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post #51 of 628
9/24/10 at 10:36am
Once again, I will likely demonstrate my poor taste and say I have liked Peter since the first episode. I find him to be the perfect levels of confident, yet still an "everyman".

The episode was fine to me. I don't really pick this show apart like most of the rest of you. I enjoy the cast and the mystery of it. As a fan of the show though, I am bummed because I expect this will be it's last season. I hope I am eating my words come May.
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post #52 of 628
9/24/10 at 11:54am
Anyone want to talk about the Easter Eggs in this episode? I'll pick an easy one...

"Dogs: The Hit Broadway Musical"
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post #53 of 628
9/24/10 at 11:55am
I kinda hated that one actually. Way too obvious.
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post #54 of 628
9/24/10 at 12:02pm
Shexxon = Shell + Exxon?
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post #55 of 628
9/24/10 at 12:08pm
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Anyone want to talk about the Easter Eggs in this episode? I'll pick an easy one...
Tom Cruise is a TV star as well.
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post #56 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:37pm
A Kennedy is president. John F Kennedy or another one?
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post #57 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:41pm
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A Kennedy is president. John F Kennedy or another one?
Obama is President. JFK is still alive and taking a post in his administration.
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post #58 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:41pm
An obvious one, but there are already passenger flights to the moon
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post #59 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:44pm
Martin Luther King Eldrige Cleaver Memorial Park
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post #60 of 628
9/24/10 at 1:52pm
I thought it was a good charactar-centric episode, with a little action thrown in to boot. And I thought there was a minor chance Olivia realized her only way out would be to cooperate with these guys, and she'd fake losing her memories, but the Mom scene kinda makes me think she might well be converted.
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post #61 of 628
9/24/10 at 4:44pm
Jacob, I think it might be a mixture of the two. It was obvious the imprinting was taking affect over time in the episode, and I think she might just have both her and Bolivia's memories. I think she did realize the only way to escape is to cooperate with them.
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post #62 of 628
9/24/10 at 4:47pm
Would be kinda freaky if Walter finds out what happened and does the same to alternate-Olivia to give her our Olivia's memories, meaning there's no need for any universe hopping.
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post #63 of 628
9/24/10 at 4:54pm
5.82 million for the kickoff episode, about the average for last season's eps. A smaller Bones lead-in didn't help matters either. I'm wondering if Fringe has hit it's ratings plateau.

Or...Justin Beiber's appearance on CSI, which drew huge female teen numbers and 14.5 mil overall, combined with The Office and Outsourced (8.39 and 7.43 mil) just gave Fringe no chance to draw in new viewers. We'll have to see if DVR numbers make any significant difference in the final tally.
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post #64 of 628
9/24/10 at 5:14pm
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Jacob, I think it might be a mixture of the two. It was obvious the imprinting was taking affect over time in the episode, and I think she might just have both her and Bolivia's memories. I think she did realize the only way to escape is to cooperate with them.
I definitely think that it was a combination of the two. The imprinting was taking effect, along with her realizing that the only way she could escape would be to work with them while she figures out a way to get back to the non-alteruniverse.
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post #65 of 628
9/24/10 at 7:16pm
I thought it was a strong opener, especially since it threw you right into the mythology. Not a lot of preface for a novice viewer but a real continuation for the fanbase. Glad to see Bubbles back on TV. That last cab scene seemed to foreshadow him appearing more often.

Also, look on the bright side, when she comes back to our world Olivia will be one helluva shot. I bet that alt-Nina Sharpe is who ends up helping Olivia get back. And why doesn't Olivia just mind-power herself back? Is it because she needs other Cortexophan kids to do it with her?

