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post #601 of 668

Fuck me I hope Cas falls, that would be great.

 

This season is fucking redundant lets face it, after the lucifer arc was over how can the stakes get any bigger. The only way I can think to make the show as compelling as it once was is to do something deeply dark and hurtful to the Winchester boys personally. Cas going dark side would fit the bill

post #602 of 668

Decent episode, again. The plot is kind of clearer, but the soul as currency/energy talk still feels kind of silly.

But man, they need to get FOCUSED for the finale and season 7 - the 'previously on' montage just proved that they had a lot of cool ideas up in the air this season, but they executed it all really poorly....
 

Also, for season 7, they really should man up and make Cas the big bad....even the reluctant big bad if they have to. The groundwork is set, they just have to follow through (and weather the storm of fangirls...)

post #603 of 668

I just don't think Cas has it in him to be the Big Bad. The look he gave Dean, "where were you when I needed you to tell me that" (or something) was just heartbreaking. Dean is right, Cas is very childlike, naive, and doesn't understand the way of the world. Funny that his idea of heaven is in the mind of an Autistic kid, because Cas is extremely limited and emotionally stunted. 

 

But he definitely had his back against the wall. He should have gone with Dean, teamed up with Bobby, and tried to figure out a way to defeat Raphael.

But Cas making a deal with the demon, this is no different than what every single man on this show has done in the past. WTF, the BROTHERS were just working with Crowley in both seasons 5 and 6.

On this show, making deals with demons doesn't necessarily make you evil, it just makes you desperate.

 

I loved this episode. I really did, Edlund is brilliant as always. But I'm not sure how I feel about the Cas/Dean relationship taking precedence over the Sam/Dean relationship, it bothers me a bit. Sam and Dean seem very distant and more like job buddies than brothers.

 

Crowley's hell is terrifying. Just give me the chainsaws and salt water torture please.

post #604 of 668
I'm with you Coco Crowley's version of he'll looks infinitely more miserable than endless physical harm. This season hasn't been very good but I thought last nights episode was one of the best hours of television I've watched in a while. The idea of Cas being a tragic villain has a lot of potential, I hope they don't just blow it off in the finale.
post #605 of 668

Man, I wish we could remove Ben Edlund's brain and clone it in a lab somehow. His writing is just incredible. The dialogue always pops better than anyone else on staff (especially Dean and Crowley), he can play with narrative and structure with ease, and his ability to find the comedy in age old concepts that have been mined plenty before is just uncanny. The line about masochists enjoying hell was golden.

 

Brilliant episode

post #606 of 668

I don't know, am I crazy or does Castiel's plan seemed not that bad? I mean true Crowley could betray him but if he doesn't everything could work in his favor. I mean isn't that what you do during war? You side with people for the greater good and when the conflict is over you go back to being enemies with them. Haven't Sam and Dean done exactly that a couple times? They have teamed with Meg and CROWLEY in the past.

 

Lets look at all the harm Castiel has really caused. I mean yeah he pulled Sam out of hell without a soul but that was a mistake, a mistake that did lead to him getting completely out.Would it have been better to just leave him there to be tortured forever? Yes he tortured some monsters. By the way whats up with this show's stance on torture anyway? Dean was supposed to torture Alistair and the show's firm stance was that was wrong. Sam and Dean thought the torture of the monsters was wrong but didn't we just see Bobby torture a demon for information in this very episode? Some fo the things he has done has led to death but then so has some of the things the boys do. All in all it seems their biggest sin is lying to the boys about teaming with a demon. Well yeah everyone in that group has lied to each other at some point and made deals with demons so quite honestly whats their problem? If this works heaven goes back to normal and then they can concentrate on Crowley. The flip side is Raphael wins and the apocalypse gets started back up and everything is over. Seriously how were Sam and Dean suppsoed to help him with that.

