Supernatural Season 6

This season will have to work extra hard to justify its existence but here's hoping they pull it off. Tinker Bell?Ha.

Good the Crowley thing bothered me last season. He saw something in the warehouse and the thing with Bobby's deal was up in the air.

Mitch Pileggi is their grandfather right? So that means more time travel doesn't it? Come on guys can we knock that off, your really creating some major plot holes with that shit. My favorite one is that apparently Marry was a hunter, made a deal to save John's life that involved the demon returning at some point. However then YEARS go by and she never thinks to tell John "hey im a hunter and well at some point an evil powerful demon is going to show up and ruin our lives". Not only that but in all that time she doesn't protect the house or try to figure outa way to kill the demon and be ready for it. Nope Mary who loves her husband and children deeply just lives out those years just assuming the demon would never return. I generally enjoy the writing but seriously come on guys. Fuck im already complaining.....I really do like the show I swear!

To be fair, it doesn't have to involve time travel. Some demon or angel or shape shifter or something could appear to the boys as their grandfather. Hell, maybe Cas--in his guise as the new sheriff of heaven--sends their grandfather to them with a message. Whatever, end fan wank speculation.

As for Mary, I would imagine Azazel made the same bargain with her that the crossroads demon made with Dean: No backing out and no trying to twist the deal, or the deal's off. If you'll recall, Dean had no interest whatsoever in breaking the deal. It was Sam and Bobby that convinced him otherwise. Maybe Mary did the same as Dean, but without any to convince her otherwise.

Also, animated project?!?!? Oh, crap. I'm going to find myself watching anime, aren't I? *sigh*

Also, Sandman television series?!?!? I think I just went a little weak in the knees.

Just bought Season 3* and 4 on Blu-Ray, getting Season 5 next month, so I’ve been doing a mini-rewatch these last few weeks. Whilst I think the end of Season 5 should have been the end of the series I’m excited as all hell about the show coming back. I’m hoping that it might be a bit more breezy this year, more of a victory lap, monster of the week style show, than another big arc heavy season.

Kind of interested in what AC/DC song they’re going to set this years opening montage to. I doubt they’ll top the sheer awesome of Season 5’s Thunderstruck.

*On a side note, despite the budget this show looks amazing on Blu. Also Ben Edlund, in interviews at least, is the oddest guy ever.

No he just said that when he comes don't fuck with him which she clearly broke and thats why he killed her. Now that you mention it that does break the deal and Azazel could have killed John which actaully would have saved him alot of time and his won death. However the angels needed John and Mary tro be together so wouldn't they have brought him back? That always irked me too that a cupid angel was responsible for John and Mary getting together. Kinda hurts that free will thing a bit. So in conclusion please stop retconning and time traveling Supernatural, your better than that.

......I'm conflicted.

On one hand, I really didn't like a lot of season 5. I never even saw the season finale because it sounded so stupid and disappointing, given what folks have said about it. I don't like everyone coming back, and I have some issues with the retconning. All that bloodline business was angsty bullshit wankery.

(Mary being a hunter never bothered me. She wanted out of the life, and as soon as the deal happened and all that business, I'm sure she forced it out of her mind)

But I sort of adore Jensen Ackles. And I do enjoy the show the best when it's "hunting monsters, saving people." But damnit, if they keep at this mytharc...

What I'm saying is that Bobby and Castiel should be dead. Dead dead dead.

I don't know what I'm going to do. Internet, help me!

Was it ever confirmed if they would have stayed dead had the fifth season been their last?

Could have sworn I heard that Pileggi was going to play modern gramps, somehow he survived or something.

Well, they brought Bobby back in the finale, didn't they?

I'm looking forward to this. I think they got very close to the next best thing as the new showrunner, and even though I would've liked Edlund to do it, that would never happen.

Didn't know about this animated series thing, anyone have any more news about that?

And Castiel. Did anybody in the main cast really die in the finale?

Ah, thanks for the heads-up. Should have realized with all the other shows wrapping up currently.

