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post #1 of 135
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As many people know, I was no fan of The Expendables, but this movie is everything Sly's wasn't. Fun, fast, brutal, with no dead weight.

One of the most impressive things here is that Rodriguez and his co-conspirators were able to take a 2 minute trailer that's nothing but money shots and construct it into a) a movie that makes coherent sense, b) is about something more than homage/imitation, and c) that can sustain itself for pretty much the entire runtime (it loses a touch of steam near the end but it re-invigorates itself with a third act that's truly admirable in its gonzo ridiculousness).

Trejo is just fucking great in it. Never the slightest wink or nod at the audience. Full-force badassery.

Michelle Rodriguez is at her most attractive in this one, IMO. I also liked that she lightened up on the hard-ass attitude just a little. She's much more appealing when she has a nice side.

There was a time when I forgot about Jessica Alba, but she's very funny here, and she gets along with Trejo so well. I have a hard time picturing many actresses reading the script and thinking "this is the next thing I've got to do" but I like her sensibilities.

Lot of controversy over De Niro's performance. As I told Rene, it's not that he's great on the level of his great performances, but he's game. He's willing to go with the movie's flow. He showed up to have a ball rather than sour the party, and I admired that. I was also impressed at how much of there is of him in the movie; I kind of expected him to be there for five minutes and duck out, but he's around.

Seagal is more in the movie in the amount I expected De Niro to be in it. He appears mostly via "webcam" aka greenscreen, with a terrible Mexican accent. If you expect him to fight, lower your expectations massively, but there's still quality stuff here.

Lots of good references to Grindhouse as well, including a returning character or two (beyond the Crazy Babysitter Twins), but my favorite references were to two other movies. The first is a visual that I felt was an obvious nod to Escape From New York, and a part where Robert De Niro drives a taxi. I feel like I was the only one who noticed, but maybe everyone "got" it and I'm just fooling myself.

As for what it's about, Machete spreads the treatment of illegal immigrants all over itself without once becoming preachy. It comes close at one point (when one white guy speaks up to his three buddies), but defuses it with a great joke. And again, that gonzo finale...if anyone has any doubts this is firmly tongue-in-cheek, sees the last scene, and still believes Rodriguez is really suggesting Mexico start a machete war against the United States or some shit, well, they are Glenn Beck.

All in all, I think I had at least twice as much fun at this than I did at Planet Terror, and I really enjoyed Planet Terror. This feels less forced, less purposeful; it's a riff in all the places where PT was a meticulous construction. Great fun and I hope everyone else enjoys it as much as I did, with an equally loud and enthusiastic crowd.
post #2 of 135
Don Johnson was marvelous in this. I great combination of performance and deliciously evil lines, particularly his "If it had been born here, it'd be an American citizen, no different from you or me."

The cast was having a ball. Oh, and special props must be given to Savini's hitman advertisement. Such a random goofy joke.

Though if I'm not mistaken, did we not see his character's eventual fate? It was in all the trailers...
post #3 of 135
Fahey and his sparkling blue eyes fucking owned.
post #4 of 135
Over 70 on RT, with a lot of praise for Trejo's performance? Was already going, but wow.
post #5 of 135
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Though if I'm not mistaken, did we not see his character's eventual fate? It was in all the trailers...
Rodriguez said in an interview that they shot several characters' deaths but cut them out because they might want them in sequels. MORE SAVINI
post #6 of 135
Glad to see that I was right about which nod it was for De Niro when we were chatting on Facebook last night, Tyler.

I'll be seeing this later this evening with my girlfriend, and marveling at the awesomeness.
post #7 of 135
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Glad to see that I was right about which nod it was for De Niro when we were chatting on Facebook last night, Tyler.
I wasn't sure if you wanted to know in advance or not so I didn't tell you, but yes.
post #8 of 135
Like blaxploitation films of yesteryear, MACHETE is built atop a plot of indelicate political commentary that is used primarily to give the narrative some forward momentum and appeal to its target demo, but those politics are almost never engaging throughout a running time that feels waaaaaay longer than it should.

