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Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle: Turtles Forever

post #1 of 28
9/14/10 at 5:45pm
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Just watched this again, and I'm thinking its kind of brilliant. The animation isn't the most amazing thing, and the plot is a replay of every mirror/multi verse story ever, but the love and care that went into the idea is adorable. It's like handing the modern franchise to Grant Morrison and letting him make fun of the absurdity. The only catch is that the audience really does need a working knowledge of all three generations. Should've been dumb, but for the 4 or 5 of us that actually payed attention to the comics and both animated series it's meta-textual joy.
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post #2 of 28
9/14/10 at 7:50pm
I just watched this last weekend and totally agree. Lots of fun for fans new and old. Was a little disappointed they couldn't bring back to original voice actors, and I was a bit thrown by the current incarnation of Shredder. Is he Krang and Shredder rolled into one? Still, seeing the original Mirage Turtles (in black and white!) was a real treat. Definitely worth a look.
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post #3 of 28
9/14/10 at 8:11pm
Shredder in that cartoon is an alien of Krang's species who crashed on Earth in feudal Japan and body-snatched some samurai. Or something.

In any case, "We save April once a day!!"
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post #4 of 28
9/14/10 at 8:31pm
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Ok, I got big load of NERD to drop on you all, so be prepared.

The One True Shredder was actually a mystical monster they fought in the last regular season (the Lost Episodes). He is dead dead (well apparently sort of alive in the matrix on the new series which I was unable to watch for more than a few episodes, it was like Tron Turtles). Otherwise TMNT 2003 Shredder was an ancient evil Utrom (call back to the comics, and not Krang's Dimension X species). This is convienently kept secret for a great deal of the series, but eventually they realize he, like Krang, is a brain controlling an outter body. When the Turtles finally subdue him (for the millionth time) the Utrom pass sentence, which is eternity on an ice planet. Hence him being a little brain dude.

I'd also like to give special appreciation to the BandW turtles spouting the same kind of Frank Miller mocking dialog in the first comic collection.

And did anyone catch Tokka and Razaar?
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post #5 of 28
9/14/10 at 8:55pm
I bow to your superior knowledge.

I should've paused the shots where they showed windows into all the other dimensions, so I could've seen which ones I was familiar with. I caught the live-action movie Turtles and the 2007 movie Turtles.

It seems like the 2003 cartoon and the 2007 movie sorta bleed together, given the character designs for April and Casey Jones and the presence of Karai. Am I off-base?
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post #6 of 28
9/14/10 at 9:13pm
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Yeah, I think that they diverge after the Utrom Shredder is frozen and Leonardo is feeling lost. In tv universe he goes to Japan to train, in movie universe he hangs out in South America.

ETA: Come to think of it, Karai telling the turtles Shredder will return at the end of the movie could've (totally was't) been an awkward connection between all three.

I know it's had to believe but it was a pretty good cartoon while it lasted, and I think its entirely free on-line, including the banned Stockman melts episode. They didn't get the Hun had a dumpster siamese twin, which would've led to something shockingly close to a children's animated version of Basket Case.
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post #7 of 28
9/14/10 at 10:42pm
Gabe Powers, I loved...Turtles Forever! I am definitely a fan of the...1st TMNT series. I love the goofy humor, how the Turtles and Shredder occasionally break the...4th wall, and talk directly to the audience. I think that it is a shame that the deal fell through, to have, Turtles Forever be shown in movie theaters. That would have been an event worth...Shelling out, Greenbacks for. To me...Turtles Forever is the best of the films involving the...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Cowabunga!
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post #8 of 28
9/15/10 at 4:18am
ooh new turtles move to watch?? I must go find this

thanks
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post #9 of 28
9/15/10 at 4:26am
I'll be honest: I have no idea what is being discussed here.
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post #10 of 28
9/15/10 at 5:37am
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Originally Posted by Greg Clark View Post
I'll be honest: I have no idea what is being discussed here.
Some insane executives gave the TMNT animation team the funds to make a feature length movie where they meet their '80s counterparts, leading to a Crisis on many earth's issue. It's so in-jokey and metatextual it seems to have been made for a dozen sad men who have retained cannon material over the years. Mostly I'm just excited at how improbable the whole thing is.
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post #11 of 28
9/15/10 at 8:32am
I was a giant fan of the 80's Turtles series, though having bought a few DVDs, much as I still cling on to fond memories, it wasn't very good. Gave the 00's incarnation a try, thought it decent but dull, and the movie really didn't do anything for me (didn't like the original movies, either.) What little I read of the original comic felt dumb and smug.

