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post #51 of 668
9/13/10 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
Yeah, that's the general idea, although I've got some ideas for expanding it a bit. Like I said, I'm going to give it a shot and hope for the best.

I'm behind you 100% on this. I would love to get a week by week discussion going for Supernatural. My wife and I recently fell head over heels in love with this program, devouring it all in a matter of weeks. I'm really looking to forward to watching it week by week.

I hope you find as much success as Jesse Custer did with the Lost discussion. Can't wait.
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post #52 of 668
9/13/10 at 12:27pm
Thanks for the opinions, folks. I don't mind the low-rent nature of the apocalypse, it was just certain developments in Season 5, and from what I heard about it, the finale, just felt like it would ultimately be a let down and a real 'jump the shark' moment. But I'll watch it. For you guys.
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post #53 of 668
9/13/10 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Waaaaaaaalt View Post
Well no because they made it clear in whatever season that she looked at the demon standing over the baby and he turned to her she said "you!" revealing that she knew him. They revealed that and it was a mystery on the show until the first time travel episode.

The erasing the memory thing can only apply to the events of the second time travel scenario where John also knew who they were. If you expand that to erase her remembering the deal altogether thats fine but then why does she say "you!" when she sees the demon? I mean unless time has been altered and she no longer remembers the demon at all. Of course if thats true then your opening up another plot hole which is why don't the angels just go back in time and fix all kinds of things. Always found it weird that in both time travel eps Sam or Dean would always debate on whether to tell their mom about the night she dies because even though she doesn't know the night she already should know the demon is coming.

Basically they resolved how mary knew the demon mystery, realized they created a plot hole and then tried to fix it by creating another plot hole. This is why they shouldn't attempt time travel unless you have REALLY thought it out. If the writers at Lost couldn't work it out im certain the Supernatural guys can't.
Well on the whole I'd say the Supernatural writers were much more in command of their mythos than the Lost writers were.

Out of curiosity what episode does the Mother recognise the YED? I just rewatched the first episode and I'm pretty sure she doesn't say it there. Or if she did I just missed it.

And yes I hope Death comes back. I love the idea that Death is this much older and grander being than God is, and that one day he'll have to reap God.
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post #54 of 668
9/13/10 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by Steve Moonrocket View Post
I really enjoyed Season 5 as a hole personally but maybe that's because I never held any expectations of a seeing a big-budget version of the apocalypse on a show on the CW. I agree they made some missteps along the way but I still enjoyed Supernatural last season a lot more than I did Lost. I'm excited for this season, I hope they can get back to having some fun and not hold the show down too much in brotherly angst. Just get the boys and the Impala out on the road ganking baddies and I'm on board.
Yeah they said from the start that the start that the big battle can't happen and honestly I think that was always about budget more than anything else. The size of the finale is fine by me I was just pissed about the one with all the gods. That is an episode that really needed a budget. I mean all the other gods attacking Lucifer? How fucking cool but it ended up as a slap fight in a hallway that you mostly didn't see. Does that mean all the other religions are gone now except christianity?

Also here is hoping for a part demon Sam who has powers that he can ya know USE. No more of that demon blood bullshit.
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post #55 of 668
9/13/10 at 1:02pm
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Originally Posted by James View Post
Well on the whole I'd say the Supernatural writers were much more in command of their mythos than the Lost writers were.

Out of curiosity what episode does the Mother recognise the YED? I just rewatched the first episode and I'm pretty sure she doesn't say it there. Or if she did I just missed it.

And yes I hope Death comes back. I love the idea that Death is this much older and grander being than God is, and that one day he'll have to reap God.
Ya know im not sure but I think it's toward the end of the second season. The demon touches Sam and shows him everything that happened. This is where the whole demon blood thing is introduced. Up until then we weren't sure exactly what the demon was doing at thse kids houses. After he drops the blood in Mary runs in and says "you!" and then poof flaming mom. That reamins a mystery that I thought they just forgot about but then they show it in first time travel ep. Hmm now that I think about it, it's kind of weird they would even send them back in time to discover Azazel's plan. I mean the angels knew Sam was the host of Lucifer and wanted it to happen.