When the splatter stops, tedium takes the wheel, and tedium, thy name is Jessica Alba. As far as actors go she is the weak link in the film (the weakest link is the film's trudging, monotonous script), slowing the picture to a crawl with her dead eyes which immediately remind me of Quint's famous monologue in JAWS. It's kind of obvious that Rodriguez understands that Danny Trejo can't really carry a movie, even one in which he plays the title character, but asking an actress as light in the pants as Jessica Alba to pick up the slack does not improve the situation in the slightest.

I don't hate the film (I can't hate a film that gives a worker like Jeff Fahey a fun, high profile role), I don't even dislike it, and I'm happy that the oft ignored Latino demo get a film that gives a great big grinning bear hug to their culture (I live in Texas, and at the midnight, this fucker played HUGE with the crowd), but I really wish that Rodriguez had takes those fifteen years since this film's inception to develop a much leaner script than the one we got, in which the peaks and valleys quickly become indistinguishable. I have more specific issues with the film, but I'll bother with that later.

Edit: In the arena of lech complaints, I will say this: I fail to see the point in putting Lindsay Lohan in your film as a spoiled rich girl / junkie / amateur porn star if she's going to use a body double, which she obviously does.
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post #10 of 135
Nick, how would you stack this up against PIRANHA?

I remember seeing Fahey for the first time in SILVERADO, where he leapt offscreen in a fairly tiny role. It's too bad he hasn't enjoyed wider success.
post #11 of 135
It is a perfect double feature with Piranha.
post #12 of 135
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Nick, how would you stack this up against PIRANHA?
This question was directed at Nick, but I was really let down by Piranha. Thought it was boring and draggy, then made an admirably bloody to take off at the last minute and stumbled. Didn't feel Machete had any of the same problems; it's a class above.
post #13 of 135
Great review Nick. Once again, it's nice to be having some more reviews and content coming in from you. I know you never really went anywhere, but welcome back (?).

Between what you said and what's been said in here it sounds like this one knows exactly what it is and it's great to hear that a movie stemming from a gag trailer knew enough not to take itself too seriously and keep that sense of fun alive and bloody and kicking. Fun is VERY welcome. I've been trying to meet up with a friend for the past few weeks and get to the movies, but we've been sabotaged in one way or another, but I'm hoping that the stars align and Machete is stop 1!
post #14 of 135
Sorry if the review's disjointed. I literally had to rewrite it from scratch after a browser crash.
post #15 of 135
It's a great review, Nick. I'm seeing it tonight, but from the previews it looks like De Niro is having fun as the corrupt Senator.

Glad to hear that the great Fahey is awesome in it.
post #16 of 135
Machete is...Awesome! Danny Trejo works wonderfly with his, Co-Star (his...Machete), as he, Slashes, thrashes, and, Trashes all the...EEEEEEEEEvil Doers, that get face time with his, Blade. The script is...Sharp, and all the actors in the film get the...Point, that Robert Rodriguez is trying to get across...Have Fun at the theater tonight.
post #17 of 135
Very fun, very bloody. Thoughts:
- Fahey steals the entire movie, no lie. He's great in every single scene that he's in. Of everyone there, he 'got' it the most, and he's an absolute joy to watch from start to 'finish'.
- Michelle Rodriguez and Jessica Alba are smoking HOT in this film. Holy shit.
- Alba is her typical terrible self, though. Flat, wooden, and unconvincing. It kinda works within the context of this film, but it still stands out as a poor performance. That body, though...fuck.
- Lindsay is an afterthought, strictly there to provide half of the tits in the pool scene with Machete. It's a throwaway.
- Seagal is fat. REALLY fat. He's fun to watch, though. His 'finish' isn't what you expect it to be, and he hams it up in a really amusing way.

I'd call it VERY GOOD but not GREAT. The political bullshit really slows down the momentum of the story. You're there to watch people kicking ass, and the long pauses while Alba gives yet another speech about immigration only get in the way.
I saw this in a theater with about 30 other people who all enjoyed it and laughed/cheered at the appropriate moments. I suspect that this film would play better in a full theater of screaming fans.
post #18 of 135
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- Lindsay is an afterthought, strictly there to provide half of the tits in the pool scene with Machete.
Well, she doesn't. It's the original Grindhouse footage. They either used a shot or used CG to cover the actress' face with her hair.
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- Michelle Rodriguez and Jessica Alba are smoking HOT in this film. Holy shit.
Yes.