One question, the burned guy. Is he in our universe? I don't remember the character from our side.
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post #66 of 628
9/24/10 at 7:50pm
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One question, the burned guy. Is he in our universe? I don't remember the character from our side.
Lincoln Lee hasn't been seen in our universe yet.
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post #67 of 628
9/24/10 at 8:00pm
What that doesn't say is that he recognized Nick Lane before he shot him. What that means is anyone's guess.
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post #68 of 628
9/24/10 at 8:03pm
Yes it does. It's under "Unanswered Questions."
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post #69 of 628
9/24/10 at 8:08pm
Oh, oops, my bad.
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post #70 of 628
9/24/10 at 9:59pm
A couple of things about this episode are keeping at arm's length. The big thing is that I don't really care about any of the alt-characters. The only thing about the alt-dimension is that Olivia's trapped and losing her sense of self. That's an interesting place for the character to be. The other thing that I'm sratching my head over is-- what happened to all that sick shape-shifting tech? Shouldn't that be something they expand upon or reference somehow?
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post #71 of 628
9/25/10 at 5:15am
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A couple of things about this episode are keeping at arm's length. The big thing is that I don't really care about any of the alt-characters. The only thing about the alt-dimension is that Olivia's trapped and losing her sense of self. That's an interesting place for the character to be.
Yeah, me too. I really hope they deal with this switched Olivias plot very soon. On some level it's too close to a soap opera 'evil twin' twist for me.
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post #72 of 628
9/26/10 at 3:26pm
Okay episode. I miss our Walter and Peter. I hope Bubs stays around awhile.

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The other thing that I'm sratching my head over is-- what happened to all that sick shape-shifting tech? Shouldn't that be something they expand upon or reference somehow?
This. Walternate wants Olivia so he can find out our universes technology. So who was sending all the shapeshifters? Bell? If so, why? I'm spacing on all the details from last year.

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Bell says that he only came to This Side to prevent the war and he created the shape shifters in order to stay close to Walternate.Yet Walter retorts that Bell is only benefiting himself by fueling the war and founding Massive Dynamic.
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Walter gets the device to turn on, but Olivia doesn't have enough power to keep the "doorstop" open. Bell says that he will be the power source. He explains that he has crossed over so many times that his atoms are ready to split apart at the slightest provocation. Walter realizes the gravity of Bell's offer, and says, "Thank you, old friend." Bell finally confesses that he removed parts of Walter's brain because Walter asked him to. Walter was afraid of what he was becoming.
If Bolivia is with the Fringe team in the Opera House, how can she power the doorstop? Bell and Walter couldn't have run experiments on her because Bell died young in a car accident.
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post #73 of 628
9/26/10 at 3:56pm
Yeah, I feel as though Fringe really plays it loose with the science-fiction within its universe. I know Lost did too, but it felt like the vast majority of it was in service of the themes and the character development. I know Fringe is a lot more fantastical in some ways. but it seems as if they do stuff because it's cool first and foremost, with other thematic considerations running a slow second. I dunno could be wrong. This is only the beginning of the 3rd season and to belabor the comparison, Lost wasn't exactly making new friends at this point in its life.
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post #74 of 628
9/27/10 at 12:33am
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Also, look on the bright side, when she comes back to our world Olivia will be one helluva shot. I bet that alt-Nina Sharpe is who ends up helping Olivia get back.
I thought something similar.

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If Bolivia is with the Fringe team in the Opera House, how can she power the doorstop? Bell and Walter couldn't have run experiments on her because Bell died young in a car accident.
You are right. This is really weird.
BTW, when did we find out about the car accident?
I don't know the budget for this show but it looked really good.
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post #75 of 628
9/27/10 at 12:44am
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If Bolivia is with the Fringe team in the Opera House, how can she power the doorstop? Bell and Walter couldn't have run experiments on her because Bell died young in a car accident.
It's been awhile, but isn't that the reason Bell had to power up the transfer? It might be another clue to our boys that Bolivia is not out Olivia.
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post #76 of 628
9/27/10 at 1:37am
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I don't know the budget for this show but it looked really good.

Not sure but whatever budget they do have, they spend it well. That episode that took place in '85 was kind of mindblowing with the quality of the special effects used there. The de-aging effects were perfect.
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post #77 of 628
9/28/10 at 1:31pm
So, I wonder will the disappearing Zeppelin end up on our side or did it just go bye-bye?
I was expecting it to pop into the scene where they showed the same shot of the sky on our side.