And yeah I agree with you on Death.
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post #56 of 668
9/13/10 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by James View Post

And yes I hope Death comes back. I love the idea that Death is this much older and grander being than God is, and that one day he'll have to reap God.
That was one of the best throwaway moments from last season. I'd love for them to have God somehow say Death is basically full of shit. Hell, maybe the reason the creatures start to act out of pattern next season is because God is actually dying and fucking the rules of the universe up.
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post #57 of 668
9/14/10 at 10:04am
Count me in as interested in a weekly write-up of the show, Mattioli. It will be a nice, refreshing addition. Plus, maybe we can finally wash the bad taste of Domingo out.
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post #58 of 668
9/14/10 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by Tim Long
I like this idea. Maybe a format similar to some of your posts in the season 5 thread, with the "lines of the week" and stuff.
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Originally Posted by Mike's Pants View Post
I'm behind you 100% on this. I would love to get a week by week discussion going for Supernatural. My wife and I recently fell head over heels in love with this program, devouring it all in a matter of weeks. I'm really looking to forward to watching it week by week.

I hope you find as much success as Jesse Custer did with the Lost discussion. Can't wait.
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Count me in as interested in a weekly write-up of the show, Mattioli. It will be a nice, refreshing addition. Plus, maybe we can finally wash the bad taste of Domingo out.
Thanks for the interest, guys. I have a definite format in mind, although I can't aspire to anything as brilliant as Custer put together with his Lost Rewatch. In keeping with the nature of the show, as well as the new feel of CHUD, this is going to be relatively light. My hopes are that it will enhance our enjoyment of the show and maybe, just maybe, give you guys a few laughs along the way. Additionally, because the show is now going to run on Friday nights and, frankly, it's football season, I'm going to do my best to have the recap up by Monday or, at the latest, Tuesday.

Oh, and don't you worry, Don, Domingo will perhaps (indirectly) have his place in the recap.
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post #59 of 668
9/14/10 at 10:56am
Really looking forward to it Mattioli.
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post #60 of 668
9/15/10 at 1:35pm
New trailer



http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/09/...son-6-trailer/

Decent little teaser although the whole "Sam's not the same routine" better not last too long.
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post #61 of 668
9/15/10 at 4:48pm
Oh god.

Well. As long as he's not fucking demons.
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post #62 of 668
9/15/10 at 5:41pm
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Originally Posted by bigbrother View Post
New trailer



http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/09/...son-6-trailer/

Decent little teaser although the whole "Sam's not the same routine" better not last too long.
Nice but uhhh some spoilers in there kinda.
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post #63 of 668
9/15/10 at 5:48pm
I've only caught a few random episodes of this during daytime repeats, and I've really liked what I've seen. But I'm not sure I want to invest the time involved to go back and watch each and every season. Could I start with like the 3rd or 4th season and get a good feel for what the show and the mythology is all about? Or would I just be lost?
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post #64 of 668
9/15/10 at 5:56pm
Singer, aging mind aside, you should be able to pick it up pretty quickly. The mythology isn't so dense that you'll be lost if you pick it up a season or so in. That being said, I highly recommend jumping in at Season 1. They're mostly stand alones, but they're also tons of fun. If all else fails, pick it up with Season 2 because that's when they start ramping up the mythologies of the show.
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post #65 of 668
9/15/10 at 6:03pm
Thanks. Looking forward to your write-ups, too.
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post #66 of 668
9/16/10 at 7:47am
I think we had this discussion on the last thread, but if you want to skip most of Season 1 you can. If you just want mythology stuff then start with the Pilot and then skip to around about episode 17, from there it's the mythology all the way.

Season 1 is ok (Racist truck aside) but Season 2 really starts to click.
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post #67 of 668
9/16/10 at 8:47am
I would recommend just starting from the beginning as well. You don't really need to watch the whole first season but it's worth it. It's a lot of time I know but the episodes really fly compared to other shows. A couple of them are clunkers but on the whole its a good time. I would definitely say to start from the beginning of season 2 regardless.
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post #68 of 668
9/16/10 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by James View Post
I think we had this discussion on the last thread, but if you want to skip most of Season 1 you can. If you just want mythology stuff then start with the Pilot and then skip to around about episode 17, from there it's the mythology all the way.

Season 1 is ok (Racist truck aside) but Season 2 really starts to click.
What I never got was that Season 1 has a whole heap of kinda dull episodes, but it's always the racist truck episodes which gets picked on. Surely the tedium of Bugs is just as worse as the stupidity of Racist Truck.