I really like Michelle Rodriguez, and she's smoking, but she's even better here because she drops some of the faux hard-ass act. Very appealing. I liked her in the dreary Fast & Furious because she was at her most cheery in the beach scenes with Diesel. This is basically the same, lighter riff on her usual self, except it's not a crappy boring movie.
post #19 of 135
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I suspect that this film would play better in a full theater of screaming fans.
It does. I enjoyed the energy of the crowd (sold out showing) more than the film itself, but I suspect that on the drive home a lot of those people were like: "man, that movie was totally fuckin'...sufficient"

Also, I've realized that Alba is among the least sexiest sex symbols in recent memory. The face and body might be great, but if you've got nothing behind the eyes, it all falls apart.
post #20 of 135
I came in here to express disappointment, but on second thought, it's not really disappointment, because it's about what I expected from Rodriguez. I'm reminded a lot here of ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO (This is clearly more fun on the whole than that one, though). There's a handful of fun scenes and gags, but in the end Rodriguez and crew try to shove too many characters into the end, and Machete becomes a bit player in his own movie. That really wouldn't be a problem if the finale wasn't so formless, which is what really reminded me of OUATIM. The Seagal fight was quite undercooked, too.

Still a ton of fun, though. As others have mentioned, Fahey shines.
post #21 of 135
The same problem I have with RR, Keith. He's great at setting up all these larger than life cartoony characters and matching them with actors willing to bite their teeth into them, but when it comes to paying it all off...not so good.

Though I will say that Padre's fate did make me a little sad...till I thought about how ridiculous it was. At least he went down fighting, facing a worthy opponent in Savini.
post #22 of 135
This was already one of my most hotly anticipated movies of the year. If I was extremely psyched for it before reading this thread, I'm positively bouncing off the fucking walls right about now. Trejo is so long past overdue for something like this it's obscene. That Jeff Fahey is apparently the other major reason to see this further just warms my heart in all the exact right places.

I need to have seen this yesterday.
post #23 of 135
Total mixed bag. When it comes to Trejo hacking up folks and Fahey defying Rodriguez's orders to be one-dimensional it's fine. But holy Hades everything with Alba is such dung. Get rid of her and just focus more on Michelle Rodriguez and the film would flow so much better.

Seagal is enchanting as Torrez (Online). Movie desperately needed more of him. His demise is just about the only memorable moment from that mess of a final showdown. Most of the time the climax looked like something out of a ZAZ film what with the kitchen workers running around with pots and pans and all that noise. Way too slapsticky.

DeNiro slums admirably. The campaign ad with him in the hospital was his high point. Don Johnson got shafted. He's never given the chance to be as menacing as he wants to be. Lohan, I don't know, whatever.

The charred body/thermometer gag was nifty.

I reckon I'd watch another one though. But if they want to skip past MACHETE KILLS/MACHETE KILLS AGAIN and just give us MACHETE VS. HOBO that'd be fine.
post #24 of 135
It follows the typical Rodriguez formula where it starts out amazing, then gradually runs out of steam/creativity. It seems to happen with just about everything he does. The opening scene to this is fantastic (three beheadings at once, multiple blood spurts, the 'am I really seeing this?' naked hot chick with the cell phone hidden in her vag).

But at the climax, no matter how much chaos and shooting there is, there's nothing as cool as the 'swing on a guy's intestine' shot from earlier. And the deaths of DeNiro, Seagal and Johnson are all really anti-climactic. Still, definitely worth seeing for the first half. Liked it a lot more than "The Expendables". (And, I really missed the trenchcoat full of machetes shot from the trailer.)
post #25 of 135
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I admit the shootouts get a bit stale as the movie progresses, but I fucking love the finale. Everything you guys seem to think is goofy about it is exactly what's funny to me. I dunno. Is it not supposed to be funny? Who quantifies how over-the-top it's supposed to be? levrock's criticism that there could have been some more moments of supreme badassery is a half-fair one (I mean, the motorcycle jump bit is still hilarious to me, so there's that, plus the entrance of the ambulance, De Niro as a Mexican gardener shooting people, and the Seagal showdown), but still.