 

Also speaking of Crowley, are they just leaving that thread dangling? Last season when they were searching for death Crowley popped into a building and then came out nervously saying he wasn't there. What was going on there? Or did it somehow tie in with all this and I just missed it?

post #607 of 668
Thread Starter 

Hey, so the next episode is going to have H.P. Lovecraft in it. I wonder if it is going to be a possible foreshadowing of season 7.

post #608 of 668

I got the impression that the biggest reasons they felt betrayed by Castiel were a) the lying, spying and general shady behavior, and b) the plan to open purgatory would have the negative consequence of unleashing a bunch of new monsters on earth.  I'm sure it wouldn't be worse than the apocalypse, but it's that whole "sacrifice a few to save many", "bigger picture" attitude that Dean, in particular, has always been against.

 

Anyway, I love the Dean and Castiel friendship, so this episode was pretty heartbreaking.  Sucks we have to wait two weeks for the finale. 

post #609 of 668
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I don't know, am I crazy or does Castiel's plan seemed not that bad? I mean true Crowley could betray him but if he doesn't everything could work in his favor. I mean isn't that what you do during war? You side with people for the greater good and when the conflict is over you go back to being enemies with them. Haven't Sam and Dean done exactly that a couple times? They have teamed with Meg and CROWLEY in the past.

 


 

THIS SEASON. They paired up with Meg (who killed Ellen and Jo!) and worked for Crowley this season. I nearly laughed out at the self righteous indignation of Team Free Will. Every last one of them have done exactly what they're all angry and blowhardy at Cas for doing. 

 

Now. What's this about HP Lovecraft being in the finale? WTF? Another mythical take on a historical figure ala Samuel Colt? I'm intrigued.

 

 

 

post #610 of 668

On the other hand, two hour Smallville series finale.  Yay!
 

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I got the impression that the biggest reasons they felt betrayed by Castiel were a) the lying, spying and general shady behavior, and b) the plan to open purgatory would have the negative consequence of unleashing a bunch of new monsters on earth.  I'm sure it wouldn't be worse than the apocalypse, but it's that whole "sacrifice a few to save many", "bigger picture" attitude that Dean, in particular, has always been against.

 

Anyway, I love the Dean and Castiel friendship, so this episode was pretty heartbreaking.  Sucks we have to wait two weeks for the finale. 



 

post #611 of 668
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I don't know, am I crazy or does Castiel's plan seemed not that bad? I mean true Crowley could betray him but if he doesn't everything could work in his favor. I mean isn't that what you do during war? You side with people for the greater good and when the conflict is over you go back to being enemies with them. Haven't Sam and Dean done exactly that a couple times? They have teamed with Meg and CROWLEY in the past.


No you're not crazy. On this thing I'm with Castiel 100%. For all their "specialeness" the Winchesters would be dead a hundred times over if it wasn't for him. And the times they've made deals with demons and monsters are just too numerous to count. Is Crowley planning to stab Cas in the back once purgatory is found? Surely. Should he be preparing for this and not trusting him at all? Surely. Is his plan sensible and not just another Apocalypse averting hail Mary? Most definitely.

 

Dean acting like an emo little bitch got on my nerves this episode. 

 

 

post #612 of 668

I totally understood where Cas was coming from that's what I loved so much about this episode.  I'm guessing that ultimately whatever Cas and Crowley's plan is when it comes to opening Purgatory is going to lead to something similar to the end of Season 2 when they opened up the door to hell with Cas realizing how horrible of a mistake he has made.

post #613 of 668
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I totally understood where Cas was coming from that's what I loved so much about this episode.  I'm guessing that ultimately whatever Cas and Crowley's plan is when it comes to opening Purgatory is going to lead to something similar to the end of Season 2 when they opened up the door to hell with Cas realizing how horrible of a mistake he has made.


