Fringe season 3 - Page 3

Not only that, but it appears from the last scene that her mission is to subvert Peter and Walter into doing their dirty work for them. They seem to be playing P&W into completing the doomsday device on our side.

Plus, Peter's from her side. Liking him wouldn't compromise her at all. I'm sure Walternate's plan includes Peter being brought back to him. Fauxlivia falling for him would be fine with him, if not encouraged.

Of course, Fringe does something really interesting and ballsy like this... and their ratings slip. Gad, I wish this show was on cable.

The gang going into Massive Dynamic reminds me of Angel S5 with W&H.

As long as that doesn't mean Astrid will get her soul destroyed and replaced by a demon, I'm okay with that.

Another very good episode. This season is phenomenal so far. And solving normal cases but on the other side? Astounding.

The cast must be having a blast playing two different roles. "i'm still a scientist. Only with a much larger laboratory" has to be the line of the episode.

I was really hoping for a Probability Math-off between Astrid and computerhead man.. but I will say I was entertained with what we got.

Great episode last night. I think its now obvious that the memory exchange hasnt completely worked and real-Olivia is still in there.

Absolutely agreed.

I kind of hated this episode. Why do the writers insist on using the memorization of pi as a measure of intelligence? And it seems like there was so much cool world building going on in the alternate universe, like the quarantine zones and the civil unrest regarding the people trapped in the amber, but for some reason the show is focusing on stupid things like how pens don't exist. Why do a monster of the week ep in the alternate universe if you aren't really going to explore it?

Griping aside, with the exception of alt-Astrid, I like the Fringe team. Lincoln Lee is sort of a badass and I'm glad Charlie is back, even if its temporary.

Loved this episode. That teaser was one of the best things I've seen on TV.

Reminded me a lot of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP59tQf_njc

I have to agree that the alt-Fringe team is pretty likeable. I applaud the show for going that route instead of portraying them as villains despite being the ones who have been assaulted by our universe.

In regards to the Pi thing, it's just shorthand that most people can understand. He's quickly doing a long calculation in his head while also apparently calculating derivatives or some such at the same time.

I've never seen Seth Gabel in anything before, but yeah, Lincoln Lee is great. He's got a kind of... I dunno... young Ryan Phillippe thing going on. Whatever, I like the character a lot. Definitely well played by the writers making the alt-Fringe gang likable.

The big problem with this season though... the alt universe is so awesome that our universe is comparatively very very bland. I want to stay in the alt uni forever. Everything about it is great.

I agree. I like the other team much better.

And Seth Gabel was the best part of the defunct show Dirty Sexy Money

Another stellar episode. I'm thrilled with the direction of the show this season. Great way to integrate the two universes and stretch the storyline and characters.

While I like Lee and Charlie also, I'm a big fan of Walter and Peter working with Olivia so I'll be pleased when things return to normal. Besides, I've got a feeling that Charlie will either die in the episode when Olivia returns or...come back with her. We don't know if alt-Charlie has a wife like ours did and we have a permanent "cure" for the worms problem. Even if he stays behind our Olivia misses good ol' C so I can see him popping back up in the future.

As for Lee, I think it's now pretty obvious that post this storyline our Lincoln Lee will show up on the show since he's becoming a fan favorite. Maybe he becomes a romantic foil between her and Peter?

While I like Lincoln, I wouldn't want a version of him to be a romantic foil between Olivia and Peter. Part of the reason he came back, presumably, was because of Olivia and the revelation that she has feelings for him.

Throwing another guy in the mix after that so soon would make her really flighty.

An aspect the show might take us : Inter universe breeding. Maybe Olivia and Peter 2 seasons from now? Sooner?

Lee, I don't like so much. But Olivia and Charlie have great chemistry together. When she eventually escapes I hope he makes it over here.

After watching this latest ep, I'm definitely sensing a deliberate parallel lives thing going on here. In universe-A, Olive is slowly coming to like her Fringe teammates because, well, they're awesome. And in universe-B, Olivia is being forced to become one of them through coersion and science. In universe-A, Walter is now in charge of Massive Dynamic a very large tool at his disposal. In universe-B, the Walternate is a cautionary tale of what happens when Walter gains enormous power and resources. This is potentially great stuff and my fingers are crossed that this will be fun and surprising.

I think the way they bridged the 2 storylines by having Olivia subvert what computerhead guy had predicted was pretty fucking brilliant.

Can safely say that this season is the first time I've REALLY enjoyed Fringe as anything other than a guilty pleasure. Hopefully the show continues in this direction and doesn't revert back to being the quasi-X-Files.

