Supernatural Season 6 - Page 10

They're more toward the Judeo-Christian stuff in Supernatural. My guess is they go with Lilith instead of Echidna.

Isn't she dead?  Lilith appeared as the white-eyed demon.  I suppose they could reuse the name.

The 'biblical' Lilith isn't a mere demon. She's Adam's first wife, created as his equal and cast out of heaven prior to Eve's creation, because of her lust and insubservience. According to Jewish mystic tradition she then mated with the Archangel Samael and gave birth to all sorts of trouble.

In the Supernatural mythology, Lilith was the first demon, created by Lucifer after he was cast into hell by Michael. They borrowed some Judeo-Christian themes, but they didn't really stick too closely to the stories.

She had a two season arc and went out in a blaze of glory, the final seal in Lucifer's cage. She ain't coming back.

This new teenage menace, she's either Echidna, or some twisted version of Gaia, who also holds the title of "Mother", and in some stories, actually gave birth to Echidna, but certainly other monsters, like the Cyclops were her offsprings.

I must be growing senile in my old age. How did I forget about her?

For some reason, I was expecting Bobby to say the thing coming out of Purgatory was one Lovecraft's "Elder Gods".    Count me as one of the people not impressed with Supernatural's take on Dragons.   It's the first time the show betrayed its budget in my mind.

I agree with Cocoa.  I think "Mother" will end up being Gaia.  After facing the apocalypse and the devastation caused by Heaven and Hell, Earth is pissed off and she's not gonna take it anymore.

What ever happened to your write-ups Mattioli? I really enjoyed the one you did...

And of course, she's being played by a hot chick. 

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I agree with Cocoa.  I think "Mother" will end up being Gaia.  After facing the apocalypse and the devastation caused by Heaven and Hell, Earth is pissed off and she's not gonna take it anymore.

Would you want it any other way?

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What ever happened to your write-ups Mattioli? I really enjoyed the one you did...

Two things happened to them:

First, the show being switched to Friday night doesn't really work for me, especially during football season.  In fact, after the "Weekend at Bobby's" episode aired, I didn't see another episode until after the bowl games were over.  So, I've only just caught up.  That also explains why I haven't been in this forum for a long time.

Second, I have to find some way to edit my recaps down.  They were a little too long and took a little more of my time than I was really willing to invest.  There's a scrapped one for "The Third Man" on my hard drive, even as we speak.

I might try to give it another go now that the football season's over.
 

I'd like to see Gaia played by someone who looks like Roseanne Barr quite frankly.

At the very least, someone that looks like a hippie.

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I'd like to see Gaia played by someone who looks like Roseanne Barr quite frankly.

 

 Nope Supernatural has a rule. Only good looking people in the main cast. Even Bobby has his lady fans in certain circles.

We haven't given up on Season Six have we?

I know they want us to know that Sam did some heinous and unforgivable shit during the last year, but I think it's a bit redundant. We already know how bad Sam was, he tried to kill his own father figure and he stood by and watched his brother getting attacked by vampires with a smirk on his face.

Shooting victims of an arachne attack to put them out of their misery and fucking his way through a town seemed kind of tame in comparison.

I love how they're all of a sudden being prudes and pearl clutchers in regards to sex. Ooooh, Sam is a WHORE and he fucked every woman he came across. See how morally bankrupt he was without his soul? Sam being mortified when he realized that he fucked a married/partnered woman in a bathroom. Really showrunners?

Other than the lameness of evil Sam (I preferred to draw my own conclusions about what he was up to without Dean), the disappointing CGI effects (hell was literally burning away at Sam's flesh. I laughed.) and the utter lack of gore and violence, it was a pretty good filler episode, but I'm ready to get back to the meat of the "Mother" story.

Sam has always been the more "moral" one when it came to women.  Sure, he'll go for sex, but he isn't his brother, and I imagine that he would have an issue with having sex with a married woman while he wouldn't with someone that was single.

Not great, at all.

But it wasn't the disaster some are making it out to be.

Yeah it wasn't exactly a bad episode it was just comepletely unneeded. Sam having sex with willing women and putting men dying slow painful deaths out of their misery? Ugh that monster! Yeah we get it Sam wasn't a good guy without a soul. I imagine it was mostly so we could get to Sam's "wall" breaking at the end there. Hopefully we can deal with that quickly. But I imagine we are going to have to see his wall break down slowly.

Yeah, not a very good episode.  I guess they needed a story to show how dangerous it can be for Sam to voluntarily remember his past. 