Oh yeah it's Supernatural so something has to go wrong but the initial plan sounds about right and quite honestly not that immoral. If he could prepare properly for Crowley's betrayal maybe it could work but he is distracted by this stupid fight with the boys. Although if purgatory does open up and monster souls get out......hows that work? They are souls without bodies, can they like posses people?

post #614 of 668

We had a spirit possessing people in season 4, so I would think it's possible for the souls of monsters to take on meat suits, yes. 

post #615 of 668

I did like the Ken Lay line.

post #616 of 668

Castiel's plan is the same plan that's screwed the boys over dozens of times. Do they need to stop Raphael and avert the apocalypse? Sure. Is the best way to do that making a deal with the future devil and opening up purgatory? Probably not. But it's that whole good intentions thing...

 

 

Ben Edlund is a god.

post #617 of 668
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Castiel's plan is the same plan that's screwed the boys over dozens of times. Do they need to stop Raphael and avert the apocalypse? Sure. Is the best way to do that making a deal with the future devil and opening up purgatory? Probably not. But it's that whole good intentions thing...

 

 

Ben Edlund is a god.

Well yes.....and no. Sometimes things have worked for them. Sometimes they have prepared for a betrayal and used it. The fact is Raphael needs to be stopped and not just for Castiel but for Sam and Dean's as well. Sam and Dean are just men, thats it. They can't really help Castiel. What they are going to get together and talk it out? seriously they are going to come up with something angels can't? Remember if they lose the apoclypse gets started back up and everything is wiped out. 

 

Regardless of how the plan will shake out Sam and Dean's reaction is pretty retarded. 

post #618 of 668
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Sometimes things have worked for them.



Er...it has?  (I'm not trying to be snarky, I genuinely can't remember a time when making a deal with a demon didn't lead to one of them dying or, like, triggering the apocalypse, but maybe I'm forgetting something.)

post #619 of 668
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Er...it has?  (I'm not trying to be snarky, I genuinely can't remember a time when making a deal with a demon didn't lead to one of them dying or, like, triggering the apocalypse, but maybe I'm forgetting something.)

They teamed with Crowley to find death and beat Satan so that worked out(again they had a common goal, not selling their soul). Also they teamed with Meg to kill Crowley which would have worked out if not for Cas.

 

post #620 of 668
Thread Starter 

Well, Bobby had to sell his soul to Crowely, while no one died or anything, Bobby did almost get screwed out of his deal.

 

 

Also, a bunch of clips from the anime's English dub are online, don't really care for the Dead voice actor.

 

 

post #621 of 668

Kind of a big flaw in this season (or at least it feels like a flaw). If Raphael's goal is to bring about the apocalypse again, then why didn't that news eventually reach the brothers through other means?

post #622 of 668

Castiel will remain a series regular in Season 7 according to a CW Press Release.

post #623 of 668

Wow!

 

I don't know how anyone else feels about the finale, but that was a season saver, and then some, IMO. 

post #624 of 668
Thread Starter 

I figured there would be more deaths, but I liked that ending. Season 7 should be interesting, that is if they don't hit the reset on what they have set up in the premiere.

post #625 of 668
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 that was a season saver, and then some, IMO. 


absolutely....the episodes themselves weren't the best (man, what is the budget on this show nowadays? Both eps looked CHEAP), but from a plotting standpoint, it does a lot to make me look forward to season 7.

 

Making Cas go dark side was absolutely the best move for the show, hopefully they can sustain it next year. That being said, I would hate to be around a Supernatural fangirl right now....

post #626 of 668

I agree....both about the coolness of the episodes and, unfortunately, the lack of budget.  They did look awfully cheap.  Mind you, I was kind of hoping against hope that Cthulu or one of his ilk would make an actual appearence.  Sorta bummed that Balthazar got whacked, especially with Cas going 'black hat', liked the characters sense of debauchery.

post #627 of 668

So, we had a two part finale.

 

The first part--Let it Bleed--sucked. It was horrible, horrific, lazy, boring, and a complete and total character assassination of Dean. What the hell? He wipes the minds of Lisa and Ben so that they will never remember him or the year they spent with him--but his enemies still know they exist, and the next time they come after them, they won't know how to defend themselves, or who to call.