Totally fun episode. I didn't like the 24-esque picture in a picture thing to show the guy predicting how events would happen, and the fact that he used a ball point pen to recreate the exact same accident. Maybe he should have predicted that replicating an unusual accident makes it seem less like an accident. I agree with others that Olivia catching him because she didn't know the protocol was a pretty clever way to have her catch him.

Am I the only person who thought it bizarre that Broyles was strutting around Fringe Division in tight black tee-shirts? Doesn't really seem like appropriate office attire, though I appreciate the show highlighting his excellent physique. I also found it unrealistic that Fauxlivia's boyfriend wouldn't try to kiss Olivia goodbye considering he's leaving for several months (how convenient). It just stuck me as odd that they haven't shown any romantic involvement in the alt-world, yet they have Fauxlivia jumping down Peter's pants any time she needs a distraction. As someone above mentioned, I did start thinking about what would happen if a cross universe
relationship resulted in pregnancy. Probably nothing. For all intents and purposes, they are the same people.


No way, they don't have Kooky Walter. But they have to bring Charlie back. He's great.

I hope they fucking run full speed ahead with the whole 'Walter owns MD' angle now. A mad scientist with his own multinational super hi-tech company is too juicy a prospect to have him just wave it away and turn everything over to Nina.

How is that going to work? Isn't Walter still not legally deemed competent or something? That's why he was comitted to an asylum and not sent to jail.

Peter is his legal guardian, right?

That might give the shareholders right to try oust him, but until then he's boss.

While a proxy fight is expensive and usually fail, I would imagine it would be quite a bit easier to win when the other guy is mentally insane.

There are no shareholders. I thought they said MD was privately owned 100% by Bell and thus now privately owned 100% by Walter?

you're 100% right. Though Nina might not be pleased.

Ugh. I kind of hated just about everything about computerheadguy. Stop beating us over the head about how his amazing mathematical brain allows him to calculate probabilities when just about everything he did had to do with seeing the future, not seeing probabilities. It just pulled me way too far out of the episode. I just didn't find it brilliant that he used probability to drag the agents through a construction area where there were so many variables (how fast can Olivia run? Will there be a forklift there? What will it's load be at that moment?) that even having a computerhead there wouldn't be any reasonable conclusion you could draw.

I gotta agree with that. I just didn't get why his accidents were so convoluted. Or how he could get a ballpoint pen to stand straight up on top of a rounded mail box. Or how he could survive jumping off a building onto a moving truck and not get hurt (yes, his timing could be predicted, but he' still just an ordinary Joe physically). There were too many fantastical elements surrounding computerhead's actions that I couldn't really buy into the story fully.

There's actually a school of thought that every single event in reality is entirely mathematically predictable. That there is no such thing as chance or luck and that every little thing we do is written in stone by the same fundamental laws that allow science to predict how long an object takes to fall to earth or how long it takes for the earth to rotate around the sun.

Whether you believe that or not (clearly you do not), you can't disprove it, which makes it perfectly suited for a science fiction show.

Dramatic effect.

A bridge, right? We've seen that move in TV and movies before, and this guy had the advantage of calculating when and how to jump to minimize injury.

The saying is something like: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

That's essentially what this guy's brain was. Fringe has already shown us people who can control minds, create fire and move between realities with their mind, it's odd to me that people would have a problem with this.

That's precisely why. He wasn't magical or supernatural. He was an ordinary guy who had a suped up brain. Yet, they were presenting him as having the ability to do things that didn't seem in line with what a normal person can do. In pretty much every scene other than the "accident" set-ups, he's shown having poor motor skills. now, you expect me to believe he can outrun a trained FBI agent and perform stunts that would injure non-trained individuals? It's one thing to sit in a room and talk to a computer. I don't buy that his brain can magically improve his physical body and how it functions.

In any case, these gripes didn't kill the ep. It was quite enjoyable on the whole. But computerhead does not make for a really compelling story compared to shape-shifters and cross-universal shenanigans.

well the move into Massive Dynamic was rather quick. I miss the cow.

I do hope we don't get any more of B-Olivia frowning everytime her cover is almost blown. Guess we gotta wait until November for new eps. Gah!

Yeah, no new episodes til november 4th because of mlb playoffs on Fox. Thought last night's episode was great...but I screamed at the tv "NOOOOOOOO!!!!! THIS IS ALL WRONG!" at the end when Peter and Evilivia started hooking up.