If you are doing Season 1 then the only episodes you need to see are the Pilot, Scarecrow and the last five episodes. Season 2 fleshes out the world, but Season 3 (to me at least) feels like a soft reset. You could start there with very few problems and join Supernatural at it's peak.
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post #69 of 668
9/16/10 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall View Post
What I never got was that Season 1 has a whole heap of kinda dull episodes, but it's always the racist truck episodes which gets picked on. Surely the tedium of Bugs is just as worse as the stupidity of Racist Truck.

If you are doing Season 1 then the only episodes you need to see are the Pilot, Scarecrow and the last five episodes. Season 2 fleshes out the world, but Season 3 (to me at least) feels like a soft reset. You could start there with very few problems and join Supernatural at it's peak.
Yeah I pretty much agree. Also to me season 3 is where it got really good. The first season is watchable with a few stand out episodes. Season2 they are erally getting their shit together but season 3 is where it really goes into over drive. However I did start from the first season and im not sorry I did. I mean even a so-so episode of Supernatural is better than alot of shit out there.
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post #70 of 668
9/16/10 at 10:53am
I'm not really a fan of skipping episodes/seasons. You miss a lot of the nuances. And you really appreciate the awesome moments more when you've seen how the show evolves from good to great.

Don't skip. That's the easy way out.
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post #71 of 668
9/18/10 at 3:14am
If I had to pick a favorite for the mosnter of the week season 1 episodes, it would be Wendigo.
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post #72 of 668
9/24/10 at 3:59pm
In anticipation of the season premiere (which I probably won't watch until 2 or 3 tonight), I am cranking my Supernatural soundtrack. Office mates, be forewarned.
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post #73 of 668
9/24/10 at 4:12pm
Cannot wait. This is going to be awesome.

My one hope, there's not too much more in-fighting between Sammy and Dean. Not too much of this "we're different so fuck you I'm doing my own thing". I love character development as much as the next guy, but I want them to be the brotherly version of Mulder and Scully. They have different motivations, tactics and opinions, but in the end they get shit done together.
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post #74 of 668
9/24/10 at 5:05pm
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Originally Posted by Mattioli View Post
In anticipation of the season premiere (which I probably won't watch until 2 or 3 tonight), I am cranking my Supernatural soundtrack. Office mates, be forewarned.
You think thats bad? The CW isn't broadcast in HD in my area. I get all the other "antenna" channels in HD, standard def CW and of course basic cable in HD and I pay a fortune. Yet for whatever reason(probably an affiliate thing) they don't broadcast it. So then I have to find other means.
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post #75 of 668
9/24/10 at 5:49pm
I'd recommend starting with season 1 as well and just plowing through them in the original order. IMHO, season 1 is a little difficult to get through if you get bored with the Monster of the Week style easily (as I do) ... but there's enough mythology and character development in that first season that it will make Seasons 3 - 5 that much more enjoyable.

About half-way into season 2 is when this show really found its stride. I'd put seasons 3 and 4 at the top of my list of great genre TV.

I'm kinda nervous about season 6. I'm still pretty miffed that Edlund didn't get to take over.. and if Sera screws the pooch this season, it ruins season 5 as well. We got screwed out of the original ending planned for this series, and if we lost that great end just for a sub-par shadow of its former greatness... ugh
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post #76 of 668
9/24/10 at 8:08pm
I've been watching the marathon on TNT all day, and I'm so pumped for the premiere. I don't think I've ever watched a single episode live before. But in all likelihood, this will be the last season, so I kind of want to watch the show properly this year.
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post #77 of 668
9/24/10 at 10:51pm
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Originally Posted by Wayward_Woman View Post
Thanks for the opinions, folks. I don't mind the low-rent nature of the apocalypse, it was just certain developments in Season 5, and from what I heard about it, the finale, just felt like it would ultimately be a let down and a real 'jump the shark' moment. But I'll watch it. For you guys.
I'd say that there are a lot of great ideas in season 5. But for whatever reason (budget, poor planning) the ideas came off a bit clumsy or half-baked. And as was said earlier in this thread, some pretty great gut punches. Then again, I was a big fan of the time travel episode where we see the foundations laid for what eventually happens with the Winchesters and the yellow-eyed demon.
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post #78 of 668
9/24/10 at 11:10pm
Thread Starter 
I liked the premiere. Some interesting things set up, but they really need to nail the pay off for this season.
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post #79 of 668
9/25/10 at 12:10am
That was... uneventful. Weird, confusing. And clunky.

