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Fringe season 3

post #1 of 628
9/17/10 at 10:13pm
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Alternate Universe will play a major part in this season.





From EW
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The life-changing knowledge Peter now has about his own origins will send him on a quest to learn more—a mission that will eventually pay off at season’s end. “He’s going to start putting together a really nice-sized jigsaw puzzle,” says Wyman, “that will be eventful at the end of the season.”
Sounds awesome.
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post #2 of 628
9/17/10 at 10:14pm
Those promo shots are terrible.
I'm excited about the show though.
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post #3 of 628
9/17/10 at 10:56pm
facebook's Fringe page has already posted a review of the first episode. but damn if I'm going to read it or link to it. Find it yourselves spoilery can'twaiters.
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post #4 of 628
9/18/10 at 12:43am
Absolutely excited to the max about the new season.
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post #5 of 628
9/18/10 at 1:00am
So excited, those promos are terrible. Could they not get the entire cast together at once? Do they have High-def 3D scans and just animate their bodies in a computer? Terrible photos.
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post #6 of 628
9/18/10 at 5:19am
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Did you notice the observer?
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post #7 of 628
9/18/10 at 5:33am
And Alt-livia and Walternate.

And for some reason, Olivia really doesn't look like herself in the second photo. Photoshop or airbrushing?
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post #8 of 628
9/18/10 at 11:38am
Super excited for this to return. I just hope they don't fall into their usual pattern of doing two really great eps in the beginning and end and a string of shit in the middle.
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post #9 of 628
9/18/10 at 3:35pm
I like that the Observer is observing promo photos for his own show.
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post #10 of 628
9/18/10 at 6:02pm
Despite my displeasure with the season 2 finale, I'm super excited about the new season.
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post #11 of 628
9/18/10 at 6:19pm
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Originally Posted by E.T.C. View Post
Despite my displeasure with the season 2 finale, I'm super excited about the new season.
They showed us a kick ass alt world and sent B-Olivia to our side. What's not to love?
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post #12 of 628
9/18/10 at 8:56pm
Hopefully there's less filler than the last 2 seasons, cause it's great when they're doing mythology episodes, but bad as hell when not, unlike Supernatural and others shows that manage to.

Fringe's problem is that it thinks it's super intelligent when it's not. And hopefully they'll stop wasting Lance Reddick like they did before.
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post #13 of 628
9/18/10 at 8:59pm
And io9 reviewed the first 2 episodes.

Not a good review (do these idiots ever do one?) when the idiot who does it now compares Fringe to Twin Peaks and The Wire....
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post #14 of 628
9/18/10 at 9:00pm
The structure of the season is going to be one episode over here, one over there, rinse and repeat for a while.

Unless they're really bad at it, that's going to force them to focus on the mythology of the series.
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post #15 of 628
9/18/10 at 9:01pm
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Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
And io9 reviewed the first 2 episodes.

Not a good review (do these idiots ever do one?) when the idiot who does it now compares Fringe to Twin Peaks and The Wire....
Is the comparison to The Wire because they happen to share an actor?
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post #16 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:30pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel View Post
They showed us a kick ass alt world and sent B-Olivia to our side. What's not to love?
I really didn't like how they got rid of William Bell. We were just starting to get to know that character and then they went and offed him. I just felt like his story got the shaft. And there were unanswered questions regarding him that now we'll probably never get to know.

And the second I saw B-Olivia I knew there was going to be a switcheroo at the end and I hate when such an incredibly obvious plotline is telegraphed from the very beginning. It sort of deflated any kind of tension for the episode. At least it did for me.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode, but those things made me like it a lot less than other people did.
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post #17 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:34pm
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Originally Posted by E.T.C. View Post

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the episode, but those things made me like it a lot less than other people did.
Read the quote from post #1 (and search for the entire news). It suggests we will know further regarding Bell and Walter.
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post #18 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by E.T.C. View Post
And the second I saw B-Olivia I knew there was going to be a switcheroo at the end and I hate when such an incredibly obvious plotline is telegraphed from the very beginning. It sort of deflated any kind of tension for the episode. At least it did for me.
While such things aren't unknown in stories that have twins or clones or whatever, is it really accurate to say it was obvious just by seeing her?

We know about Walternate, but he wasn't switched. It's not something that always happens.
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post #19 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:38pm
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Originally Posted by E.T.C. View Post
I really didn't like how they got rid of William Bell. We were just starting to get to know that character and then they went and offed him. I just felt like his story got the shaft. And there were unanswered questions regarding him that now we'll probably never get to know.
second things first. We never saw Bell die.

Nemoy wanted to retire from acting so he put them in a bind. He agreed to do the finale because they really needed it.

