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post #351 of 379
yea, i have to say, this was a great finale. i'm a sucker for plans that go off like a well oiled machine.

can't wait for next season.
post #352 of 379
And please, let's not act as if Jax made some criminal master plan of Keyser Soze proportions. He basically came clean to the club at some point and then used Unser as a bait to ambush Stahl. V For Vendetta this wasn't.
post #353 of 379
But he did. The letter states this was a club vote. So they put all this into motion that night he went to Stahl.
post #354 of 379
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Originally Posted by stelios View Post
And please, let's not act as if Jax made some criminal master plan of Keyser Soze proportions. He basically came clean to the club at some point and then used Unser as a bait to ambush Stahl. V For Vendetta this wasn't.
As this was posted right after mine, I will say I didn't make it out to be a master plan of Soze proportions, merely that it was a plan that had many areas that could have gone wrong, but didn't.
post #355 of 379
It wasn't specifically about you.
post #356 of 379
The final 15 or so minutes of the finale were some of the more entertaining TV I've seen in a while, the flat out joy I had in seeing Opie get his revenge was a little disturbing but great to watch. As has been pointed out having Chibs and Opie not involved in the gun charge was either well planned or fortunate but I liked that they wrapped up those arcs.

I must admit to having stopped watching SoA for a little while there and it was only reviews of the finale that got me to watch the whole season, it was poor and the pacing was terrible. I hope that they don't drag stuff out as much in S4.
post #357 of 379
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And please, let's not act as if Jax made some criminal master plan of Keyser Soze proportions. He basically came clean to the club at some point and then used Unser as a bait to ambush Stahl. V For Vendetta this wasn't.
You're right, Jax's plan is more complicated. All Spacey's character did was bullshit a cop for an hour and fifteen minutes until he could post bail.

Though the ending does feel like a cheat since Sutter Gemma'd us too.
post #358 of 379
Yea the finale was enjoyable, but I honestly don't see what was that great about it. The bad guys all bought it, so in that respect it was satisfying. There was an unexpected twsit, but I didn't like the twist. Wool over the audiences eyes twists, usually don't sit well with me, especially on TV shows. I thought it would've been far more interesting if Jax actually was a rat and the club found out.

And having the Stahl betray Jax made it too easy to kill her. It would've been more interesting if she played ball, thus it would've focused the action as purely revenge from Opie. It also would've made her a little more sypathetic, she's just too evil for godsake.

Anybody else kinda hate Jon Teller? Asides from his douchey voice, he believes his wife and best friend are going to kill him, yet he seemingly does nothing other than compose whiny letters. The guy even has kids in two different countries, yet he doesn't care about leaving them fatherless.

And I really hope Tara gives Jax the letters at the start of the next season. I don't want half a season of Tara wondering whether or not she should burn em.
post #359 of 379
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I don't know about redeeming the season, but Chibs slicing up Jimmy was sweet as fuck.
My thoughts.
It was an excellent season finale. Still doesn't redeem a bad season.

I'll come back for season 4. Maybe a Prison Break style season?
post #360 of 379
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You're right, Jax's plan is more complicated. All Spacey's character did was bullshit a cop for an hour and fifteen minutes until he could post bail.
Yes, setting up and maintaining a criminal organization, running it for years through multiple, at times conflicting proxies, creating multiple fictional personas also maintaining them for years, is simple. Simply cannot compare to "After we get arrested ambush Stahl and kill her and Jimmy."
post #361 of 379
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Yes, setting up and maintaining a criminal organization, running it for years through multiple, at times conflicting proxies, creating multiple fictional personas also maintaining them for years, is simple. Simply cannot compare to "After we get arrested ambush Stahl and kill her and Jimmy."
Heh. I suppose that depends on how much truth you think there is in story being told by Spacey's character.
post #362 of 379
The cut to the guys in the back of the school bus, all kevlar and thousand yard stares, is made glorious by Chibs sipping on a juice box.
post #363 of 379
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My thoughts.
It was an excellent season finale. Still doesn't redeem a bad season.

I'll come back for season 4. Maybe a Prison Break style season?
Nah this sets up a one year (plus 5 months) later storyline. Hale is mayor, the sanwa(sp) sheriff's are in charge of Charming .. heck they may even set up in a new town.
post #364 of 379
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Heh. I suppose that depends on how much truth you think there is in story being told by Spacey's character.
I always felt that Soze was arrogant enough to basically tell the truth. But there's nothing to indicate that I'm correct in this belief.
post #365 of 379
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The cut to the guys in the back of the school bus, all kevlar and thousand yard stares, is made glorious by Chibs sipping on a juice box.
Not just any juice box. But a Jameson Irish Whiskey juice box.
post #366 of 379
"This is what she felt."

I had complaints about this season, but fuck, FUCK. Those last ten minutes, as soon as the Neil Young cover kicks in, were among the best of the series. Chibs going all Joker on Jimmy was fucking beautiful, but the Stahl thing came out of nowhere.

Absolutely powerful scene, and I can't remember the last time I remember seeing someone get a headshot with something that wasn't a pistol. That was some Verhoeven-level bloodshed in that scene.

Can't wait to see where the secrets go, and whether the Hamlet angle will come more into play in season four.
post #367 of 379
So uh we are just going to forget all about Otto's dead pornstar wife huh? She was murdered ya know........
post #368 of 379
It's been a busy two weeks for the club since that happened.