Jessica Alba's acting has never bothered me, because I've never seen her in a movie where I cared about her giving more than a plainly passable performance. Except for her "we didn't cross the border...the border crossed us!" speech, there was nothing she did in the movie that bugged me.
post #26 of 135
Yeah, the finale is full of the comedy, but it's formless and limp. What's the word I'm looking for, no OOOMPH.
post #27 of 135
The whole thing just felt completely limp besides the opening scene. I could not believe how bored I was.
post #28 of 135
This was seriously entertaining garbage, easily my top Rodriguez flick. I just loved his whole over the top brownsploitation wish-fulfillment approach. Movie had a great spirit, violent and inventive action on a regular basis, and a sense of humour that felt just right. I smiled at the Carpenter shoutout when Fahey was showing Trejo the weapons. Little bit of Woo there in the church? And the fact that he threw in a "hero gearing up" weapons montage puts him one up on Sly's movie.

Trejo, Fahey, Johnson, Marin, Rodriguez, were all great. DeNiro and Alba were awful but funny awful. Sabara could have been something but he was wasted. As for Sensei he was awesome, been saying he should play the bad guy for like a decade now. His accent was amazing. And maybe it was the lighting but in some scenes he appeared to be in brownface- if so, LOL. Can't wait to get the DVD so I can hear the commentary during his bits, especially his death scene.

By the way, some classic SS proving cultural authenticity behaviour in this movie: "pendejo" and "puta" are entry level stuff, but the casual use of "poneta", now that implies some research. Spanish speaking buds sitting either side of me were rightly impressed. Really fun stuff overall.
post #29 of 135
Yeah, the finale was so over the top I couldn't help but think it was a parody of action films, but that's one of the qualities that I loved it. As Molt said, everything with Alba was dung. Seriously. Every time she's onscreen, the movie hits the breaks HARD. I'd rather have had Michelle Rodriguez set up as the love interest. There really wasn't any use for Alba's character save for him giving her the information to clear his name. The movie could have done without her.

Fahey steals Danny Trejo's movie from him, and Lohan was as useless as Alba.

I actually was waiting for Seagal to open his eyes, get up, and say "Puneta" at the tail end of the movie to set up the sequel, but I guess him committing Hara Kiri was the next best thing.

Seagal used his swagger (Yes he's definitely got it) to make a memorable impact with his small role. The fight was short, but it was cool.

I agree with Tyler on De Niro. He's game, and he has fun in the role. Especially when he goes Mexican at the end. That got so much laughter in the theater.

I already want to see this insane piece of celluloid again. It was friggin' awesome.
post #30 of 135
I enjoyed myself well enough, but if this movie was better than The Expendables... I feel as though I shouldn't even bother with that movie.

Every Rodriguez movie I see, the more I'm disappointed with his action sequences. I'm probably just looking through some spiffy rose-colored glasses, but I recall the action in his earlier films (shot on the film that Rodriguez hates so much) had a lot more energy and weight. El Mariachi, Desperado, From Dusk Till Dawn... Regardless of the low-grade nature of the story being told, his action sequences were well put together. Now it feels like he just puts them through his non-linear digital grinder. Other than a few moments here and there, the action wasn't all that fun to watch. I don't even think most of it was all that crazy or funny.

Alba. Hahahaha. Still delivering every performance like a pep squad cheer. There isn't much difference between her acting here and the way she presents the MTV Movie Awards. So beautiful, but no sex appeal at all.

Rodriguez NEEDED to have been the female lead in this. Whooooo... I've had a crush on her since Girlfight.

Fahey was definitely the best part of the movie. He was practically the star. Savini's commercial was the funniest part of the movie. I love that Chingon is credited with the movie's score. Love that Rodriguez set up the hospital escape with the random factoid about the length of the human intestine.