I just cannot believe that Dean would ever leave them so vulnerable and exposed, because I'm sure the demons will consider them off limits because they don't know of any Winchesters. Really showrunners?

And there's still the matter of the big black burly boyfriend, lying broken in their living room. 

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm thrilled as hell that Lisa and Ben didn't die, because I just could not handle another season of Dean angst. But this was almost as bad.

 

And can anyone tell me who or what killed HP Lovecraft? The Doc says she didn't do it, so who did?

post #628 of 668

I give it thumbs up.  Though it figures, with Smallville gone, something has to take up the mantle of the yearly CW cliffhanger.

post #629 of 668

I wonder when the Winchesters will realize how huge of hypocrites they are. They rail on Cass for the things he's done and then they turn around and do the same thing without blinking an eye. I think that's what really bugs me about the show. And yeah, like wiping Ben and Lisa's minds will stop demons from going after them, just stupid.

 

While Castiel was doing things wrong, who know's what would have happened if the brothers and Bobby forgave him like they do with each other every week or so. I mean Castiel was literally stabbed in the back by Sam, why the fuck should he ever listen to them again? I'm very interested about next year though, hopefully they can keep a cohesive story together for the whole season.

post #630 of 668

Man after reading the comments here I was really jazzed to watch the finale. I really want to be with you here guys but I feel like we watched different shows. The finale was pretty bad. Was Castiel becoming the new bad god really cool? Yup but honestly thats about it.

 

First they erase Ben and Lisa's memory. As said above thats fucking retarded because now they don't know him and at any moment a demon can still exploit them as Dean's weakness. I know they needed to get them out of the show somehow but fuck thats lazy. Here is an idea, don't bring them back in the first place. Seriously in the overall scheme of things they served no other purpose other than fucking Dean up from hunting and giving him something to worry about every 8 episodes or so. 

 

All in all the first episode was about getting rid of Ben and Lisa and I just don't fucking care.

 

The second episode might have been even worse. I know people like it because of the ending but seriously guys everything you care about was in the final 13 minutes. The rest was wasted dealing with Sam running around in his own mind. I can't believe we went through all the souless Sam shit and then the putting up of the wall. The wall breaks and.....thats it? We waste time(because thats what it is) with Sam wandering around in the woods talking to himself. When he FINALLY remembers hell all he does is wake up and attempt to save the day. What a horrible way to resolve things. Really it was just filler until the ending. Quite honestly the finale didn't actually need to be 2 hours. If you take all of the important things that happened regarding purgatory and Cas and put it together I think you don't even have an hour.  

 

Also just minor things that annoy me. An epic demon vs angel battle.............that we don't see. Opening of purgatory and absorbing all of the souls..............that we don't see. We finally meet some random creature that resides in purgatory..............and we never see it's true form. And yeah I know budget. I got an idea, budget for your giant finale.  

 

Evening the ending didn't sit 100% right with me. i figured we would meet a monster or 1000 but nope things actually worked out. Probably better because I don't need to see cthulu who looks like a school teacher. Also why didn't Crowley have a better plan B, hw never thought Castiel might fuck him?

 

Although that brings me to the one thing I enjoyed. Castiel becoming new evil god. The thing I enjoyed about the process was that for all Sam and Dean's bitching it actually worked out. Had they stuck by him they may have actually been able to talk him down off his power high because he would have liked and trusted them. Now his feeling is fuck you which I have tos ay I agree with to some extent. Although I must admit half of that is for the writers. I can't believe Eric Kripke wrote that.

 

If you had told me Nikita would have been better and ended stronger than Supernatural I wouldn't have believed you. But those are the facts. 

post #631 of 668

Actually, I liked all the Sam stuff.  It was a bit of a head fuck at first and I was surprised how well they fit it in with the rest of the episode.  Though, I wish we had seen less of the before and more of the after.  I mean, it looked like Sam was barely moving along and flashing back to hell every few minutes.  And stabbing Cas in the back?  I know he was super-power-mad Cas, but did that seem out of character to anyone else?  Especially with Sam saying he'd die for the guy just a couple episodes ago.  I don't know, seems like they set up some interesting things for Sam in the next season, but time will tell if they pay it off or not.

