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post #1 of 220
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So either this Stand-Up forum is new, or I'm blind.

In any case, I'm curious as to any chewers who do stand-up. 5-6 years ago I was doing it regularly, making a decent enough living off of it and doing a couple of small regional tours. It was a fun and interesting time. I haven't done it since though. Recently I started writing again for stand-up and I'm looking for venues where I can work on my new material and start crafting a new routine.

So any other chewers do stand-up? I'm curious to hear how you write and develop jokes, where/how you find your venues and any good stories or anecdotes. Hey, we can even network from here!
post #2 of 220
Getting into it! I've got roughly five minutes of stuff, still paring it down, adding to it, and working with a friend on some details. I haven't officially done any shows yet, but I've been hanging around comedians for the past couple of months and just getting used to the scene and the personalities in it before I dive in. I'll do a few open mics, but my first official show will be sometime mid-November - it's the graduation show for the class I'm currently taking.

Writing and developing is pretty much taken from real-life stuff. I develop jokes by adding my own twist to it, but mostly I agree with my friend's statement that "you don't find the joke, the joke finds you". That seems to be how I've come up with most of my material - something happens, I think "Hey, that'd make a great joke/anecdote/whatever", write it down, and then just let it go and see what happens.
post #3 of 220
Dude, I am so stalking you and heckling you. You better be fucking funny. I'm a tough critic as I find stand-up to be the lowest form of art, right under performance art.
post #4 of 220
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Good for you, Jake. I think a solid 5 minute set can be one of the hardest things to create. I think it's oft-times harder than creating a good longer set. With a longer set the audience can be a bit more forgiving. You can have a better ebb and flow between small jokes and big jokes and the audience doesn't seem to resent any missteps or detours. With 5 minutes it's got to be nothing but gold that builds and builds upon itself. It's a tricky thing to create.

I also carry a notebook with me everywhere to write down any and every idea that may come into my mind. I like creating what I call skeletons of a joke - loosely defined setup and a couple of different punchlines/directions where the joke could go. Then I like getting in front of an audience at an open mic and adding in the meat to the bones of the skeleton. I use a lot of improvisation to feel around for where I can add more punchlines, see what works, see which is the best direction to take any given joke, etc. After a few sessions at an open mic I'll usually have a pretty solid joke crafted from any given "skeleton."

I love the feeling of creating a joke, writing it down and thinking, "This joke is great. It's going to kill." I love just knowing that a joke is golden as I write it. And then getting up onstage and delivering it and having it fall completely flat. Ha! That reversal of fortune is glorious.
post #5 of 220
Awesome, Jake. Let us know when you get rolling with that. A suggestion: you should combine jokes with deadlifting weights onstage. Just to be different.
post #6 of 220
I performed standup for about 8 years from '01 to mid-09. I got to the feature level, but never got to do any long headlining sets.

Zanies is apparently starting up a new show for locals, and I was thinking about getting back on board. I haven't performed in over a year, so my comedy muscles are pretty much atrophied at this point. The first few times back promise to be brutal, but I'm still looking forward to it.
post #7 of 220
I've thought about doing it. I know I can be funny when I want to be, and I'm a passable mimic with potential (if I bothered to practice). But then I always remember that making your friends/colleagues/family crack up, and doing the same thing to people who don't know you are two very different things. Also, dying onstage sounds like the kind of nightmare I'm not sure I would handle well.

Not a Chewer anymore I guess, but I think Mr Beaks was a stand-up comic too. I would pay to see him do an hours worth of The Swarm related material.
post #8 of 220
Bombing can be brutal, but everybody goes through it. It's not pleasant, but it certainly toughens you up.

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Writing and developing is pretty much taken from real-life stuff. I develop jokes by adding my own twist to it, but mostly I agree with my friend's statement that "you don't find the joke, the joke finds you". That seems to be how I've come up with most of my material - something happens, I think "Hey, that'd make a great joke/anecdote/whatever", write it down, and then just let it go and see what happens.
Same here. From a practical viewpoint, I tried to take stuff from my life simply because it's harder to steal. (Fucking hacks.)
post #9 of 220
I've got a pretty great guru on my side, and she's already taught me a lot of shit. But yeah, stalk me, fuck with me, whatever, just buy me a drink afterward.