One thing I thought was weird was that they would draw attention to Opie getting engaged to the porn star before they had him getting his closure on the Donna issue (and thereby indirectly reminding us that they've been dating less than a month).
post #369 of 379
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"This is what she felt."

I had complaints about this season, but fuck, FUCK. Those last ten minutes, as soon as the Neil Young cover kicks in, were among the best of the series. Chibs going all Joker on Jimmy was fucking beautiful, but the Stahl thing came out of nowhere.

Absolutely powerful scene, and I can't remember the last time I remember seeing someone get a headshot with something that wasn't a pistol. That was some Verhoeven-level bloodshed in that scene.
The scene with Opie & Stahl in the car might be my favorite in the history of the show. Hell, I would say that Opie is my favorite character of them all. His first scene with Stahl ("Just remember, the outlaw showed mercy.") was amazing, but this one floored me. Ally Walker sells that scene just with her breathing.

"Now I don't." Ryan Hurst needs an Emmy nomination.
post #370 of 379
My favorite part of the scene was Opie deliberately removing Stahl's sunglasses before they get in the car. Both their expressions are fantastic.
post #371 of 379
My memory isn't what it was (clearly), what was the deal with Opie blaming Stahl for Donna's death? As far as i recall it was Tigg trying to kill him cause the club thought he was a rat.
post #372 of 379
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My memory isn't what it was (clearly), what was the deal with Opie blaming Stahl for Donna's death? As far as i recall it was Tigg trying to kill him cause the club thought he was a rat.
Stahl set him up to look like a rat.
post #373 of 379
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My memory isn't what it was (clearly), what was the deal with Opie blaming Stahl for Donna's death? As far as i recall it was Tigg trying to kill him cause the club thought he was a rat.
...and the reason the club thought he was a rat is because Stahl EXPLICITLY set things up to make Opie look like a rat, and try to pressure him into turning on the club.


So while Tig pulled the trigger, Stahl created the situation that led the club to think Opie was a rat.
post #374 of 379
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So uh we are just going to forget all about Otto's dead pornstar wife huh? She was murdered ya know........
I'm assuming that's why Otto was greeting his probable demise with a pitch-black humor - pretty much blind, dead wife, who fuckin' cares anymore?
post #375 of 379
Yeah I agree but I still would like to know if it was Tom Arnold and would like him to pay for it. At the very least I would like the club to care about it. A wife of a club memeber and a business partner were murdered and it's like it never happened. In "show time" it's only been like 2 weeks right?
post #376 of 379
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Yeah I agree but I still would like to know if it was Tom Arnold and would like him to pay for it. At the very least I would like the club to care about it. A wife of a club memeber and a business partner were murdered and it's like it never happened. In "show time" it's only been like 2 weeks right?
Well, I'm kind of figuring that figuring out Abel, Gemma being on the lam, and the time in Ireland GENEROUSLY works out to a month. I'd say sometime between two weeks and a month.

Granted, they've had a bit on their plate. But that's why the whole Abel kidnapping seems to me to have been a BAD idea - the season was somehow both overstuffed and boring.
post #377 of 379
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...and the reason the club thought he was a rat is because Stahl EXPLICITLY set things up to make Opie look like a rat, and try to pressure him into turning on the club.


So while Tig pulled the trigger, Stahl created the situation that led the club to think Opie was a rat.
Cool. Thanks guys. Forgot about Stahl's treachery. That also explains why the club still trusted Opie after thinking he had turned on them and made a deal with the Feds.
post #378 of 379
One of my many problems with the show is how they handle Opie. I totally get killing Stahl because she is ultimately responsible for Donna but what about Clay and Tig? It seems like he's completely forgiven them and that really doesn't sit right with me. Maybe next season will bring the conflict out since this year we had the baby stuff and most everything else was put aside.

For me this season was a big disappointment. I really liked the premiere. As a matter of fact I don't think that I've posted here since watching the premiere. Hale being taken out was big but everything between that and the finale was pretty weak. The finale itself wasn't shit until Unser put down his badge and duty weapon. That's when I started to take notice. Everything after that was pretty solid.

Side note re: Titus Welliver. Please don't hamper this man with an Irish accent. He's so fucking badass and I didn't understand half of what he was saying since last season.
post #379 of 379
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One of my many problems with the show is how they handle Opie. I totally get killing Stahl because she is ultimately responsible for Donna but what about Clay and Tig? It seems like he's completely forgiven them and that really doesn't sit right with me. Maybe next season will bring the conflict out since this year we had the baby stuff and most everything else was put aside.

For me this season was a big disappointment. I really liked the premiere. As a matter of fact I don't think that I've posted here since watching the premiere. Hale being taken out was big but everything between that and the finale was pretty weak. The finale itself wasn't shit until Unser put down his badge and duty weapon. That's when I started to take notice. Everything after that was pretty solid.

Side note re: Titus Welliver. Please don't hamper this man with an Irish accent. He's so fucking badass and I didn't understand half of what he was saying since last season.

 

Bump!

 

Just finished this season via Netflix. To BorisTheCheese: Opie's whole life revolves around the club (since working a shit job at the lumber yard didn't work out), so he's eager to rationalize away Clay and Tig's actions. Stahl is a very convienent target.

 

I feel like watching the premiere then the promos for all episodes up to the finale is the best way to enjoy this show. The IRA Baby thing was too convoluted, boring and dumb.

 

Also some of the music choices for this series really suck. Not Hey hey my my though.

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