 

I admit, I got a bit teary at the Lisa and Ben stuff, I actually kinda liked them as a happy ending for Dean.  But I agree the memory loss thing really doesn't hold up to any scrutiny.  I guess it's possible Cas put them into some kinda demon witness protection as well, but if so, they should have made that explicit. 

 

I'm torn between being excited that new character they've created with Cas, and sad that fish-out-of-water comic relief Cas seems to be gone for good.  And I was sad to see Balthazar go.  

 

Not a great season, but I thought they pulled it out in the end. 

post #632 of 668

I dunno, I see the complaints, and I agree that overall the season, and the finale have been pretty weak, but I'm more than willing to write it off as mediocre and hope for the best for next year.

 

Re: Dean / Lisa / Ben - Haven't Sam and Dean ALWAYS been short-sighted about these sort of things? (Dean taking a deal with the Demon to save Sam, Sam working with Ruby and taking the Demon Blood, Sam going off on his own because he feels guilty about starting the apocalypse, plus all the episodes that show how stupid they can be in regards to loved ones). Dean thinking that erasing their memories would be the best plan of action isn't smart, but it certainly isn't *character assassination* (sidenote: reading around the internet this morning, that phrase is waaaaay overused in regards to showrunners and plots and favorite characters - just because you don't like what character ends up doing doesn't make it character assassination. Matt and Trey dealing with Chef in South Park? THAT's character assassination). In the grand scheme of things, it felt like they were just trying to figure out a way to get rid of Lisa and Ben (an admission that that plot strand didn't work), and do it cleanly. Worked for me...I seriously doubt we'll ever hear anything from them ever again, and I'm cool with that.

 

The only reason the Cas thread felt rushed or unearned is because the majority of the work was done offscreen. The big Cas episode 2 weeks ago did a lot of good to set this up, but, probably should have come earlier. I would have loved to see more angel/demon battles and monsters, but as I said before, the budget nowadays seems to be nonexistent. Next year they'll be filming on Flip Cams and using sock puppets for monster designs. What we got, worked, IMO, and like I said above I hope they can go forward with it and turn it in to something worthwhile in season 7.

 

Sam's wall coming down was pretty weak, in that the effects weren't as catastrophic as we were led to believe. But, outside of the buildup, that plot thread was pretty weak as well, and I'd rather they dealt with it and moved on in this matter than waste time on the after effects for 12 episodes in season 7. Like Lisa and Ben, it shouldn't be a major part going forward, despite the importance placed on it earlier in the year. If they wanted it to be more important, they should have devoted a whole episode to it, a few episodes ago, and not in the finale, for sure, but it wasn't the worst thing ever. It was a solid idea, with average execution. Which kind of sums up the season. I get the sense that they were kind of rudderless and the beginning, and threw a whole bunch of different ideas at the wall to see what would stick. Once they knew that the fall of Cas was going to be the big story, they needed to break off the other plot strands as quickly and as easily possible so that (HOPEFULLY) they can move forward in S7 with a clear direction and a strong finish. The whole second half of the season felt like course correction, and the finale even more so.

 

Considering how aimless they were for the first half of the season, I think the finale, despite not being that great, did a lot to make me think that the showrunners understood what didn't work and what did, and can right the ship next year.

post #633 of 668

Cas seems to have fallen from grace.He could be the new Devil

post #634 of 668

I feel like Dean was extremely selfish in the wiping of their minds. It wasn't about their safety, it was about him not being able to bear the thought that they would hate him for bringing this demon shit into their lives. Ben was no longer looking at him with adoration and love, just resentment and mild disgust.

 

I have to put the entirety of season six in the "massive failure, worst season of the series, probably won't buy this on DVD" category. There were some great standalone eps that were fun and well written, but as a whole, it was one big clusterfuck of loss potential, bad directing, horrific editing, dropped stories, and character slaughter.