I was glad to see Bubbles. Fun that he keeps popping up on genre shows... Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles, Heroes, and now this. Last time I saw him he was diving into a vortex that he created on Heroes, so it's cool that he ends up in an alternate dimension on this show!
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post #78 of 628
9/28/10 at 1:47pm
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So, I wonder will the disappearing Zeppelin end up on our side or did it just go bye-bye?
I was expecting it to pop into the scene where they showed the same shot of the sky on our side.

I was glad to see Bubbles. Fun that he keeps popping up on genre shows... Terminator Sarah Connor Chronicles, Heroes, and now this. Last time I saw him he was diving into a vortex that he created on Heroes, so it's cool that he ends up in an alternate dimension on this show!
I believe that the Zeppelin only disappeared as we switched from one universe to the other. Just a fun visual shortcut to let you know we were back in “our” world.
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post #79 of 628
9/28/10 at 2:01pm
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I believe that the Zeppelin only disappeared as we switched from one universe to the other. Just a fun visual shortcut to let you know we were back in “our” world.
Yep.
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post #80 of 628
9/28/10 at 2:20pm
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Last time I saw him he was diving into a vortex that he created on Heroes, so it's cool that he ends up in an alternate dimension on this show!
I like to think that even the fictional characters on Heroes realized how shitty it was and jumped ship whenever possible.
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post #81 of 628
9/28/10 at 2:53pm
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I believe that the Zeppelin only disappeared as we switched from one universe to the other. Just a fun visual shortcut to let you know we were back in “our” world.
Ah, yeah I feel like an idiot now, my friend mentioned that to me a few minutes ago. I wasn't paying close enough attention I guess!
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post #82 of 628
9/30/10 at 10:46am
Eric the Midget, i mean Eric the Actor, guest stars tonight!
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post #83 of 628
9/30/10 at 3:50pm
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You are right. This is really weird.
BTW, when did we find out about the car accident?
Fringepedia:

"Over There, Part 2. [Bell] confessed that he helped Walternate in creating the shape-shifters and the Pulse weapons used by the Fringe Division. He tells Walter that he did not establish a Massive Dynamic in the alternate universe and that his counterpart died in a car accident when he was young. Despite being influential and having a tie to Walternate, he is not recognized by Bolivia and Lincoln Lee."

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It's been awhile, but isn't that the reason Bell had to power up the transfer? It might be another clue to our boys that Bolivia is not out Olivia.
Yes, Bell powered the machine because Bolivia couldn't. But Walter and Bell might just think Olivia didn't have enough power because she was either fatigued and/or had to power more than she did on the way over (the other Cortexiphan kids were killed).
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post #84 of 628
9/30/10 at 10:52pm
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Eric the Midget, i mean Eric the Actor, guest stars tonight!
I love his head exploading.

Did he ever ride te balloons?
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post #85 of 628
9/30/10 at 11:44pm
I really like what they're doing so far this season. Great character work, great mythology expansion, new mysteries and complications. Loved tonight's episode.
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post #86 of 628
10/1/10 at 12:07am
Yeah, really fun episode. Plenty of Walterisms (e.g., trying to find a way to get the cow to produce chocolate milk), and I love that they are nurturing the bond that Walter and Astrid developed last season.

A few comments:

- Newton said he'd been waiting in Universe A since Bolivia was a kid. But how? Universe B didn't have the technology then to send people over.

