that it is a flaw and then argue why it doesn't hurt the film or agree that it does damage the picture; and so on...

And I'll start us off with THE DEER HUNTER.

This classic Best Picture winner is filled with great things. Terrific performances (including a final gift from John Cazale), great sense of detail and atmosphere, passionate filmmaking, epic set pieces...

But, for me, the messy way Cimino chose to structure the film is a serious flaw that impedes my emotional connection and enjoyment of the film.

I don't get why he went for this fragmented narrative approach. I suppose to reflect the fragmented nature of the veterans' psyche. And that is valid. But it makes the movie a frustrating experience...

It feels like you're watching a really compelling movie but it's late at night and you keep dozing off.

You watch it open, meet these interesting characters, the wedding is like in The Godfather, then they go hunting... then you nod off... you wake up and they're already in the heat of battle in Viet Nam. ...then you nod off... you wake up and they're in the POW camp. ...nod off... They're escaping! ...nod off... Chris Walken is crying in the hospital because he can't remember his mom's name. ...nod off... De Niro is riding home in a cab. ...nod off... He's back in Saigon looking to rescuse Walken.....

Anyway, you get what I'm saying, right? The fragmented narrative makes it impossible for me to connect with the characters or the drama of the piece.

Also: Not to sound unpatriotic, but closing your war movie with veterans sitting around singing America The Beautiful is pushing things.
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post #2 of 60
8/31/10 at 7:46pm
Yeah, Deer Hunter's the perfect film to begin this thread with.

Cimino's "off" narrative pacing is the reason I only revisit this movie every 10 years compared with every 10 weeks with The Godfather.
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post #3 of 60
8/31/10 at 7:52pm
Bad taste thread: August 31st, 2010.
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post #4 of 60
8/31/10 at 7:55pm
The Last Emperor is full of them.
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post #5 of 60
8/31/10 at 8:11pm
God, I'd been working on a chink joke since I saw the thread title. Kudos, Phil.
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post #6 of 60
8/31/10 at 10:43pm
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Yes. Har de har har and all that....

But I'm glad Art Decade at least engaged the discussion itself. That's basically the problem with The Deer Hunter. It's this great film that I should love. But I just can't. It won't let me. Does anyone other than Parker and myself find this narrative choice to be a problem?

And, to reiterate, it might be inevitable - but let's NOT turn this thread into BAD TASTE - SEPTEMBER EDITION.
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post #7 of 60
8/31/10 at 11:03pm
"Jaws" is my favorite movie. But even I'll admit the shark looks fake in places. Especially that loose, flappy bottom jaw. That being said, I DON'T want some dumbass to go back with CGI and "fix" it. Embrace the imperfections.
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post #8 of 60
8/31/10 at 11:58pm
There's this part in Midnight Run where...AGH! No! I can't do it!
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post #9 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:25am
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The Last Emperor is full of them.
I saw the title of the thread and came in here to say Ninja Turtles III. That's the difference between you and me I guess.


But I'll take a stab at the topic re: Deer Hunter. I never saw it as a distraction, really. I think that we're seeing the big moments that highlight the divergences. Like when the kid from high school seems SO MUCH skinnier because you haven't seen the intervening ten years when he lost 5 pounds a year. It's about drastic changes. I don't know though, it's been a while.
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post #10 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:28am
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I saw the title of the thread and came in here to say Ninja Turtles III. That's the difference between you and me I guess.
Dude, really? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III was partly set in Japan, not China.

Not only are you racist, but you aren't a fan of the Turtles. I honestly do not know which is worse.
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post #11 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:32am
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Dude, really? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III was partly set in Japan, not China.

Not only are you racist, but you aren't a fan of the Turtles. I honestly do not know which is worse.
Told ya there was a difference. I will now commit the hallowed Vietnamese act of Harakiri.
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post #12 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:52am
The Godfather is everything bright and wonderful, an ornament to world cinema, etc.

But I find myself annoyed by anything having to do with Sonny.