It had to be obvious that she didn't chase after him though, right? I mean, she spent a grand total of 5 more seconds out looking.

You say evil, I say that when Olivia comes back and the truth is revealed it'll be awkward for about five seconds. Then Peter is going to suggest a threeway, jokingly at first, to see if they'd go with it, but then serious when the twins don't seem too perturbed.

It's not incestous if you're only alternate dimension twins.

Altlivia may think that by using her female charms she can distract him but she's made a mistake. Even regular women cannot expose themselves to Pacey's sexual magic without it being a life altering experience. She's about to get her cover blown. In a lot of ways. Some literal, others metaphorical.

Seriously though, they have to finish with this plot. It's starting to annoy me.

I know I'm a few episodes late, but seeing Eric The Midget's head explode was awesome. I just happened to remember that he was on that particular evening, and as luck would have it, I turned on the show right before it happened.

Why isn't anyone concerned about the mole that got the shapeshifter assassin to break into Massive Dynamic about an hour after the body arrived? One would think that that would be a priority. That is, if one didn't already have a suspect.

Sad to see Sebastian Roschee go. He was pretty great.

Pacey has a way with women for sure.

On that note, maybe they should have gotten James Van Der Beek to play Lincoln Lee.

Pacey, uh Peter knows. Thats my take anyway.

So, his thinking is 'I'd better fuck her or she'll know I know'?

Pretty much, and why not? Heh. I have deeper thoughts sometimes, but not tonight.

Exactly. I know the Fringe team is personally connected to the case so their emotions may be clouding their judgment, but this is standard deductive reasoning. If no one but your team knows that a suspect, or in this case a body, is at a certain location and the bad guys show up looking for it - there's a mole in your midst.

Also, how the hell are shapeshifters staying in the same body for 2 years or more? Season 1 pretty explicitly set the ground rules that the bodies shapeshifters take on are temporary and they decompose pretty badly if one stays in it too long. I mean, we joked all last season about Charlie and his diarrhea face.

And who was that random FBI agent with Walter when he first started the autopsy? It was really bizarre to see someone other than Astrid with Walter and there was no explanation at all for why she was there.

That said, I'm enjoying Universe-A episodes much more than Universe-B. You just can't top Walter and his crazy LSD riddled fun. The will-she-won't she tension of Fauxlivia giving it up to Peter was interesting at first, but quickly became tiresome. I'm happy they concluded it. Though the heavy-handed text of this episode pretty much gives away how all this will end. Fauxlivia will become emotionally attached to Peter and it will end up compromising her mission far more than is she hadn't. Newton gave bad advice.

Sad to find out we won't have any new episodes until November. But 2 weeks is hardly that long of a wait.

I thought that fbi agent was the same one they tried to introduce the first episodes of season 2. When they attempted that mini retcon of the show and had slightly different dynamics. Luckily they moved away from that pretty quickly.

They couldn't get Meghan Markle back for that? Ha, I guess Special Agent Amy Jessup really got put on the bus to Mandyville.

Say it with me, Fall Sweeps Threesome!!!

First, I don't think the team were the only people to know that the body was in MD, there were other people there that plausibly knew that was happening, including Mrs Van Horn.

Second, didn't Faux Charlie have a damaged mouth thingy (its scientific name)? Or something like that. Either way, that can be explained by him being a defective unit or shapeshifter 1.0 or something.

This show is on fire right now, but its doing a diservice to Pacey, that conversation he had with fake Olivia was off. Either he knows, and is dumb enough to let a killer know about it, or doesn't, even though he verbally states the case for why he should. Hopefully that'll be cleared up next week.

I don't think other people did know. Broyles took Fauxlivia to task for questioning Mrs. Van Horn's character when she suggested she would blab to the press.

The damaged mouth thing meant that he couldn't shape shift out of the body. Not that he wanted too; he needed to be Charlie to keep his cover. But it was the prolonged exposure to the body that was causing his illness.

And totally agreed that Pacey looks the chump right now. He's smarter than they are currently portraying him.

Edit: From Fringepedia:

Yeah, they could be playing this out as a trap set by Peter for Evil Olive. Or it could be really sloppy.

About Newton's death: All that time and energy spent getting the Senator's memory chip and now he gives up his own chip, or did that suicide wafer erase his memories too? So aggravating.

I imagine that the wafer wiped his hard drive. Total reformat, because they're machines.

Otherwise, there really wasn't a point. I doubt Newton would have talked, though they could have forcibly extracted his chip. This way, they get nothing.