 

I will say this though--the last fifteen minutes were enough to make me really happy that we will be getting a season 7, because I want this show to get it's mojo back and end on a high note. One bad season doesn't have to taint the series in it's entirety (see; Roseanne), and I'm glad that they'll have the opportunity to redeem themselves. I don't even care about the dropped stories and loose ends (Grampa, Adam, anti christ kid), just give me some good storytelling and a battle that we can actually see played out on screen. That means, stop giving the boys impossible threats that they cannot possibly win. They cannot win against God, a new Lucifer, or whatever the fuck Castiel is--so don't promise it to us.

 

One last note, Sera Gamble confirmed yesterday that Misha Collins will NOT be a series regular next season, and the crazed fringe of SPN fandom is currently in full meltdown mode as I type. I don't see this as a big deal, I expect we'll see Cas every couple of episodes the way we always do.

post #635 of 668

I'm with Cocoa. I'll go even further. The last few episodes have made me actively hate Dean. He's just the absolute shittiest person on Earth. In the end of the finale I was wholeheartedly wishing Cas would go all Old Testament on his selfish, whiny, illogical, martyric ass.

post #636 of 668

This show's so weird. They can't kill off Lisa and Ben even when it makes tons of sense to do so, but Ellen and Jo get offed so early on. Dean has gotten really annoying. Has been sorta for most of this season but now it's ridiculous. His decision to erase Lisa and Ben's memories was selfish and stupid.

 

Really uneven season but great ending. Again, I think the big huge flaw was that we never saw the civil war go badly. What has Raphael been doing this whole time that caused Cas to go so dark? Wouldn't there be some kind spillage onto the earthly realm? For instance, if Raphael's big plan was to bring about the apocalypse, then wouldn't Crowley be in grave danger this whole time? Wouldn't Raphael's minions be out looking for him on earth? It seems like the reason behind the civil war was figured out at the last minute. All we got was the occasional off-hand remark about how poorly it was going from Cas. Overall some neat ideas to this season, but they were spread out too little too late, with all the good stuff coming mostly towards the end. I'd like to say that it was mostly the budget that caused this, but not fleshing out the civil war storyline is a writing thing.

post #637 of 668
I'll agree with all the Dean comments already made. I had a confused look on my face with most of Dean's actions during the finale(s). Also, really disappointed that you bring in HP Lovecraft and instead of Old Ones and creatures from "beyond", we get "oh, they opened a hole into purgatory." Really?! COME ON!!! I don't see why they couldn't go that route, especially after Bobby's professor girlfriend said she didn't kill Lovecraft herself. Shit, they brought in fucking elves/faerie earlier this season, so why can't Cthulhu can exist as well? Also, what was up with them showing the ST:Voyager elf in the list of "monsters" in the beginning of the episode? The elves had nothing to do with Purgatory! COME ON!!!

All things considered though, I am looking forward to Cas as the Old Testament God next season. Fuck Dean and his hypocritical bullshit. I just want to see Cas walking through heaven and making Raphael's followers explode left and right.
post #638 of 668

So predictions for next season?   I'd say season 7 is when the Winchesters finally meet God.   Also, I'm betting that the kid who was supposed to be the Anti Christ will somehow be used.   It's the only logical way I could see Sam and Dean deal with Cas realistically.   Maybe SN can get some of Smallville's budget or have better writing to deliver on its ambition.   We'll see.   Good finale but not enough to salvage the very messy season.

post #639 of 668

Isn't their half brother still burning in hell with Lucifer and Michael? The Winchestors are looking more and more like horrible people. 

 

And yeah that would be a great comeback for lil anti-christ. Im betting they won't even deal with him though. Kind of insane considering he apparently can kill any demon as well as the entirety of heaven. That includes Raphael Supernatural writers. Him running around out there would seem to be a huge threat for either side. You would think one side would want to get hold of him and use him against the other but............nah. Weird thing is that on the casting sheet it said that kid's character would be a possible recurring role.

post #640 of 668

I can't believe I haven't ranted about this horrible missuse of Lovecraft yet.