He's supposed to be a dick. I get that. But he's a dick in a way that takes me out of the movie. And, maybe coincidentally, he's involved in the two fakest-looking scenes of violence in the movie. I dunno, he smacks of Hollywood in a way that the other major characters don't. Maybe because he isn't around for part II, where Michael and especially Fredo acquired even more shading. Maybe also Caan isn't in Pacino and Cazale's league. He did better work as he got older, I think. And maybe also Coppola didn't see himself in Sonny the way he saw himself in Michael and Fredo, so Sonny kind of stayed what-you-see-is-what-you-get.

This does, though, remind me of one of the saga's great ironies: Don Corleone's three sons aren't worth his jizz. Sonny's a hothead, Fredo's an idiot, and Michael is a genius at plotting and organization but becomes a total prick and, really, a monster. (Of course, part III turned him into a nice old man full of guilt. And Connie is revealed to be a tough old broad who could plausibly take over the family herself.) Tom Hagen was always the rock holding that organization together, really.
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post #13 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:23am
When there is no more room in hell, the folks at CHUD will post their lack of taste.
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post #14 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:35am
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Dude, really? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III was partly set in Japan, not China.

Not only are you racist, but you aren't a fan of the Turtles. I honestly do not know which is worse.
"The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude."

EDIT: I should engage in the actual discussion for a sec though. Drag Me To Hell seems to be a sacred cow around these parts so I'll just say it. Having a female lead and being PG-13 hurts the film for me. Seeing a guy get the shit kicked out of him is fun, seeing it happen to a girl? Eh... not so fun. Just one man's opinion.
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post #15 of 60
9/1/10 at 6:52am
You must hate all slashers.
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post #16 of 60
9/1/10 at 7:32am
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Seeing a guy get the shit kicked out of him is fun, seeing it happen to a girl? Eh... not so fun. Just one man's opinion.
Sexist.
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post #17 of 60
9/1/10 at 8:10am
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The Godfather is everything bright and wonderful, an ornament to world cinema, etc.

But I find myself annoyed by anything having to do with Sonny.

He's supposed to be a dick. I get that. But he's a dick in a way that takes me out of the movie. And, maybe coincidentally, he's involved in the two fakest-looking scenes of violence in the movie. I dunno, he smacks of Hollywood in a way that the other major characters don't. Maybe because he isn't around for part II, where Michael and especially Fredo acquired even more shading. Maybe also Caan isn't in Pacino and Cazale's league. He did better work as he got older, I think. And maybe also Coppola didn't see himself in Sonny the way he saw himself in Michael and Fredo, so Sonny kind of stayed what-you-see-is-what-you-get.
This is really interesting. Not sure I agree with you. Except for the sidewalk ass-kicking which DOES look all sorts of fake. But you make a lot of interesting points and it's the reason I started this thread. Thank you sir.

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Seeing a guy get the shit kicked out of him is fun, seeing it happen to a girl? Eh... not so fun. Just one man's opinion.
Valid.

But I guess you're not one for S&M/Bondage cinema. Nor do you like those Pam Grier prison movies.
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post #18 of 60
9/1/10 at 8:26am
I get what you are trying to do with this thread Erix and it's actually a good idea (screw the haters). This is not about showing we have no taste but rather taking off the Rose tinted glasses and critically examining our favorite films.

With that in mind;

There is one scene in Jurassic Park that stops it being perfect (although it still sits nicely in my top 10 movie list). A pre teenage girl being an expert hacker and good enough to reboot a system that someone who had been working alongside its creator could not do earlier in the film. It would have been better if she was older or if Samuel L Jackson's character was not dead (my mortally wounded) and had to help her.

The scene just smacks of giving her a hero moment.
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post #19 of 60
9/1/10 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
Dude, really? Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles III was partly set in Japan, not China.

Not only are you racist, but you aren't a fan of the Turtles. I honestly do not know which is worse.
Given how Hollywood isn't exactly a fan of casting country to country (Chinese actors playing Chinese characters, Japanese actors playing Japanese characters, etc.) I thought he intended another layer to that joke.
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post #20 of 60
9/1/10 at 9:14am
I swear I've seen this thread before (but I could be wrong), because the movie I'm about to mention I've seen mentioned in another thread for the same reason:

Superman

Great great great movie. Love Reeve, Hackman effectively chews scenery as Luthor, Williams' score is awesome, and there's just an air of wonderment and charm to the whole flick.