They will try and get him back.
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post #20 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:43pm
Really? I thought he got ripped apart at the molecular level to get them home. How's he coming back from that?
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post #21 of 628
9/18/10 at 10:56pm
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While such things aren't unknown in stories that have twins or clones or whatever, is it really accurate to say it was obvious just by seeing her?

We know about Walternate, but he wasn't switched. It's not something that always happens.
It never would have worked with the Walter's switching. Walternate never would have gone over to the other side by himself. It would have ruined his plans. He needed to stay put and run the operation.

And yeah, for me it was obvious that's the way they were gonna go with the Olivias. I knew exactly where they were going and that'w where they went.
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post #22 of 628
9/18/10 at 11:00pm
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Really? I thought he got ripped apart at the molecular level to get them home. How's he coming back from that?
It's Fringe for crying out loud! They've got people teleporting and traveling through dimensions. They could reconstitute his molecules with like a Quantum Confabulating Cohesinator and BOOM! He's back!
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post #23 of 628
9/18/10 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by E.T.C. View Post
It's Fringe for crying out loud! They've got people teleporting and traveling through dimensions. They could reconstitute his molecules with like a Quantum Confabulating Cohesinator and BOOM! He's back!
Missed opportunity to add...

Walter- Oh! I worked on a "Instant Re-arrange" machine in the late 70's somebody must have stolen my notes on that. I remember it worked with frozen berries yogurt.
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post #24 of 628
9/19/10 at 12:18am
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The structure of the season is going to be one episode over here, one over there, rinse and repeat for a while.

Unless they're really bad at it, that's going to force them to focus on the mythology of the series.
It hasn't worked for two seasons. The middle episodes are always a drag.
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post #25 of 628
9/20/10 at 11:01am
Having just finished Season 2, I wanted to pop in a say a few things about the upcoming season. I really wish the show could find some balance between character and plot. I'm always finding myself interested in the plot of most of the episodes, but besides Walter and Peter I can't make myself give a shit about anyone else. Seeing how on Lost they made me care about characters even as trivial as Lapidus and Penny, I find this pretty distressing.

I think my main point of concern is the forward progression of the show's mythology. I know the suits think network tv audiences hate serialized shows (in actuality they hate BAD serialized shows), but there has to be a better balance struck. I think Diva said it best in the Season 2 thread:

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I wish the writers were good enough to be able to weave bits and pieces of character development and mythology in the same episode. Even when Lost is't about the mythology, it is.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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post #26 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:20pm
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Regarding myth and character development, they shot in a leg making Olivia a sad girl after the lost of her boyfriend. That thread went nowhere (I know the guy is in another show).
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post #27 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:23pm
One show that comes to mind when I think of a good balance of metaplot and standalone episodes is Burn Notice.

Fringe is like a person with bi-polar disorder. It's either AWESOME or FUCK THIS SUCKS.

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Is the comparison to The Wire because they happen to share an actor?
No. It was about "quality". Fuck that site.
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post #28 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:30pm
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One show that comes to mind when I think of a good balance of metaplot and standalone episodes is Burn Notice.

Fringe is like a person with bi-polar disorder. It's either AWESOME or FUCK THIS SUCKS.



No. It was about "quality". Fuck that site.
Agree with the Burn Notice observation. Even though I dropped the show after Season 2 (I simply can't handle the breezy, light USA Network brand anymore) the show did a fairly good job balancing plot/character episodes.

I think the pinnacle of MOW episodes with mythology began and ended with Buffy. That show could have a basic by the numbers MOW episode, but litter it with some great character forward progression.

/end Whedon felatio.
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post #29 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:33pm
Supernatural perfected it, really. I think it might the best at juggling metaplot, MoW and character development.
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post #30 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:37pm
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Supernatural perfected it, really. I think it might the best at juggling metaplot, MoW and character development.
Supernatural has gotten really good at that balance...especially in later seasons. The writers over at Fringe should really take a field trip over the to the Supernatural writers' room.
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post #31 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:39pm
Yeah. Supernatural was ok in the first season, but by season 2 it just kept getting better and better. I really tried to hate that show as a dumb Buffy knockoff, but it's so much fun and well made that it became a favorite of mine.
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post #32 of 628
9/20/10 at 12:48pm
Once Supernatural really formed it's own identity, and stopped trying to cater to the One Tree Hill/Dawson's Creek crowd it really became a good show.