That being said, if y'all haven't watched Jerry Seinfeld's "Comedian", do it. It's pretty much him going through the struggle of him working on getting decent material. It ain't that easy, even for someone as high-profile as him (say what you will about his sense of humor, I can't fucking stand the guy but it's still interesting).
post #10 of 220
I've worked with a shit ton of comedians in the last five years. It's not a profession I'd care to get in to but I admire the fuck out of anyone who wants to give it a try.

Good luck to the lot of ya!
post #11 of 220
The DVD of Funny People has a decent documentary bit on the actors going out and practicing their stand-up, but the favourite bit is where Jonah Hill absolutely dies on stage. Personally, not sure I'd ever have the gets to get up there- too afraid of drying up. Although for whatever reason, if I see good stand-up (e.g. Louis CK), it seems so easy that I think 'I could do that'.

Of course, I can't.
post #12 of 220
If they were open mics in L.A., they were probably going to die no matter what. Open mics out here are either brutal, or they're mostly filled with comedians working on their stuff so it's gonna be a bad crowd.
post #13 of 220
My worst moment was when I auditioned for Last Comic Standing and completely froze. I think it was when the jib camera sailed over my head as I walked up on stage that I realized I was being filmed for television, and was a total deer in headlights. Holy hell, that sucked.
post #14 of 220
When I used to gig with my bands I'd think, "I'd love to have a crack at stand-up and not have to share the door take with these other 3 reprobates," but my dream was crippled by me not being funny.
post #15 of 220
I just got into it because A) I wanted to do comedy, and B) I wanted to do something that, in theory, scared the shit out of me. Now if I can do both of those and eventually pay the bills with it (not be rich and famous, even though if that happens I'm okay with it), I'll be stoked.
post #16 of 220
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If they were open mics in L.A., they were probably going to die no matter what. Open mics out here are either brutal, or they're mostly filled with comedians working on their stuff so it's gonna be a bad crowd.
Oh no, Hill was horrible. And it was the first time they tried to film some live stuff, and he's apparently been killing before that. Seth Rogen, in particular, loves watching Hill fail. But more people should buy Funny People anyway.
post #17 of 220
Yeah, I need to get on that.
post #18 of 220
I've always wanted to try but a) my area is really not conducive to the art and b) the usual fear of bombing.
post #19 of 220
I've bombed as part of a play (slapstick to a dead crowd is fucking horrible) but I could always hide behind my fellow actors and commiserate with them after. Alone. On stage. In a bar. No damn way.
post #20 of 220
Yeah but Ryan, you're not a redneck, and you're from Alberta. That alone is sad enough it's hilarious!

And Jake, if you ever get to Montreal, I'll be your #1 groupie. And we have one solid comedy festival, so if you're get here, things are looking good for you.
post #21 of 220
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I've bombed as part of a play (slapstick to a dead crowd is fucking horrible) but I could always hide behind my fellow actors and commiserate with them after. Alone. On stage. In a bar. No damn way.
It's brutal, it really is. But in an absolutely wonderful way. Bombing is an excellent barometer, and what I hate more than bombing is getting cheap laughs or pity laughs. Bombing hurts, but in a way that compels you to do something more or better. It hurts so good.
post #22 of 220
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Yeah but Ryan, you're not a redneck, and you're from Alberta. That alone is sad enough it's hilarious!
Don't get me started on Alberta politics, Martin. The PQs and the Bloc might be separatists but at least they have socially progressive ideas. The separatist party in Alberta are right of the Montana Freemen.
post #23 of 220
I just started listening to WTF with Marc Maron, I've been thinking about stand-up a lot. I've done a few shows, but nothing in a serious actual club setting. Been meaning to attend an open mic my friend curates, but it's hard to muster up the courage to take that first step.
post #24 of 220
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If you could control a club/bar setting like you controlled an auditorium (The boll weevil is us!) then I wouldn't worry, Patrick.
post #25 of 220
I've always been a fan of standup, from a very young age. I'm also shy and terrified of rejection, so I never tried. I still thought about it a lot, especially after I saw Hicks twice.

From an outsiders long-time-fan and comedy nerd perspective, I think you could do far worse than:

1) Listen to every episode of WTF With Marc Maron (excellent start, Patrick!). I also recommend The Nerdist, Doug Loves Movies, and The Adam Carolla podcast (fast forward is your friend - he gets many good comics on the show), and Comedy Death Ray Radio
2) Read "The Satiristas!" http://www.satiristas.com/
3) Start lurking the boards at aspecialthing.com (Doug Benson and a bunch of other comics post there)
4) Follow as many comedians and writers as you can on Twitter
5) From listening to all of those podcasts, it seems like LA chewer comics should basically live at UCB, Largo, and maybe The Comedy Store, though the last sure gets demonized by Maron and others.
6) Just starting in LA contains many pitfalls, one of which is getting seen by the right people too early, before you're ready. Try to stay under the radar for the first two years and develop your voice/act.