"Can You read My Mind?" stops it dead halfway through.
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post #21 of 60
9/1/10 at 9:42am
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This is really interesting. Not sure I agree with you. Except for the sidewalk ass-kicking which DOES look all sorts of fake. But you make a lot of interesting points and it's the reason I started this thread. Thank you sir.
Thanks. It doesn't really blemish the achievement. If anything it's just something that sticks out after multiple viewings. "Ah, fuck, another Sonny scene." I forgot to mention the way he bites his fist when he goes to see Connie after Carlo beat the shit out of her again.

Again, I think Coppola saw Sonny as the kind of asshole Italian he grew up around and feared, being a fat little sensitive Italian kid himself. Coppola probably got bullied by a few Sonnys. Also, not to knock Caan too much, but unlike Pacino and Cazale he isn't Italian, and sometimes over-indicates the goombah Eye-talian mannerisms. To be fair to him, he may just have been giving the performance Coppola wanted from him — the hot-head without a lot of depth.

I agree with others that this isn't or shouldn't be considered a You Have No Taste thread. If anything it's about movies we otherwise revere and love, but there's something about them that rings false to us after umpteen viewings, something we'd only notice after umpteen viewings and a lot of thought.
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post #22 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:06am
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When there is no more room in hell, the folks at CHUD will post their lack of taste.
The zombies in Dawn of the Dead are covered in blue greasepaint.
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post #23 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:08am
This thread has already eclipsed the Devin's Next Gig thread as far as funny jokes are concerned.
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post #24 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:14am
Dawn of the Dead is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's kind of obvious that the effects and makeup are dated; I don't give a shit that they're dated. What is to be gained by compiling a list of "lol that shit is so fake"? Is it part of the viewing experience to point out the flaws in the beloved, or should we be going further to try to figure out why the flaws don't take away from the whole, and how those flaws (like blue greasepaint and orange blood) actually become part of the organism of the film, and can be just as celebrated as the universally-accepted "good" parts? If you showed me a frame from the fakest, fakey fake part of Dawn of the Dead right now, it would put me in a good mood. The shortcomings aren't just something to be put up with.
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post #25 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:20am
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Dawn of the Dead is one of my favorite movies of all time. It's kind of obvious that the effects and makeup are dated; I don't give a shit that they're dated. What is to be gained by compiling a list of "lol that shit is so fake"?
Well, at least it's made me want to rewatch Dawn of the Dead.
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post #26 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:21am
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Having a female lead and being PG-13 hurts the film for me. Seeing a guy get the shit kicked out of him is fun, seeing it happen to a girl? Eh... not so fun. Just one man's opinion.
So, if I'm reading you right, you felt the rating inhibited the gore/violence factor, but are disappointed that what gore there was was directed at a woman. Meh.
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post #27 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:22am
Why would Indiana Jones be afraid of snakes? That's so gay.
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post #28 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:23am
To be fair, Erix, you set up an interesting discussion, but I feel your first example went against everything in your set up. You follow this:

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even the most wonderful, beloved films of all time have at least one flaw. In some cases, a considerable one that we let slide either because the makers have done their job so well, we don't notice it; or the rest of the film is so flawless that we are willing to excuse it.
...with something that feels like "I don't get why this film is so special", citing a "fragmented narrative" that "makes it impossible for (you) to connect with the characters or the drama of the piece." That doesn't sound anything like what you describe in your mission statement.
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post #29 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:23am
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There is one scene in Jurassic Park that stops it being perfect (although it still sits nicely in my top 10 movie list). A pre teenage girl being an expert hacker and good enough to reboot a system that someone who had been working alongside its creator could not do earlier in the film. It would have been better if she was older or if Samuel L Jackson's character was not dead (my mortally wounded) and had to help her.
I don't have too much of a problem with that, since we've seen Lex be a scared scream machine for the whole film, but finally back in her element, she kicks in and saves the day. And Jackson hadn't actually gotten to the point of rebooting; he was still trying to get through the code on the live system. It's a stretch, but not a killer one.