And having said all that, I'm STILL stoked by the description of this movie!
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post #12 of 28
9/15/10 at 9:00am
I was able to find it and watch the whole thing on YouTube. Enjoyable but the 80's version of the Turtles were pretty annoying.
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post #13 of 28
9/15/10 at 10:45am
MoonBaseNick, You don't enjoy...The 80's Turtles? That was what interested me in...Turtles Forever. I feel the...21st Century Turtles do not have enough fun. Their Shredder doesn't have Krang, goofy subordiates like, Bebop and Rocksteady, the Channel 6 news team, including April, Irma, and co. Their Shredder is too much like, Darth Vader, and not a fun, yet...EEEEEEEvil Over The Top supervillain. To me, April O'Neill is the...Lois Lane of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and should always remain a, reporter. I did like the April from the, cgi TMNT (07), as she joined her friends in battle. The one thing about the, 21st century TMNT is the addition of Shredder's Daughter Karai.
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post #14 of 28
9/15/10 at 11:02am
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I was able to find it and watch the whole thing on YouTube. Enjoyable but the 80's version of the Turtles were pretty annoying.
Agreed I don't remember them being that bad when I watched the cartoon.

Overall it was ok but I doubt I'll watch it again.
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post #15 of 28
9/15/10 at 2:37pm
I really enjoyed the satire of the 80s turtles in this flick. My favourite part is when one the 80s turtles is saying a one-liner directly into the camera, and the 2000s era villain looks into the camera dumbfounded. "WHO ARE YOU TALKING TO?" The black and white turtles at the end were awesome too. I loved their intensity, their dialog, and how they mocked the others for looking silly.
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post #16 of 28
9/16/10 at 8:24pm
I hadn't even heard of this. I've got to watch it now.
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post #17 of 28
9/16/10 at 9:18pm
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Agreed I don't remember them being that bad when I watched the cartoon.
It's really bad. I reviewed a collection, and each episode was the same story, they'd just introduce a new action figure. The '03 series becomes a really fun sci-fi show around the second season. And the Insane in the Membrane episode is a must see for the gore overload.
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post #18 of 28
9/16/10 at 9:36pm
Gabe Powers, I did not like the...new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle series (2003), But I love the original, and have the first...8 seasons on dvd. I love the new film, with 3 generations of...TMNT! Cowabunga!
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post #19 of 28
9/16/10 at 10:18pm
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How far did you get into the series Duke. It really grew on me when I watched it randomly on my old lunch break, and found out every episode is available free on-line. Based on the stuff you post I'd just assume it was up your alley.
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post #20 of 28
9/16/10 at 11:11pm
Gabe Powers, My younger cousins and I watched all...8 seasons. The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles are...Awesome! I started watching the series when I went away to college. I love...3 of the films equally too. The original (90), TMNT (07), and now...Turtles Forever! I cannot wait to see how the next...TMNT film (2012) is.
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post #21 of 28
9/16/10 at 11:22pm
Yep. Love this movie. It's really well written and full of nostalgia. And I have to admit that the whole brief cameo of the original shredder and the garbage throwing gag made me laugh. I kinda wish that TMNT Casey Jones got to meet the absolutely psychotic B&W Casey Jones. Also dug the cameos of the retarded Tokka and Razar and love that they were dispatched in all of 10 seconds.

And as much as I prefered the comics over the cartoon series when I was a kid, this movie sort of made me appreciate the cartoon more. It was just silly goofy 80's fun geared at selling toys to kids.


I would totally tune in and watch a 'turtles prime' animated series.
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post #22 of 28
9/17/10 at 8:28am
They go overboard in making the 80's Turtles silly at first (in part because they don't distinguish between the characters - Leonardo cracking jokes does not happen often in the original series), but it settles down a bit, and there are some great jokes. I'm digging this.
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post #23 of 28
9/10/11 at 9:40pm

Turtles Forever was actually pretty hilarious.  80s Turtles were so cute.  It really is too bad that they couldn't get the original voices back for it.  UNCLE PHIL!!!!

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post #24 of 28
9/11/11 at 6:42am

mcnooj82, The cameo with...80's April O'Neill was...Awe-Inspiring and All Kinds Of Awesome, and it was...Hilarious to see April chased by a...Mutant Banana!  Original "The Shredder" along with Krang was very cool. Bebop and Rocksteady proved to be the toadies they were by leaving their Shredders side, for their new Ultrom Shredder! Shredder from the 2000's era TMNT, was properly...EEEEEEEEEvil, without being fun, cunning and over the top.  I would have liked to see more of 80's April, and the rest of the...Channel 6 News Team as well!  Cowabunga...Turtles Forever was a...Shell of a good time!

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post #25 of 28
9/11/11 at 7:01am
700

Something I drew this morning. Now guess which Turtle it is? (FYI: There was a point when they all wore red masks)
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post #26 of 28
9/11/11 at 7:23am

"What's with the yellow jumpsuit? Do you work in a car wash in this dimension?"

 

All the FB talk about this thing, I had to check this out. It really is pretty damned good. Struck just the right tone of love and derision at the original cartoon. The 4th wall stuff with Han was perfect. And as was said before, I'd watch a Turtles Prime cartoon in a heartbeat.

 

"Sellouts."

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post #27 of 28
9/11/11 at 11:30am

The 80s Turtles' reliance on hurling garbage cans CRACKED ME UP.

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post #28 of 28
9/11/11 at 11:58am

It was hilarious in principle, but the fact that it ACTUALLY WORKED on Shredder Prime had me dying.

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