Nick is absolutely right about Trejo. The thrill of seeing him starring in his own movie wears off quick when the movie has little idea of what more to do with him. It felt like he was barely present during the entire climax till it was time to fight Seagal.
post #31 of 135
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Love that Rodriguez set up the hospital escape with the random factoid about the length of the human intestine.
A factoid that feels less out of the blue coming from the mouth of the doctor from Grindhouse. Really like that guy; funny to think he's not an actor but Rodriguez's actual doctor.
post #32 of 135
HA! That's great!
post #33 of 135
I really enjoyed it. In fact, for the first forty minutes or so, I thought it was going to be brilliant. Then it gets saggy and unfocused.

Specifically, I wanted more illegal immigration nonsense. The early stuff (Don Johnson shooting an anchor baby, DeNiro's insect commercial) was all fantastic, and the first time I can remember a movie presenting those types of people as cartoonish villains. I was ready for it to go somewhere and it almost did, but then it didn't.

Didn't mind Alba. She wasn't good, but I didn't think she was terrible, except for her Braveheart speech. Also, not sure why the movie gave her an arc and not Trejo. That would have been an easy fix, just letting him assume his mantle as a legend.

I'm suprised DeNiro took the role, because it's a really problematic one. It feels like it's halfway between two different script revisions. There's the viscious bully who shoots illegals from the back of Don Johnson's jeep, and there's the misguided buffoon getting exploited by Fahey. I think either the movie should have ended with him getting saved by Michelle Rodriguez and learning to walk a mile in an immigrant's shoes, or with him stealing the clothes off a dead Mexican and cowardly slinking away, only to get shot by his own voter base. As is, it's both, and neither is as satisfying as it could be. DeNiro is fun to watch, but I probably would have tried to get Joe Don Baker.

But the good stuff outweighs all that, especially the Trejo, M. Rodriguez, and Fahey. I wish She's big turn hadn't been revealed in the ads, because it's one of the better moments of the movie. Fahey makes a strong arguement that he should be playing high profile supporting roles in just about any kind of movie. I think Nick's right in suggesting he could be entering into a new level career-wise, and I'd like to see interesting directors start using him. And Trejo ain't no joke. The guy has genuine charisma.

This reminded me of the Rodriguez movies that really worked for me when i was younger (From Dusk Till Dawn and Sin City), and I'm surprised it turned out as good as it did. It's strange, most of the best times I've had in theaters this year have been watching junk cinema one-offs. If I make a Top Ten List, it's going to look like it was written by a twelve year old.
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I think either the movie should have ended with him getting saved by Michelle Rodriguez and learning to walk a mile in an immigrant's shoes, or with him stealing the clothes off a dead Mexican and cowardly slinking away, only to get shot by his own voter base. As is, it's both, and neither is as satisfying as it could be. DeNiro is fun to watch, but I probably would have tried to get Joe Don Baker.
I know, right!? I didn't get why the movie basically gave DeNiro 2 different endings. Felt pointless. In a movie that's all about satiating bloodlust, it felt so wrong to have Don Johnson's upchuckin' henchman get such a big kill and drive away scott-free. And that's after DeNiro already had karmic payback via Fahey's daughter. Unless the henchman gets some comeuppance in MACHETE KILLS...?
post #35 of 135
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I know, right!? I didn't get why the movie basically gave DeNiro 2 different endings. Felt pointless. In a movie that's all about satiating bloodlust, it felt so wrong to have Don Johnson's upchuckin' henchman get such a big kill and drive away scott-free. And that's after DeNiro already had karmic payback via Fahey's daughter. Unless the henchman gets some comeuppance in MACHETE KILLS...?
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Rodriguez said in an interview that they shot several characters' deaths but cut them out because they might want them in sequels. MORE SAVINI
Sounds reasonable. Bring back Don Johnson and his evil border busters!

Oh, and the Lohan stuff should have been cut out early on. I think they just got a little overexcited about their gimmick casting there.
post #36 of 135
Yea! All we saw is blood splatter all over Don Johnson's dashboard! Maybe Michelle Rodriguez and his character can have a constant back and forth of shooting each other and mistakenly leaving them for dead. Johnson can come back... uh... missing his hat?

My audience exhibited an obviously haughty chuckle when Lohan's face was revealed.