What kills JP stone-cold dead is how the film just comes to a screeching halt at the end. They just climb in a jeep and calmly drive to the helicopter, which takes off with no problems? It felt like we needed one final action scene between the T-rex rescue and the flight. And goddamn pelicans is not the final image you give us in a dinosaur movie. Splice the final scene from Lost World onto the end of JP, with the helicopter flying away in the background, and I'd think ten times more highly of JP than I do.

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I swear I've seen this thread before (but I could be wrong), because the movie I'm about to mention I've seen mentioned in another thread for the same reason:

Superman

Great great great movie. Love Reeve, Hackman effectively chews scenery as Luthor, Williams' score is awesome, and there's just an air of wonderment and charm to the whole flick.

"Can You read My Mind?" stops it dead halfway through.
I think the film loses a whole hell of a lot with the move away from Smallville. Such a dated view of Metropolis/NYC, and the camp starts to kick into high gear as well. I mean, we go from that mythic aerial shot of Clark and his mother staring out across the wheat fields as John Williams' theme soars to Otis buying pretzels. Not that the film didn't need some comic relief, but it's like two different films spliced together sometimes.
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post #30 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:32am
Right after Dooku incapacitates Obi-Wan during the climactic duel at the end of Attack of the Clones, Anakin begins his attack using the classic Shii-Cho form. When the camera cuts to Dooku and then back to Anakin, we see that his palms are now facing downward. This is clearly the Juyo form.
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post #31 of 60
9/1/10 at 10:35am
It's not a sacred cow of cinema by any means, but I love Spider-Man because it was very good and ushered in an era of quality superhero movies.

But Macy Gray's cameo...That shit I can't abide.
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post #32 of 60
9/1/10 at 11:03am
Casablanca is clearly shot on a set. Pulls me out of the movie every time.
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post #33 of 60
9/1/10 at 11:10am
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Casablanca is clearly shot on a set. Pulls me out of the movie every time.
Also, there is no such thing as a "letter of transit". ZOMG!
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post #34 of 60
9/1/10 at 11:31am
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Told ya there was a difference. I will now commit the hallowed Vietnamese act of Harakiri.
As a side note, you ever notice how Harakiri sounds like Hello Kitty?
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post #35 of 60
9/1/10 at 11:56am
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I don't have too much of a problem with that, since we've seen Lex be a scared scream machine for the whole film, but finally back in her element, she kicks in and saves the day. And Jackson hadn't actually gotten to the point of rebooting; he was still trying to get through the code on the live system. It's a stretch, but not a killer one.

What kills JP stone-cold dead is how the film just comes to a screeching halt at the end. They just climb in a jeep and calmly drive to the helicopter, which takes off with no problems? It felt like we needed one final action scene between the T-rex rescue and the flight. And goddamn pelicans is not the final image you give us in a dinosaur movie. Splice the final scene from Lost World onto the end of JP, with the helicopter flying away in the background, and I'd think ten times more highly of JP than I do.
I never really had a problem with the ending but I can see your point. Athough you have to admit the shot of the T-Rex with the banner floating down around him is pretty iconic.
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post #36 of 60
9/1/10 at 11:59am
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What is to be gained by compiling a list of "lol that shit is so fake"?
Not much, but this thread isn't about that. Yeah, Carlo's beatdown looks fake and Sonny's murder is a bit too schlocky/splattery for the tone of the movie*, but those are tangential to my problems with Sonny.

No movie is perfect, and this thread I think is meant to point out what we perceive to be flaws in our beloved movies. What is to be gained by saying "The Godfather is perfectly perfect perfection" and leaving it at that? We're not saying "LOL FAKE THEREFORE THIS MOVIE SUCKS." We're saying, for instance, there's that ten-minute stretch in Pink Floyd: The Wall where the movie plays with fascist imagery and I always wish it wouldn't, primarily because Alan Parker seems to be getting such a goddamn kick out of staging the various brutalities committed by Pink's brownshirts. It's an issue that goes back to the album and its view of rock stars as demagogues and their audience as easily-led meat for the worm-grinder, but on film it comes perilously close to "Nazis! Bad-ass, dude!"