 

Actual horror geeks that whatch Supernatural (like me) instead of simply Supernatural fans, have long waited and hoped for some decent Cthulhu Mythos action. And this is what we get? You could build a really, really cool season out of a Call Of Cthulhu inspired storyline alone. Instead we get a few seconds of a badly cast extra dying and a "seance gone wrong" bit. That just brought a retcon monster in, so that the show would have a chance at killing one of its few remaining women. So fucking shitty.

 

Oh and I really enjoyed how original they were with the whole "geek living in the basement" thing. I never saw that before. This season has really soured me on this show. I'll probably skip the next one and wait for a concensus to form instead. 

post #641 of 668

The show is barely a shadow of it's former self now.

 

I sort of admired that an attempt was made to bring everything together for the end but it all fell apart. My God, Sam's soul/wall was the main plot point for half the season and THAT'S what happens when it comes down. A headache?! I could have screamed.

 

This season's great failing is relegating the War in Heaven to a C plot then expecting us to care in the last four episodes. There MUST have been a way to visualise the War within the show's budget. Instead we get Cas reminding us every three episodes that he's "in the middle of a War". And there just weren't enough players in it. Cas, Raphael and Balthazar? Were are the stakes? Never has a War felt so insignificant.

 

And speaking of stakes, why leave it to until the end before revealing that Cas taking on the souls might backfire? Until then I was completely on team Cas and couldn't really nderstand why the boys were so appalled by it. Balthazar revealing it in the fricking Penultimate episode is just bonkers.

 

At the end of the finale, Mrs Pants turned to me and said "Was the show really as good as we thought?" Stelios said the season soured him on the show and I agree, it's made me forget how entertaining it used to be. As of right now Mischa Collins is the only enjoyable thing about it.

 

 

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As of right now Mischa Collins is the only enjoyable thing about it.

 

 



Just put the Winchester boys out of their misery. Cas gets enough of their shit, kills them in the first episode and proceeds to spend the next season doing god stuff and making out with hot brunette demons. Maybe have him fight an invasion of the actual Old Ones.

 

AND BRING BACK THE FUCKING ROCK!

 

When Wayward Son started playing, for a moment I reflexively felt nice. But then I realized that fuck them, they don't get to play that card now. 

 

Wow, I just realized I'm ranting. I kind of hate this show now.

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When Wayward Son started playing, for a moment I reflexively felt nice. But then I realized that fuck them, they don't get to play that card now. 

 

Wow, I just realized I'm ranting. I kind of hate this show now.



 I thought exactly the same thing, "Ahhh, everything is going to be alright!"

 

My mate made the point that that intro made the season look incredible. So many brilliant ideas, so badly executed.

 

 

I will say this though, "...looks like Columbo, talks like Rain Man." had me howling.
 

post #644 of 668

Just watched the finale yeah a lot of things that bugged people bugged the shit outta me

Dean mind wiping Ben and Lisa was stupid, do the writers think about these dumb

things before writing them?

 

Man this season has been scattershot and all over the place they just couldn't stick to

one arc, too much going on throughout the season and then doing damage limitation

at the last minute. 

 

The producers need to sort out their budget or start being more creative stop trying to go epic and then

not delivering, would be nice to see monsters in their true form not asking for state of the art CGI but

you know put some effort in it and be creative tired of monsters using humans as vessels.

 

If Doctor Who can work on a shitty budget......

 

Maybe they should of ended on season 5 or put Edlund in charge.

post #645 of 668

Regarding the shows budget, you can't really blame the showrunners if the coin isn't there.

 

My issue is that the show will constantly hint at something huge then take it away. I wasn't really expecting Dragons but I was expecting more than guys with hot hands. I wasn't really expecting a Spider monster, but I was expecting more than a bloke with extra eyes.