Is that the Gaiman Sandman yeah? Best thing for it. The movie idea was never going to work as the one-shot it inevitably would have been. It's actually not that hard to see how Supernatural's aesthetic could be transferred over to that universe. TV wins again.

So you could force the fact that a demon is going to pay you a visit out of your mind? Im sorry I can't stop with this plothole.

Selfinduced repression, no.

But come on. She wanted a normal family, she got that with John. Do you think she wanted to bring *any* baggage of being a hunter into a 'normal' family? She ignored it, she packed up her old life and went ahead with a different one. It's not that hard a concept to grasp.

As to why she wasn't prepared at That! Exact! Moment! Maybe she was. Maybe time seemed to fly and she didn't realize that it was that! day! Maybe she forgot. Maybe, as the scene indicated, she thought John was at the crib, and when she realized it wasn't her husband, in that brief second panicked and thought it was another person who had invaded her home, forgetting again for that brief moment she was supposed to stay away because she was in a blind panic for her baby. Just maybe she thought it was Dean that the whole deal was going to happen.

Maybe, with all the issues Season 5 had, that was the least of the 'plotholes' you need to be concerned with.

/grumbles and tries to cover her fangirl

Didn't Gramps get gutted or something? I'm pretty sure he was definitively dead. Not to mention, wasn't it established in Season 3 that every last one of Mary's relatives and friends had all been taken out?

I love this show, and I've spent the last year watching and rewatching every episode from Season 1 to the Season 5 finale (which was DREADFUL! Don't promise us an apocalypse that you can't afford to have play out showrunners!), but I'm still trying to get a firm grasp on how Sam went from being chosen to be the leader of the demon army, to being destined to be Lucifer's meat suit.

Does that mean that any one of the "speshul kids" could have been Lucifer's vessel? Does this mean that they were all descended from Cain and Abel? Sweet Jesus. Help.

Gramps was gutted. When YellowEyes (Azazael?) possessed him, he gutted Gramps' body so he was sure to die. It was when he was talking to Dean, right before he killed Grandma. So he was dead. Dead dead dead.

And see! I'm not the only one with this issue!

God, I am a fangirl.

We can hold hands and be all breathless and fangirly together.

I knew that Gramps was dead-dead, not just maybe dead. And let's be honest, there were no relatives left to sell their souls to get him back, since Grams was dead-dead too.
They better make this believable.

Actually yeah kinda hard to believe. I imagine this would be the only thing she could think about seeing how this could easily tear her family apart and ya know did. Maybe some saly around the house? Maybe tell John and have some kind of plan worked out? See the living a normal life and forgetting the past can't work when you know for 100% fact that this thing is going to return and want something. They could have easily just set it up where she fought Azazel and he got away. Him showing up and claiming her child could be some kind of revenge she didn't see coming. And yeah believe me I know there are other big plot holes. They change Sam and Dean's destinies slighly every season.

As a matter of fact in the 1st or 2nd season Azazel tries to take a first born kid and at the end of the second season Azazel tells Sam about other generations but tells Sam not to worry about it when questioned. I am curious what their original idea was for all of that.

Also if you watch the 4th season it's said by Uriel that their is a rogue group of angels that want Lucifer to return and lead another charge against god. Later it's revealed that those angels don't actually love "their beloved brother" Lucifer but hate him and only want to bring him back to kill him. Also it gets changed from some rogue angels to pretty much ALL angels and god is missing.

Not to mention we find out that they can't die. Whoa so all of those deals with demons and the faith healer ep were all for nothing? Not to mention it takes just a little tension away knowing they can never ever die. One good thing about this season is that Sam and Dean no longer have a purpose so technically they COULD die. But I think we can both agree that as much as we love Bobby and Castiel they really should have died so there was some actually loss and consequences to the finale.

To be fair in regards to Mary forgetting, in the fifth season they show the angel wiping her mind of the knowledge Sam/Dean give her of what happens to her in the future. I'll enjoy this season for what it is though, monster hunting and more Castiel, you can't go wrong with more Castiel.