This is nearly all stuff that I've heard comics say on podcasts. Take it as you will.
post #26 of 220
Jake, if you and your boyfriend Tati come to the east coast, I'll take you to the Comedy Cellar in NY, or Helium in Philly. You'll dig it. Otherwise, let's check out some stand up in LA next time I'm out.
post #27 of 220
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I've always been a fan of standup, from a very young age. I'm also shy and terrified of rejection, so I never tried. I still thought about it a lot, especially after I saw Hicks twice.

From an outsiders long-time-fan and comedy nerd perspective, I think you could do far worse than:

1) Listen to every episode of WTF With Marc Maron (excellent start, Patrick!). I also recommend The Nerdist, Doug Loves Movies, and The Adam Carolla podcast (fast forward is your friend - he gets many good comics on the show), and Comedy Death Ray Radio
2) Read "The Satiristas!" http://www.satiristas.com/
3) Start lurking the boards at aspecialthing.com (Doug Benson and a bunch of other comics post there)
4) Follow as many comedians and writers as you can on Twitter
5) From listening to all of those podcasts, it seems like LA chewer comics should basically live at UCB, Largo, and maybe The Comedy Store, though the last sure gets demonized by Maron and others.
6) Just starting in LA contains many pitfalls, one of which is getting seen by the right people too early, before you're ready. Try to stay under the radar for the first two years and develop your voice/act.

This is nearly all stuff that I've heard comics say on podcasts. Take it as you will.
Already on all these aside from the 2nd and 5th one! 5th one because I ain't ready for those yet.

And Phil, I'm down either way!
post #28 of 220
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I've always wanted to try but a) my area is really not conducive to the art and b) the usual fear of bombing.
Where?

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Writing and developing is pretty much taken from real-life stuff. I develop jokes by adding my own twist to it, but mostly I agree with my friend's statement that "you don't find the joke, the joke finds you".
Seriously asking, how distant is the stuff you consider funny on paper to the one you really try later? I always wondered about that issue. I mean It's impressive the style' required to craft a good one.
post #29 of 220
Well, you just work on keeping it lean. It always starts off as a small bit that I flesh out in my head later - sometimes I write shit down right when it hits, sometimes I write down a tiny incident that I think would be funny and work it later. It's not too incredibly distant so far, but that's not to say that something needs to change. Jokes can almost always be fixed.
post #30 of 220
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See: That is what I find interesting. You do the fleshing out in your head. I find that difficult, and oft-times I completely misread what I think will be funny in my head with what is actually going to be funny. So I tend to do the fleshing out through trial and error in front of an audience.

How do you develop sense to flesh it out in your head and then keep it fresh and have it work in front of your crowd?
post #31 of 220
Jake, no bullshit. I'd love to see you doing stand up.

I imagine you shouting things at the audience in different languages when they don't respond to your shit.

Phil, my plans to go north have been postponed for a little while. Economics and shit. Next year!
post #32 of 220
I find any idea I have has to be fleshed out in my head as I roll it around. Luckily my job is a lot of mindless work, so I have a lot of time to do just that.
post #33 of 220
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Dang. What you just said, Patrick made me realize something. I can't yet really describe it. I've got to think about it. But it's interesting.
post #34 of 220
Observations I've made while at open mics: Don't ever, ever, EVER open your set with "I don't really think I'm funny, but..." because congratulations, now no one else thinks you are, either. I almost wanted to go and tell the guy it was OK for him to go sit down, because the crickets he was getting was defeaning. And awkward.

I've been seriously entertaining this for a good while now, and the only thing holding me back is any time I'm on stage in front of people, I almost always hiccup my way through the first minute before I get relaxed enough to find a rythem. And at a 5 minute open mic, 60 seconds lasts a lifetime. The only way around it is for me to rehearse extensively, and/or be slightly intoxicated. I've thought about taking some improv classes to shake out the cobwebs, though, so we'll see.
post #35 of 220
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Maybe this thread needs to be a support group to get people over their fear of taking that first step. It seems like just as every drawer in every office has half a manuscript for a novel waiting there, most people have a 3-5 minute routine stuck underneath a bit of fear.
post #36 of 220
I'm not afraid of crowds, but I am afraid that my girlfriend will break up with me if I do half my material.
post #37 of 220
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Yeah. I have had only 2 family members who have ever seen me do stand-up. They came on a "special" night. We were doing a joint show with the local independent cinema who had just opened The Aristocrats. The film was proving to be immensely popular so we teamed up to do a show where the public could see the film and then come and hear local comedians perform their version of the joke. My family members thought this would be a good night to come see me. I hold the record for the evening: I walked 20 people. My family was . . . surprised.