*Both, of course, could be Coppola's perhaps unintended critique of Sonny, who's this big bad-ass, but his punches clearly aren't connecting. And the way Coppola kills him off feels almost contemptuous — that final kick to the skull seals it: "So much for your temper and big dick, asshole." Sonny's death only moves us to the extent that it moves the Don, and Brando sells the shit out of "Look what they did to my boy." Other than that Sonny's just a pawn who got taken off the board.
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post #37 of 60
9/1/10 at 12:02pm
man, movies are so fake. I bet they never even happened.
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post #38 of 60
9/1/10 at 12:15pm
I hate that Lisa Bonet was cast in "High Fidelity". I wish I could go back George Lucas style and edit/replace her. I hate the way she sang and she was not attractive enough to convincingly be a babe Cusack and his friends drool over. Without her, I would consider "High Fidelity" an absolutely perfect movie. There is not a single moment when it steps wrong, except when she's on screen.
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post #39 of 60
9/1/10 at 12:24pm
Definitely agreed on High Fidelity.

Whatever happened to Iben Hjejle, anyway? And how the fuck do you pronounce her name?
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post #40 of 60
9/1/10 at 12:28pm
Depending on my mood, I hate/love how Red reads Andy's letter at the end of Shawshank.

I hate it because Freeman takes so goddamn long emoting and looking behind his shoulder. Fits his character's story, but it's overdone.
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post #41 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:21pm
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To be fair, Erix, you set up an interesting discussion, but I feel your first example went against everything in your set up.
Hey Phil... Thanks for calling me out. I didn't mean to come off that way in my first post. But I do feel that the actual structure of The Deer Hunter is a big, crippling flaw. I suppose it was a mistake on my part to start off with The Deer Hunter because it's a movie I personally don't like, even as I concede that it's a great film (and that's why I was very clear about personalizing the post). And that kind of goes against my intentions with this thread.

You're right. It would have made more sense to, for example, cite Die Hard and complain about that van coming out of nowhere at the end.

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I get what you are trying to do with this thread Erix and it's actually a good idea (screw the haters). This is not about showing we have no taste but rather taking off the Rose tinted glasses and critically examining our favorite films.
Exactly. It's "Let's give our favorite films some tough love." Not "Let's hate on widely revered films just to be pricks."

And as for your JP complaint, you're right. But that's just David Koepp being David Koepp.

I'm more in agreement that the movie needs a more involved climax for the heroes. Instead of: They run away while two dinos kick the shit out of each other. Jaws had Roy Scheider facing off the shark. This needed something like that.

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Superman

"Can You read My Mind?" stops it dead halfway through.
I think this is in retrospect though. I believe it may have worked back then. And it speaks to the date movie aspect of the piece.

I think we can all agree that the huge problem with Superman (which is still the best superhero movie ever made) is that gaping plot hole at the end. You know the one... The big gaping plot hole that Lois gets pulled out of and we're left scratching our heads as the credits roll. You almost interpret Reeve's final wink as: Fuck it, no one's going to care. See you next year assholes.

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To be fair to (James Caan), he may just have been giving the performance Coppola wanted from him — the hot-head without a lot of depth.
Yes, I think so too. Remember how he was someone the studios wanted for Michael? A more handsome, movie star type? In that sense, he's perfectly cast as Sonny. Sonny is a hollow beefcake. The stud, if you will. And I think Coppola told Caan to be a movie star and play the part that way. Although I see where you're coming from, I think Caan was perfect. The actor seems to be emulating because the character is posing... He wants to be Jimmy Cagney.

....