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Also if you watch the 4th season it's said by Uriel that their is a rogue group of angels that want Lucifer to return and lead another charge against god. Later it's revealed that those angels don't actually love "their beloved brother" Lucifer but hate him and only want to bring him back to kill him. Also it gets changed from some rogue angels to pretty much ALL angels and god is missing. QUOTE]


I don't think the Uriel group that wants Lucifer to destroy humanity is the same as the Zach group who wants to kill him although it's never explicitly stated. They did drop the ball in that regard. They could have had a full on angel civil war.

So, DeanGirl or SamGirl?

Guys want to date Dean girls. No pressure.

Deangirl all the way. Sam has yet to redeem himself from the painful Ruby (part two) era.

And rewatching the first season on TNT, he was so whiny and bitchy and dismissive of Dean. I think seasons 2/3 were his peak years.

Oh Cocoa, you complete me. Is this where we braid eachother's hair while listening to classic rock music?

The Ruby Part Two era Sam pissed me off so much. He's was always bitching about how Dean and Bobby don't trust him, how they have no faith in him, how they think there's something wrong with him...Especially in the latter seasons 4/5. Well, no shit, sherlock. Schtupping a demon and vamping it up with "demon blood" (By the way? Worst retcon ever! Suddenly it's a placebo. Then it's required for Lucifer to maintain his vessel and needed for Sam to beat Lucifer? Fuck that) are actions that pale beyond the norm.
It's like Sam was Gary Stu rather than an actual character sometimes.

So special in fact, he's back from the dead. I bet that there's going ot be guilting of Dean by Sam that he left them there and didn't try to find a way out it for him.

Are you sure you gals aren't Sam/Dean girls?

Gah, I hope Sam doesn't try to guilt Dean. Didn't Sam tell Dean to just let things be and try to live a good life?

Dude, they're brothers. Take your Wincest out of this thread.

Am I the only one that wants to see the reversal of the first season, with Sam coming to get Dean, Dean telling him no, then something horrid happening to Dean's ladyfriend? Then the kid could stay with Bobby and get into trouble sometimes while Dean evolves in a Papa Winchester type figure?

That's been mentioned on two specific occasions by two other posters in the season 5 thread, so no. You're not the only one.

I hope it isn't that on the nose. If it's a retread of the first season only with the boys in opposite roles, it's pointless.

I find that there'd be interesting drama if his ladyfriend gets introduced to the world, and Dean has to carry that with him while also trying to figure out to manage his life. They could always kill her off in the season finale.

It's interesting that they're bringing Mitch Pileggi back -- not just from the dead, but -- if I'm reading these news stories right -- as a kind of mentor for "missing year" Sam and (presumably) "One Year Later" Dean. Although I like Deputy Director Skinner, it would actually be nice if Sam and Dean didn't have to rely on father figures (Bobby excluded) anymore.

I really hope they don't kill off Dean's yoga instructor girlfriend (and/or adopted son). I'm fairly certain that the opening scene will mirror events of the pilot episode, but to kill her off would be a pretty cheap move both in terms of plot convenience and undermining the whole storyline they were developing with Lisa over the last few seasons.

Some other hopes for Season Six....

When are they going to San Jose to the Winchester Mansion? They need to reclaim their birthright and discover a magical Winchester rifle.

It would also be also cool if they went to SF's Chinatown and fought a Chinese ghost/demon. It'd be another nice break from Christian mythology. Also, it's a great opportunity to cast a hot Asian actress and make fun of Dean's Asian porn fetish.

...except I don't think that they DID develop Lisa. At all. We were told in season one that Cassie from the Racist Truck episode was Dean's One! True! Love!, and the one that got away. This chick was a one night stand.

I really don't see how they can possibly bring Dean back into the hunting fold when he's a family man now, with responsibilities, and something that will always keep him from giving the job his all, because now he has something to lose. I don't like kids on my primetime tv, but I don't want to see Ben or Lisa meeting some gruesome end. However, Dean rushing back to them every other episode because they're being held hostage by some fucking demon, and then the angst that's sure to follow (THIS JOB COSTS US TOO MUCH, EVERYONE I LOVE GETS KILLED!) is just not good television.