It wasn't a good season opener. At all. Specially taking into consideration where things left off last season.

So now the Winchesters were not that important, but The Campbell's are?


Also, Speed Racer is Dean's kid!

"Not the best time for Golf" was the line of the night.
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post #80 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:06am
So, that dude's been buying Dean beer for a year? Is he coming onto Dean?

Weren't the Campbells always the important, or I suppose significant, ones? John married into the family of hunters, remember.
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post #81 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:11am
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So now the Winchesters were not that important, but The Campbell's are?
Where are you getting this from?
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post #82 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:15am
I was thinking the same thing neoolong, the Winchesters are just a subset of the Campbells.

I liked the first episode enough, but I was worried most of the way through that is was the genies. Like all the way through the end of the episode. This year better not be some Dallas bullshit.
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post #83 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:26am
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Where are you getting this from?
I think it's because Sam hooked up with a few Campbells, and the Mayflower bit. Yay, Corin Nemec and David Paetkau.

I know that they're a little untrusting of strangers, but this was a chance for them to add some diversity to the cast. I know they had Steven Williams and that black couple, but it would have been nice to see that they come from all over the place.
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post #84 of 668
9/25/10 at 2:11am
I dug it.

It wasn't perfect, but it was perfectly acceptable, a solid B (Of course, a quick check around the internet has the fangirls seething with rage, but, fuck them...). That being said, with the exception of season 4 and the last 5 minutes of season 2, I don't think they've ever had a great season premiere...
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post #85 of 668
9/25/10 at 3:34am
Reflecting on it, one thing I liked is that they had Sam be back for quite a while. It would have been boring if we had to go through a whole spiel about not trusting that Sam is really back, or if it's really him.

Grandpa Campbell, Bobby, etc. all know that it's Sam, and so it makes Dean's acceptance quicker. We can move forward with the plot.
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post #86 of 668
9/25/10 at 3:41am
No ACDC intro. The Campbells. The fact that the episode wasn't firing on all cylinders like most of the season 5 episodes were. These are the things I didn't like.
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post #87 of 668
9/25/10 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
So, that dude's been buying Dean beer for a year? Is he coming onto Dean?

Weren't the Campbells always the important, or I suppose significant, ones? John married into the family of hunters, remember.
Michael was able to inhabit John Winchester's body in the flashback last season, he wasn't a Campbell. I took it more like the breeding of two purebreeds to create Sam and Dean.

I was disappointed in the first episode back. Somewhere around the time they hooked up with Bobby my mind started to wander into .. man, it should have ended last season.

I'd rate this at about 2 out of 5 stars, I'm almost not interested in watching next weeks episode. I'm sure it will be more of Dean moping around trying to figure out if he should be a hunter and Sam coming to him and saying "we need your help".
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post #88 of 668
9/25/10 at 11:16am
Good stuff. But not great stuff. It was strangely low key. The drugged up sequence at the end was brilliantly done.

Did anyone notice the lack of incidental music? Probably isn't new for Supernatural. Or maybe I'm just used to other shows overdoing it. But there were long stretches with no music whatsoever, which was kinda weird. I'm probably just remembering the show wrong and they've always done it like that.
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post #89 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:17pm
If this is what Gamble is bringing to the table, color me unimpressed. I'll stay on board throughout this season (unless it gets "Heroes" bad), but if last night was what we can expect under the Gamble administration, I doubt I'd be checking out a seventh season (should it be greenlit)

Broken record, I know.. but I STILL think it was a world-class dick move to pass Edlund over as showrunner.
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post #90 of 668
9/25/10 at 1:31pm
I think it's a bit harsh blaming Gamble. This stuff was all broken while Kripke was still around, and I'm sure he's still keeping a close eye on things.

As for Edlund, while I love the guy, Gamble has been around since day 1. Edlund only joined during season 2.
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post #91 of 668
9/25/10 at 2:33pm
Also, whilst I love Edlund's episodes every interview I've seen with the guy suggests that he's a) completely and utterly fucking nuts and b) kind of resentful of a large part of the fanbase.