I was with a friend who's still completely in love with Lohan. This wasn't at all his type of movie, but he missed seeing her in movies and bit the bullet. I wonder if he knows that Lohan's nudity was done by a body double...
post #37 of 135
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I dunno, I liked that you get 2 endings for De Niro. You wonder if maybe he actually learned something, and then, nope, he didn't.
post #38 of 135
Really enjoyed it. It's more a pure grindhouse movie than PLANET TERROR was. All it missed was Machete sitting down to a local Austin restaurant for 5 minutes as they shamelessly plug the food there because the restaurant partially paid for the film budget.
post #39 of 135
I hate to harp on Alba more but I'm genuinely curious to know what Rodriguez sees in her. If they have a great rapport, that's all well and good, but Eva Mendes (not a great actress, but better than Alba by miles) would have been much easier to watch in that role.

As far is De Niro is concerned, I don't think he slummed admirably, he just slummsed. I used to think that De Niro could do fucking anything, but it wouldn't surprise me if he was just as confused and lost as his character often seemed to be. The idea of De Niro's character is more interesting than anything he brings to it, allowing an actor like Fahey, who's done the Z-grade movie grind most of his career, to really bring it in a way that no one else in the film does. When Fahey blasts his way through that crackhouse to get his daughter, I quickly realized that he was going to be the guy to watch. In his younger years, he was always a bit hammy, but age has affored the man a presence that really kind of jumps out at you.

The novelty in the Seagal casting wears off, I think, midway through his first scene and he never acquits himself in any meaningful way until his death scene, which is better than the deaths of any of the other primary heavies.
post #40 of 135
I also thought the movie was a mixed bag. Trejo delivered but there wasn't enough of him. He was at the top of his stone-faced game and also at the top of his EMOTIONAL game. I felt Machete's pain when he looked at pictures of his wife and kid while having a smoke. Fahey gives it his all. But where was his glorious death? I thought he was supposed to be killed by Machete's motorcycle gatling gun. Seagal said "puñeta" a lot via web cam. Cheech was pretty good. Don Johnson wasn't in it nearly enough. And COLOR ME SURPRISED that Savini had one of the best moments in the film! I'm talking of course about the part where he does really lame push ups. Based on a shot in the trailer, I thought he'd be killed, but I guess Tom begged Rodriguez to bring him back for a possible sequel.

But there's way too much side character bullshit. I didn't hate Alba, but she's in the movie way too much. All of the Lohan stuff stopped the movie dead in it's tracks. Also, Rodriguez wastes way too much time on scenes where Machete and the rest of our heroes try to figure out why he was hired to assassinate the Senator and double crossed. I think even the dumbest audience member figured out what Fahey and co. were doing almost immediately.

And aside from Seagal's "This is nothing. This ain't shit." the finale did indeed suck.
That pre-finale shot of some guy flopping around wildly in the back of a low rider had me thinking I was in for something special, but no!
post #41 of 135
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Remarkably, just about everybody involved knows how to play this mixture of camp, carnage, and social commentary. Rodriguez can pirouette from a cartoonishly brutal scene of multiple decapitations (Machete is awfully handy with his trademark weapon) to a fake political ad that sounds like the latest sound bite from Arizona to a gratuitous shower scene that slyly uses Alba with her consent to the slapstick comedy of Machete disguised as a gardener while fighting a villain with a lawn edger, and throughout all the changes the tone of engaged mayhem remains consistent.
Thats from Ty Burr. If you think the movie works- which I did- this sums it up really well.

The coolest part is that it doesn't feel like mainstream cinema. I really hope Rodriguez churns out more flicks in this style. Its a nice place to be.
post #42 of 135
Oh and I think I like Nimrod Antal's acting better than his directing.
post #43 of 135
The smart henchman that says 'uncle' and walks away got applause from my audience. That was fun.
post #44 of 135
Didn't know that one henchman was Nimrod Antal. He did do a good job.

Yeah, everybody laughed when that one henchman just dropped his gun and walked away.
post #45 of 135
Henchmen who were a little more than mindless henchmen. I felt like I was watching a Shane Black film for a sec!
post #46 of 135
Oh, this was just delightful. Bloody, hilarious, and in case it hasnt been glaringly obvious over the years, Rodriguez has pristine taste in women.