 

I wasn't really expecting Cthullu BUT I WAS EXPECTING MORE THAN AN INVISIBLE MONSTER WHO TURNED ABOUT TO BE KINDLY, PERFECTLY LOVELY DRAGON SWORD WOMAN...WHO DIED THE NEXT EPISODE!

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Regarding the shows budget, you can't really blame the showrunners if the coin isn't there.

Oh yes I can. You have to budget things better. Shit Angel could afford monsters. They should have been budgeting for the finale since the start of the season. I remember hearing that it was going to be mind blowing. Yeah it blew.

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Oh yes I can. You have to budget things better. Shit Angel could afford monsters. They should have been budgeting for the finale since the start of the season. I remember hearing that it was going to be mind blowing. Yeah it blew.



It basically has to due with Kripke/producers not liking how a monster in the first season, either it was the wendigo or the rawhead, came out, and that kinda turned them off of doing full on creature costumes. Though they have had some monsters with make-up on pop up here and there, like the wraith and siren episodes, there might be a few more but I can't really recall.

 

But, they really should have done a make-up job on the dragons, just give them scales for fuck sake, that's probably the simpiliest make-up job you could do with that.

 

 

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And yeah that would be a great comeback for lil anti-christ. Im betting they won't even deal with him though. Kind of insane considering he apparently can kill any demon as well as the entirety of heaven. That includes Raphael Supernatural writers. Him running around out there would seem to be a huge threat for either side. You would think one side would want to get hold of him and use him against the other but............nah. Weird thing is that on the casting sheet it said that kid's character would be a possible recurring role.

 

 

I read that they are trying figure out a way to bring the character back, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by making him too powerful, and only want to bring him back in way that doesn't just use him as a deus ex machina. So, can't really blame them for that.

 

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Oh yes I can. You have to budget things better. Shit Angel could afford monsters. They should have been budgeting for the finale since the start of the season. I remember hearing that it was going to be mind blowing. Yeah it blew.



I've always wondered. What is the show's budget in comparison to your Buffys and your Angels?

What I meant to say was, if the money literally isn't there then of course it will look cheap. If, however, there was a sizeable budget and it was frittered away on, say, Bobby's Beard, then yes. Fuck em!

 

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I've always wondered. What is the show's budget in comparison to your Buffys and your Angels?

What I meant to say was, if the money literally isn't there then of course it will look cheap. If, however, there was a sizeable budget and it was frittered away on, say, Bobby's Beard, then yes. Fuck em!

Well see it gets more complicated than that though. There is a budget and your job is to get as much as possible out of it. I know your saying "no shit" as you read this but what I mean is if your doing a big finale with portals opening and epic battles perhaps cut something out of an earlier episode. For instance, even something simple like when Sam kills his other selves and they turn into energy and go back inside him. Didn't need to see that. Im sure there are little tweaks like that. You need to budget the entire show based around your finale if you planning to go big. Honestly I had the same problem with the Heroes season 1 finale. Now admittedly that show had more money but that was supposed to end with a big fight and then nothing happened.

 

The other thing is stop writing things you can't afford. Don't even bother with dragons unless you can pull off something at least in the realm of dragons. Don't write cool fights we can't watch. Don't write huge portals opening. It's weird but most of the time I never notice their small budget. Seriously we have seen the devil's gate open and hell ana heaven. There have been a couple of bigger special effects shots. Funny that this season is where it stuck out.

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I read that they are trying figure out a way to bring the character back, but they kinda shot themselves in the foot by making him too powerful, and only want to bring him back in way that doesn't just use him as a deus ex machina. So, can't really blame them for that.

Where did you read that? And yeah I understand that but you can't have something that big out there and not address it. The worlds most powerful atomic bomb is walking around out there and it's in the hands of a child. At any time someone could grab him and use him. Again it feels very lazy. They wrote him so powerful and then sent him off with no idea of how to bring him back and even worse they make no mention of him. Between him and their half brother burning in hell it seems like the boys have selective amnesia. 
 

 

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