I agree with Sam Strange. The jokes here have been sensational. But thanks to all of you who took it seriously.
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post #42 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:42pm
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I don't have too much of a problem with that, since we've seen Lex be a scared scream machine for the whole film, but finally back in her element, she kicks in and saves the day. And Jackson hadn't actually gotten to the point of rebooting; he was still trying to get through the code on the live system. It's a stretch, but not a killer one.
I agree. During that point of the film I'm sure Jackson could have done what she did, all he needed to do was reboot the system first. Since he got all ate up by them Raptors only Lex was around with any sort of computer experience. So it never bothered me.

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And goddamn pelicans is not the final image you give us in a dinosaur movie. Splice the final scene from Lost World onto the end of JP, with the helicopter flying away in the background, and I'd think ten times more highly of JP than I do.
I'm ok with that scene. Given how they explain that the Dinosaurs have more in relation with birds then anything else, having the last scene be that of a few pelicans was a good send off.

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I never really had a problem with the ending but I can see your point. Athough you have to admit the shot of the T-Rex with the banner floating down around him is pretty iconic.
It's also a hell of a lot better then what was going to be originally shot.
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post #43 of 60
9/1/10 at 1:46pm
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It's also a hell of a lot better then what was going to be originally shot.
Which was?
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post #44 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:04pm
"Back to the Future." Movie starts out with this kid who wants to play in a band and go camping with his girl. Then the dude goes back in time. The hell? Time travel ain't real. Takes me out of the movie every time. And he never even gets to go camping.
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post #45 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by Ken Savage View Post
I get what you are trying to do with this thread Erix and it's actually a good idea (screw the haters). This is not about showing we have no taste but rather taking off the Rose tinted glasses and critically examining our favorite films.

With that in mind;

There is one scene in Jurassic Park that stops it being perfect (although it still sits nicely in my top 10 movie list). A pre teenage girl being an expert hacker and good enough to reboot a system that someone who had been working alongside its creator could not do earlier in the film. It would have been better if she was older or if Samuel L Jackson's character was not dead (my mortally wounded) and had to help her.

The scene just smacks of giving her a hero moment.
If Sam Jackson came screaming in trying to hack the security system with just one arm that would have made JURASSIC PARK the greatest movie of all time.
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post #46 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:23pm
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Right after Dooku incapacitates Obi-Wan during the climactic duel at the end of Attack of the Clones, Anakin begins his attack using the classic Shii-Cho form. When the camera cuts to Dooku and then back to Anakin, we see that his palms are now facing downward. This is clearly the Juyo form.
My favorite so far.
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post #47 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:46pm
I'm just not sure what's the point in a thread like this, Erix. I mean, sure it's an interesting mental exercise but it seems to lead to pedantic craziness (Please note, I'm not saying your example is pedantic, it's just, well, something wicked this way comes, y'know).

I think we're all aware that even the greatest movie has it's flaws but does pointing them out lead to something or does it just show that we can be pretentious gits?
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post #48 of 60
9/1/10 at 2:54pm
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I hate that Lisa Bonet was cast in "High Fidelity". I wish I could go back George Lucas style and edit/replace her. I hate the way she sang and she was not attractive enough to convincingly be a babe Cusack and his friends drool over. Without her, I would consider "High Fidelity" an absolutely perfect movie. There is not a single moment when it steps wrong, except when she's on screen.
I can think of a single other moment. When Jack Black says that Evil Dead 2's soundtrack "kicks fucking ass". Takes you right out of the movie.
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post #49 of 60
9/1/10 at 3:19pm
You're just mad because in the book he talks about "Reservoir Dogs" and the movie changed that to "Evil Dead II" just to be cool.
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post #50 of 60
9/1/10 at 4:03pm
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I think we're all aware that even the greatest movie has it's flaws but does pointing them out lead to something or does it just show that we can be pretentious gits?
I would hope it leads to some engaging discussion. Or just pointing out things that may not have occurred to anyone. Like Martin Blank with Sonny Corleone. A notion that, while still not entirely convincing me, is still interesting.

On the other end of the spectrum, you have the funnymen and their welcome contributions.

Everybody wins.

....

I find myself thinking of an alternate universe in which Back To The Future is a quiet coming-of-age film about a young man and his girlfriend going camping... And, during this trip, they contemplate their future. And wonder if they can ever go back.
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