Yes. Fuck Sam, and you die.

The lack of comments say it all.  I'm 3 episodes away from pretending this season doesn't exist and the show ended last season.

Yeah it wasn't a great ep, Nikita was better this week to be honest. However next week is the big meta episode everyone was going on about and the ep after that is jumping right into the whole mother plotline so im still in. I wouldn't call the season a waste yet.

It goes back and forth. We're only halfway through, but I would definitely say that this is the worse season so far, and while it has it's moments, it's definitely uneven.

It seems so halfhearted this season, except for the acting. The writing, the directing, and especially the editing, it's just not up to snuff with the previous seasons. I'm starting to think that promoting Sera Gamble to showrunner instead of Edlund was a colossal mistake.

I feel like we're not getting proper resolutions from storylines and it's frustrating, and severely affecting the quality of the show. I watched this week's episode twice and I still have no idea how Isobel died at the end.

It's like they have really good ideas, but cannot find a way to see them through or to end them. They had a golden opportunity to showcase what the guys would do in the case that a spirit is latched on to a physical person (in this case, the kidney), and instead of having them properly address it, they took the easy way out and had the girl die. So lame.

They unleashed the Big Bad of the season two episodes ago, and not only have they not progressed that story at all, but it didn't even rate a mention in this week's episode. I understand that they need to have filler episodes, but there was just too much going on--Sam's adventures in being barbecued, the mannequin, Lisa and Ben .... there was no focus at all.

I just don't know anymore. We get the meta episode and I'm extremely excited about it, because in the previews, it looks like Balthazar is back and that means plot development.

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I feel like we're not getting proper resolutions from storylines and it's frustrating, and severely affecting the quality of the show. I watched this week's episode twice and I still have no idea how Isobel died at the end.

 

They unleashed the Big Bad of the season two episodes ago, and not only have they not progressed that story at all, but it didn't even rate a mention in this week's episode. I understand that they need to have filler episodes, but there was just too much going on--Sam's adventures in being barbecued, the mannequin, Lisa and Ben .... there was no focus at all.

 

I just don't know anymore. We get the meta episode and I'm extremely excited about it, because in the previews, it looks like Balthazar is back and that means plot development.

Isobel died from glass from the window the car drove through. How did the glass hit her form that distance when Dean was fine? Great question!

The big bad will be addressed in the ep right after the meta ep, so 2 weeks. And your right thats too long.
 

Vis-a-Vis The Big Bad. Hasn't Supernatural kind of always kept it's main villain off on the sidelines. I mean the Yellow Eyed Demon showed up twice in the first season and four times in the second. Lilith had all of about three appearances over the two seasons she was the main villain,even Lucifer was used fairly sparingly. 

Yeah, I think the complaints are mostly based around the fact that the MOTW episodes have been pretty hit-or-miss... Miss mostly.

How the hell did blonde chick got the glass in the gut? Did I miss something?

At this point it's loyalty to the show rather than its merit that's keeping me interested.

Pretty weaksauce stuff. Dean and his girl = bleeeehhhhhhhhhhhh and the glass in the gut bit was a fucking ridiculous copout. It was on the level of the haunted car in s1. Seriously, how the fuck does a car drive through a glass and a huge shard blows BACKWARDS, past Dean, into someone behind him?

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 and especially the editing, it's just not up to snuff with the previous seasons.

Seriously, what is up with the post-production stuff this season?  The music and that awful montage in this episode were just bizarre.  And, yeah, the glass shard through the kidney was a ridiculous cheat.  In general, I'm still enjoying this season, but I hope things pick up.  Thank God we're getting Edlund next episode.

I don't think 13 episodes into the Gamble Administration is too soon to make a judgement as to the quality of what she's done with the show.   The fact of the matter is that alot of this season feels off and the quality level really seems to have dropped.    And even though the big bads of past seasons were kept off screen, they always felt integral to the plot from week to week.   For instance, even if Lucifer wasn't in every episode, he was given quite a few shoutouts.   The same with the other main bad guys.   Here, it's like Mother is just another MOW.

I think the word I'm looking for is "sloppy"   Just a really sloppy season.   I'll still watch but I'm adjusting expectations to Smallville levels.

It might not be fair to write Gamble off just yet, but we're more than halfway into the season, and I can definitely say that this season just doesn't live up to the others. It's especially unfortunate to have the most recent seasons airing on TNT, and you really notice how lazy some of the editing and writing has been lately. 