So what I'm saying is, if my family hasn't disowned me yet, I'm sure your ladyfriend won't abandon you. At least immediately.
post #38 of 220
Unless you want to make some cracks about her giant queefs making bubbles in the bathtub or something. Then she might not be so happy.
post #39 of 220
More about how much I hate her mother, and the idea of mother-in-law jokes in general. She knows I hate her mother, but the approach I came up with today might be a little too personal.

EDITED TO REMOVE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE.
post #40 of 220
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More about how much I hate her mother, and the idea of mother-in-law jokes in general. She knows I hate her mother, but the approach I came up with today might be a little too personal.

EDITED TO REMOVE INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE.
Ah, but if she does break up with you, you're bound to get more material out of that, so you can't lose.
post #41 of 220
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Ah, but if she does break up with you, you're bound to get more material out of that, so you can't lose.
For real. Look at Gwen Stefani. Bitch ain't made any music worth a damn since she got happy.
post #42 of 220
One thing I decided from the get-go:

I'd rather just make single life jokes than use it as a podium to bag on my ex. That just seems awfully bitter and spiteful, and I don't have any ill will toward my her at all. She's a good gal and I still care about her, but we just didn't work out in the end, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Plus, I'm pretty certain that you can hear women's vaginas smacking shut like car doors whenever a guy gets up on stage and starts howling about his ex.
post #43 of 220
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Getting into it! I've got roughly five minutes of stuff, still paring it down, adding to it, and working with a friend on some details. I haven't officially done any shows yet, but I've been hanging around comedians for the past couple of months and just getting used to the scene and the personalities in it before I dive in. I'll do a few open mics, but my first official show will be sometime mid-November - it's the graduation show for the class I'm currently taking.

Writing and developing is pretty much taken from real-life stuff. I develop jokes by adding my own twist to it, but mostly I agree with my friend's statement that "you don't find the joke, the joke finds you". That seems to be how I've come up with most of my material - something happens, I think "Hey, that'd make a great joke/anecdote/whatever", write it down, and then just let it go and see what happens.
That's so awesome, big Jake!

I hope you have the right influences, tho. Goes without saying, I should hope, that you need to listen to Andrew Dice Clay's first few albums. Talk about presence!

And someon'e gotta lead the way and bring smashing watermelons back.
post #44 of 220
Also, props.
post #45 of 220
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Also, props.
Well, you're already a gym rat. Now you just need horrendous plastic surgery.
post #46 of 220
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Already on all these aside from the 2nd and 5th one! 5th one because I ain't ready for those yet.
You should totally check out UCB. Even at their worst, the crowds are never the typical cold LA open mic crowd. It feels very much like a community, still.


And like you Jake, I am getting into it! I've been doing sketch comedy for about three years, but since failing out of Los Angeles I've been working on it as a way to stay in the game until I get back there.

I'm totally comfortable on stage and all that. Where I'm finding the challenge is the polar opposite direction the writing goes in. The genesis of stuff is the same, but the next stages are hard. Editing dialogue is easy compare to editing an idea.
post #47 of 220
I heard bad stuff about UCB (mostly that they can be more brutal than the rest due to the whole "comedy hipster" element), but I'm still going to go check them out.
post #48 of 220
When I said "live at UCB and Largo" in my earlier post I meant just hang out there a lot and absorb everything. Try to become a familiar face there in the crowd, but don't try to perform there until you're ready, of course. When you do finally perform there, they may go easier on you if the crowd and some of the comics know who you are.

Chris Hardwick says repeatedly on the Nerdist podcast that starting out in stand up in LA is about the hardest place to do it. Good luck.

Again, this is not my advice. Just what I've heard from people like Hardwick.
post #49 of 220
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Goes without saying, I should hope, that you need to listen to Andrew Dice Clay's first few albums. Talk about presence!
Jake can learn a lot about broads from Andrew Dice Clay. OOOOOH!
post #50 of 220
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Sketch comedy has a whole different feel than stand-up, for both the performers and the audience.
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