I still haven't seen the newest episode, but I'd imagine a season dictated by Edlund would be kind of batshit and vicious.
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post #92 of 668
9/25/10 at 3:30pm
Edlund created THE TICK, man. Of course he's crazy! SPOON!
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post #93 of 668
9/25/10 at 4:28pm
Just saw it and yeah I found myself kinda bored honestly. Maybe it's because I find the Supernaturals version of Djinn really shitty. I like the all powerful god like Stan Winston version. These guys are tatooed assholes with poison finger tips. Apparently I could accomplish the same with some tatoo ink and some tabs of acid.

I gotta admit I don't love the constant bring people back to life thing. I wonder how long those characters will stick around. I wouldn't mind seeing the show branch out a bit and focus on other shit. Looks like next week we are in for another shape shifter episode. Loved the movie monster shape shifter episode but hated the bank one so I don't have any great for the shape shifter.
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post #94 of 668
9/25/10 at 5:35pm
This episode seemed weirdly off. Like it had no rhythm to it at all.
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post #95 of 668
9/25/10 at 6:17pm
Yeah, this episode was screaming "reset!" and it was a bit all over the place. Dean's motivations in particular felt very ill-defind. Granted, he could be intensely confused as to what he wants now. But it doesn't make for compelling character work, especially if everyone is asking things from him. That said, I really like the world-building the writers do so I'm curious to see where this goes, but I wan't exactly beside myself unlike S5's premiere. Which, issues with the overall season aside, was a damn good opener.
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post #96 of 668
9/25/10 at 6:20pm
Decent, but not a fantastic episode. I'm liking the whole Post-Apocalyspe, the rules have changed and there's a lot of uncertainity now compared to a couple seasons' worth of being in a chess game between the Angels and the Demons.


Spoilers ---



I'm also digging the fact that they capture the 3rd djinn and not kill her. How many other creatures of the night has Skinner been collecting since he came back?

Also, Dean's accepting of normal life but still having that total paranoia? Worked great in my opinion.

This season could really go either way, but let's bring in some old god cthulu style madness coming into the world. haha
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post #97 of 668
9/26/10 at 7:58am
I do think some people have been a bit harsh on this episode. Considering where last Season left us it's not surprising that you're going to get a change of pace. Some people expected Dean to just jump back into the life, and I like that he doesn't. It actually makes me curious for how he's going to justify leaving the family.

I honestly expected his Wife to be killed and the Kid to get snatched, and that still might happen.

The Monsters were shit, but I do wonder if they used the Djinn for a reason that isn't apparent just yet. I also liked the air of confusion around things. If what Grandpa was saying was correct then both he and Sam were released for a reason.

Something else I liked was a measure of distance to Sam's performance. Jared isn't the best actor, but he does a good subtle job of showing *something* isn't quite right with Sam (Like his speech about saving the Neighbours). It's a bit too early to write things off yet, but I'm curious to see where they're going.
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post #98 of 668
9/26/10 at 1:21pm
Something is wrong with Sam. It has been since Season 1, I'm at the point where I just don't care anymore.

Lisa and Ben didn't bug me nearly as much as I thought they would. That honor goes to the obnoxious Campbells. I can't get over that they were basically making fun of Dean for being "out of practice" and questioning his experience as a Hunter. Dean Winchester, aka Mr. Apocalypse, torturer and escapee of Hell, Killer of Azazel, naysayer to Michael, frequent time traveler, best friend to Castiel the Angel, etc.
I guess the writers want us to hate and mistrust them? Job done.

I can't even reconcile that these djinns were the offspring of that fabulous, creepy, and genuinely scary djinn of Season 4. He was one of the best monsters the show has ever had.

This episode was just really boring for me. Needs more classic rock, less new characters.
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post #99 of 668
9/26/10 at 1:41pm
The bit with Dean noticing something going wrong over at the neighbors house was great. In fact the whole suburban paranoia aspect was great. Good cover with the possum story.

This is nothing like the boiled shit that is/was Heroes.
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post #100 of 668
9/26/10 at 2:18pm
When it comes to Sam getting out I see it as God saying thanks for saving the world.
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