Re; the glass shard of death, I don't know what the hell they were thinking with that. Was the glass haunted? Did it leap into the sister's abdomen by the will of the ghost because she and her sister were codependent on each other? Was this some sort of weak attempt at paralleling the Sam and Dean relationship?

Not to mention that just as the car began chasing Dean (shout out to S1:Ep1), the sister was shown heading back to the car, presumably after she realized that her sister was controlling the Impala, and then, cut to the glass in her gut. I thought maybe she did it herself because she'd overheard enough of Sam and Dean's convo that the kidney would have to be destroyed in order to stop her sister.

Anyway. The point is, we have no idea, because the show wasn't clear enough about it. And then you have Dean and Sam being all mopey about not being able to save her, as if THEY got her killed.

I can't even with Ben, Lisa, and that horrific montage. I am refusing to acknowledge it even aired. Unless it is a "Now", "Then", or "Coming Soon", this show does NOT do montages. It's just not that kind of program.

I had to rewatch this episode multiple times because I kept falling asleep, finally saw the end and I had to come here for an explanation of how the sister died. LOL WUT is about the only reaction I can have to the death by glass.  CocoaSugarbaker pretty much said all I was thinking about the ridiculousness of that in the previous post.  Just a lazy end, and I was liking where they were heading with the debate about what to do about her kidney.

Another thing that's missing from this season is a sense of machismo for lack of a better word.   Yeah the show's base is female but it never felt as emo as it does this season.   There was just a blue collar working class vibe the show had before that it doesn't have now.   Probably not making alot of sense but neither is this season.

I liked the real doll reveal, but overall it was a weak episode. And then it became a standout stinker when the writers just threw their hands up in the air and said "fuck it, shard of glass to the gut?" When they cut to that quick shot of the sister walking towards the car before it crashed I was thinking "Are they really going to be this lazy?"

The answer was NO! They did something even lazier than I expected! I thought the girl was going to get hit by the car, not die from a magic six foot shard of glass.

And the Dean HOMEFRONT stuff was a bore as usual. They're just repeating the same scene over and over again.

I understand. There was a sort of real life grit and grime to the show that's no longer there. It's been replaced by wannabe "slick" CGI effects, sappy music, and fucking montages. It didn't feel like a CW show before, and now it totally does.

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I don't really agree with that, it has had more angst to it than before, I don't think it's lacking any grit. But, the CGI has always been there, I'm pretty sure this wasn't the first time sappy music has popped up on the show. I'm not trying to defend the sloppiness of the past two episodes, just saying is all.

 

Also just want to add that the season 5 finale had two montages, one which included sappy piano music.

Yeah, but first it was the end of a huge multi season plot, which makes it excusable. Second, one of them was about how the Impala stopped the Apocalypse. Come on, you can't compare that to this week's nonsense. 

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It's been replaced by wannabe "slick" CGI effects, sappy music, and fucking montages. It didn't feel like a CW show before, and now it totally does.

Funniest thing about that montage is that you realize how little screen time Ben and Lisa have gotten on the show. Seriously they took all of those moment from 2 episodes.

Been super busy, haven't watched any tv or movies in the last few months but due to illness I had time to catch up on this bad boy. I can agree with the hit or miss but I take it more as an overall vibe, the show is getting the groove back. Loved the Sam and Dean stuff and their buddy dynamic is back to season 2ish levels, which I dig. Hopefully Lisa is out of the way and they can get back to the two man band giving us the hits.

I haven't seen this mentioned yet, but how exactly did the sister's glassy death destroy the ghost?  We've been shown time and time again that the only way to destroy a ghost is to burn its remains.  This holds true from the Hook Man's hook (cross) from Season 1 to the Evil Killer Kids from Season 5.  In this episode, as far as I know, ghost lady's kidney did not spontaneously burst into flames upon the sister's death.  Thus, until Sam and Dean burned the sister, ghost lady should have been kickin' it (in a spiritual sense, of course).

I may be picking nits, but I felt like the writers of this episode had never watched an episode of Supernatural before.

You're not nitpicking. This episode was very, very sloppy. 

Yo Ben Edlund fans, not only does he write the May 6th episode, but he's also directing it. The last time he wrote/directed? Angel's magnificent "Smile Time".

Expect great things.

Allow me to toot my own horn a little, but I just wrote a blog about why I think Supernatural Season Six isn't working. Feel free to ignore, agree, or disagree.

http://www.chud.com/39258/changin-tracks-why-supernatural-season-six-ain%E2%80%99t-all-that-super/