Fringe is beginning to find the same identity, but the show still has a ways to go. I'm sure there's pressure from Fox for the show to be the sci-fi Bones or House, but it needs to be more than a sci-fi procedural.
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post #33 of 628
9/20/10 at 2:04pm
Just posting to get re-subscribed to this thread. Fringe isn't generally the first thing I watch on the night it airs but it's generally pretty enjoyable. I'm definitely interested to see where it goes this season though.
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post #34 of 628
9/20/10 at 5:48pm
It wavers from 'Must Watch' to 'eh, I will watch it on the DVR later.' I love the characters, but sometimes the story is taking its sweet time.
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post #35 of 628
9/21/10 at 2:08pm
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It wavers from 'Must Watch' to 'eh, I will watch it on the DVR later.' I love the characters, but sometimes the story is taking its sweet time.
I feel the same way. Hoping season 3 they finally cut those middling middle of the season episodes down to none. I really enjoyed the finale episodes last year, to the point where I rewatched them which I NEVER do with Fringe episodes (well, I rewatched the 80s flashback episode with the retro credits too). Hell, I think I still have the finale eps on my dvr.
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post #36 of 628
9/23/10 at 4:26am
Saw it this afternoon. It's cool. Kinda.
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post #37 of 628
9/23/10 at 5:00pm
Well, the exec producers have confirmed there will be standalone episodes this year as they continue to try and pull in new viewers. Their claim is that these "mythalone" eps will have threads of the larger mythology running throughout. We'll see. Excited for the opener. Wonder how Bad Olivia will explain the neck tattoo?
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post #38 of 628
9/23/10 at 5:04pm
You'd think they'd be aware enough to know that their stand alones have been drastically inferior in quality to the mythology heavy eps. I guess they don't give a shit.
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post #39 of 628
9/23/10 at 7:33pm
They may be drastically inferior in quality, but not in ratings I bet. Also they're the episodes that allow syndication and reruns, which is where all the molla is at.

Actually I wouldn't even say they're inferior in quality, they're just as well made. But they also not as interesting, important, or rich as the core myth, but this is far more relevant to the core viewers, geeks like us.

Also I didn't think Fringe and to a lesser extent Supernatural mixed episodic and serialized formats particularly better than past shows. Its just their monster of the week episodes tend to be interesting so we let it slide. This is especially true of Supernatural, after the first two seasons, the MOW episodes have been consistently fun. But the formate in which these shows mix long arcs with the smaller stories is no different than say, Veronica Mars. Buffy does it the best imo.
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post #40 of 628
9/23/10 at 10:18pm
Bubbles! Would be great if The Wire alums started showing up.
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post #41 of 628
9/23/10 at 11:59pm
I'd be happy with Bubs as a semi-regular. Nice to see more Charlie as well. I wonder if this is gonna be a one-and-done thing with the parallel universe, or if the show will be bouncing back and forth all season. Not sure which I prefer at this point, I'm just happy to be back with these characters (something I thought I'd never say after the mediocre first season).
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post #42 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:14am
I imagine they'll be bumping back and forth. It makes the most sense as this episode more or less just served as a re-introduction to Olivia's situation in the parallel universe.

As far as the standalone eps go, I recall reading an interview with Kurtzman and Orci and they seemed to be much more interested in producing standalones than dealing with the overarcing mythology. They had originally planned to slowly introduce the parallel universe throughout the course of three or four seasons. We're only this far along because they realized at the rate they were going, no one would be watching when they finally got around to it.
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post #43 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:18am
Well the situation they are at would require they force more on the long term arc.

And i really liked the episode. Maybe because we had very little Peter. And we got both versions of charismatic Olivia!
Needed more Walter though.

Jesus that burned makeup!
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post #44 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:22am
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Originally Posted by neoolong View Post
The structure of the season is going to be one episode over here, one over there, rinse and repeat for a while.

Unless they're really bad at it, that's going to force them to focus on the mythology of the series.
Does everyone have me on ignore?

The source.

I like how Kirk Acevedo is just back on this show. Did they actually fire him? Did they come up with the heavy alternate universe stuff and decide to bring him back? Or did they actually plan and manage to keep quiet that he was just going to be gone for a while?
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post #45 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:27am
Really good start. That sounds like a plan neoolong.
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post #46 of 628
9/24/10 at 2:11am
So, Walternate and evil version of Massive Dynamic Tech-geek: If you've just overwritten Olivia's memories with your Olivia's memories and convinced her that any residual memories of our universe are part of a psychotic break she had as a result of a head injury, how is it that she's supposed to help you figure out how she was able to cross over?
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post #47 of 628
9/24/10 at 2:32am
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Maybe because we had very little Peter.
I dunno about that, only because the show doesn't feel like Fringe without all 3 of them.
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post #48 of 628
9/24/10 at 5:33am
I noticed one paticular shot, an establishing shot of the Fringe Division Unit which is the Vancouver Library. That's funny as it is, but you can CLEARLY see the Circus parked on the street. There's even a cable truck in plain view.
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post #49 of 628
9/24/10 at 7:26am
Great start to the season. Cant wait to see where this goes!
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post #50 of 628
9/24/10 at 9:06am
I enjoyed it for at least making our Olivia seem to be completely gone to us now. I just hope Peter figures out the OWOlivia next episode. I don't want them to drag it out.
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