Get rid of them, but in a completely normal way. I mean, what's more normal than realizing that you aren't really compatible with the woman you had a one night stand with 10 years ago?

Actually that would make sense. when they introduced her character it even felt like Dean was more into the idea of having a family more so than just loving her.

Also just for you we have this horrible video enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACJ-TrQ79m4

That video is sooooooooooo Supernatural.

Yeah people seem to have short memories here. Michael stops the Mother from remembering the deal she made because they need the apocalypse to happen (It also has a nice bittersweet ending where the 'angels' are looking down on the baby).

As for the finale, Kripke has said that he 'had to bring some people back' so I think that had he had his way everyone except Dean would've died, so Dean goes 'home' a broken man safe in the knowledge he helped stop the end of the world. Say what you want about the show but that's a pretty ballsy finale because no character really deserved to go the way they did in that show.

Can someone confirm the premiere date? The topic starts by saying September 10th, but my "CW" listings do not have Supernatural on that night. Nor is it on my scheduled recordings on my DVR.

I was going to be snarky and use the "Let Me Google That For You" link, but it's September 24th. Season 5 debuted on September 10, 2009.

Oh, and just so you folks don't think I've gone off the deep end, I'm thinking about doing a weekly recap of the show in here... kinda playing around with Rippoll's format in the "Tales From the Crypt" thread. If you guys hate it, just tell me to piss off.

Well no because they made it clear in whatever season that she looked at the demon standing over the baby and he turned to her she said "you!" revealing that she knew him. They revealed that and it was a mystery on the show until the first time travel episode.

The erasing the memory thing can only apply to the events of the second time travel scenario where John also knew who they were. If you expand that to erase her remembering the deal altogether thats fine but then why does she say "you!" when she sees the demon? I mean unless time has been altered and she no longer remembers the demon at all. Of course if thats true then your opening up another plot hole which is why don't the angels just go back in time and fix all kinds of things. Always found it weird that in both time travel eps Sam or Dean would always debate on whether to tell their mom about the night she dies because even though she doesn't know the night she already should know the demon is coming.

Basically they resolved how mary knew the demon mystery, realized they created a plot hole and then tried to fix it by creating another plot hole. This is why they shouldn't attempt time travel unless you have REALLY thought it out. If the writers at Lost couldn't work it out im certain the Supernatural guys can't.

I like this idea. Maybe a format similar to some of your posts in the season 5 thread, with the "lines of the week" and stuff.

Is it worth even watching the Season 5 finale?

Indeed. While you can tell instantly where it was suppose to be a series finale and they tweaked it to be just a season one, last season's finale was still good. From what I remember, a lot of complaints where over that they didn't show the apocolypse happening as if that was ever an option. It's clunky, but still worth your time.

20 second Promo for the first ep on the 24th.

http://www.cwtv.com/cw-video/superna...6-97486d06db4c

I'm both looking forward to and dreading this season. I love Dean, but I really don't want another 22 episodes of him growling in his Batman voice about needing to protect his "family" and being cursed and whatnot.

I just want them to get back to ganking otherworldly creatures with a little brotherly angst here and there.

We can probably expect lots of unsure glances at Sam from Dean as to Sam's... I dunno. Nature.

Yeah, that's the general idea, although I've got some ideas for expanding it a bit. Like I said, I'm going to give it a shot and hope for the best.

Wayward Woman, for the reasons stated in last season's thread, I really liked the season finale. I thought the low rent nature of the apocalypse (at least from what we saw) was completely in keeping with the show's blue collar mythos. In fact, I really liked that the writers completely inverted the concept: taking what is a universal cataclysm and instead narrowing our view to the relationship between the Winchesters. After all, isn't that what the show's always been about?

So, yeah, watch it.

I really enjoyed Season 5 as a hole personally but maybe that's because I never held any expectations of a seeing a big-budget version of the apocalypse on a show on the CW. I agree they made some missteps along the way but I still enjoyed Supernatural last season a lot more than I did Lost. I'm excited for this season, I hope they can get back to having some fun and not hold the show down too much in brotherly angst. Just get the boys and the Impala out on the road ganking baddies and I'm on board.