However, I agree that they dont do nearly enough with Lohan, Johnson, or Seagal. Alba's still a complete charisma suck, especially whenever she's onscreen with Michelle Rodriguez, who's been playing the same surly bitch since the start of the century, but she's just so damned good at it. This just happens to be the first movie she gets to really revel in it and, for once, be just utterly sexy as hell doing it. Thought DeNiro was fine, though, its another case of the film not giving him enough. And, while I enjoyed the film, completely have to echo whoever it was who said the film never outdoes that bit with the intestines. Its still solid throughout, but the finale could've used that brand of mayhem a few more times.

But whatever. Its Trejo's show, and I wasnt disappointed in a single minute that man is onscreen. I just had a blast with this.
post #47 of 135
Gonna get shit for this but...I liked The Expendables and the A-Team better.

Don't get me wrong Machete was pretty great. The opening scene is fantastic, the phone in the vag went over huge in the theatre.

Fahey was pitch perfect as the bad guy, he did kinda steal Trejo's thunder but Trejo was awesome here too so it doesn't matter much. But DeNiro felt off as the Senator...can't quite put my finger on why. He just didn't work for me. Alba and Rodriguez were smokin hot and I didn't mind Alba at all. Although all the Rah Rah Mexican stuff felt fake. Cheech and his showdown with the Assassins was pretty good too, although that weed joke with Trejo was beyond aweful.

I thought the movie dragged big time. I thought I was sitting through a 3 hour movie. And the final fight was pretty bad until Seagal finished himself off. I mean, ok we get it Low Riders bounce. Lohan...meh.

And so far we now have two Seagal shitty accents. The Louisiana one that he slips in and out of on "Lawman" and his shitty Mexican accent from this. If Sly can get him for Expendables 2 I want him to go for the hat trick and bust out a British or Russian accent.
post #48 of 135
A collection of scenes in search of a purpose. When people trash PLANET TERROR for not being grindhouse enough, please watch more Umberto Lenzi and Joe D'Amato. This isn't bad, but if it was closer to 90 minutes, it would have been way more awesome. I like Trejo a lot, but I don't know if it did anything all that great with him. Alba can't act, full stop. Every scene where she's not naked is terrible, and the film loses points for cutting away from sex scenes.

As we were saying as we walked out, the motorcycle with the machine gun on front could have been awesome, but - like so much of the film - it just feels like an idea that never goes where it should. If the film was made to show how grindhouse trailers took all the best part of the movie and exploited it, leaving a vaguely disappointing movie, then well played, sir.
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte View Post
A collection of scenes in search of a purpose. When people trash PLANET TERROR for not being grindhouse enough, please watch more Umberto Lenzi and Joe D'Amato. This isn't bad, but if it was closer to 90 minutes, it would have been way more awesome. I like Trejo a lot, but I don't know if it did anything all that great with him. Alba can't act, full stop. Every scene where she's not naked is terrible, and the film loses points for cutting away from sex scenes.

As we were saying as we walked out, the motorcycle with the machine gun on front could have been awesome, but - like so much of the film - it just feels like an idea that never goes where it should. If the film was made to show how grindhouse trailers took all the best part of the movie and exploited it, leaving a vaguely disappointing movie, then well played, sir.
I don't think Planet Terror's problem is that it isn't grindhouse enough, it just feels very arranged, very on purpose. Machete is weirder. There are less rules, less of a plan, so it feels more natural, I guess.

Second time through, I still don't understand why people are complaining about Alba's acting. She doesn't bring anything to the film but I found she delivered her lines just fine with the exception of the big speech.

I think the one thing that would have really helped the "machine gun" bit is if he had kept riding it for another minute or so, gunning people down on the ground, doing a few more beheadings.

I also wonder what, if anything, the MPAA forced he and Maniquis to tone down.
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Being a bad actor/actress doesn't mean you have to be outrageously bad, it can mean exactly what you've just said of Alba; she brings nothing to the table. Saying that at least she's not stunningly shitty is hardly enoough to acquit her of the accusation that she's no good at her chosen profession. She consistently brings nothing to the table in every film she's ever been in.

Edit: Also, I think the MPAA tends to go light on films where the violence is cartoonishly over-the-top, I guess they feel it takes the edge off.
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