- It's a small nitpick, but it bugged me... We're really supposed to believe that Walter and Peter's first instinct upon learning the device was auditory wasn't to look for a deaf person? When Bolivia later explained to the audience that that was why he wasn't affected, I groaned. Not gonna lie.
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post #87 of 628
10/1/10 at 3:13am
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- Newton said he'd been waiting in Universe A since Bolivia was a kid. But how? Universe B didn't have the technology then to send people over.
Newton is a shapeshifter, remember? Walternate didn't have the technology to send regular humans over (at least not safely), but the shapeshifters were designed to survive the transfer. And he said he's been here since Olivia was in high school. Olivia's, what, in her late 20s - early 30s? That puts Newton on our side for the past 10-15 years, and Peter was taken in '85. I can believe that Walternate and Bell were able to develop the shapeshifters and the technology to send them over during that time span.
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post #88 of 628
10/1/10 at 9:27am
I've got to say I jumped out of my bed when little man's head exploded. I just wasn't expecting it.

Walter owning MD. Solid move. I just hope if the gang moves into MD's facilities, that the cow gets an elevator ride.
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post #89 of 628
10/1/10 at 9:31am
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I've got to say I jumped out of my bed when little man's head exploded. I just wasn't expecting it.
I was sipping a drink at the time and nearly spluttered it all over my lap.
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post #90 of 628
10/1/10 at 9:59am
I like Sepinwall's idea of calling her Fauxlivia.
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post #91 of 628
10/1/10 at 10:05am
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post #92 of 628
10/1/10 at 1:19pm
I knew Bell left Walter Massive Dynamic. That's the best place for the character to go. Just like when Angel was given Wolfram & Hart. Anyways, great ep. Already we're getting signs that Olive (that's what I'm calling her) is feeling ethically compromised the longer she spends with our awesome heroes. Minus the killing deaf people, of course.
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post #93 of 628
10/1/10 at 1:47pm
I just keep expecting Olivia's sister and niece to show up to provide Olivia2 the same experience as Olivia when she saw her mom. Seems like a good way to speed up the emotional comprimisation.
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post #94 of 628
10/1/10 at 1:53pm
I'm obliged by divine law to like anything with an exploding head. So yeah, that was a good episode.

My wish for them to finish the Fauxlivia (good thinking) plot line as soon as possible remains strong though. There are only so many times they can mine the whole 'She's going to get found out only for her to escape at the last moment' thing for tension. I know my wish won't get answered though.
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post #95 of 628
10/1/10 at 4:00pm
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Newton is a shapeshifter, remember? Walternate didn't have the technology to send regular humans over (at least not safely), but the shapeshifters were designed to survive the transfer. And he said he's been here since Olivia was in high school. Olivia's, what, in her late 20s - early 30s? That puts Newton on our side for the past 10-15 years, and Peter was taken in '85. I can believe that Walternate and Bell were able to develop the shapeshifters and the technology to send them over during that time span.
What? No he's not. Newton's the guy who's head was cryogenically frozen. The shapeshifters were sent to find him and connect his head to his body. I thought the whole reason Walternate kept Olivia was because he doesn't know how to "cross the line" and wants to glean as much info from her as he can about crossing over. Though it does beg the question of Newton and the shiftees setting up the triangulation to bring Walternate over to get Peter. That whole bridge sequence made no sense to me. I think I need to refresh myself on last season. I remember bits and pieces, but not the whole.

Fauxlivia works for me. I used Bolivia because Fringepedia used it, but I didn't look up their reasoning. I have no idea what the B stands for.
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post #96 of 628
10/1/10 at 4:05pm
Universe A. Olivia

Universe B. B-olivia.
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post #97 of 628
10/1/10 at 5:50pm
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What? No he's not. Newton's the guy who's head was cryogenically frozen. The shapeshifters were sent to find him and connect his head to his body.
Yes he is. He's the leader of the shapeshifters, and if you'll remember they put his head and his body in a pool of mercury to make them reconnect. Walternate wants Olivia because she can (apparently) cross back and forth freely and suffer no ill effects, while his only options are sending the shapeshifters to set up the vibrational transfer (as on the bridge, and the buildings in the episode where Olivia's ability to see whether something is from the other side was awakened), which requires a normal human to spend a few weeks in a hyperbaric chamber, or Bell's method, which destabilizes the atoms of whatever goes through.
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post #98 of 628
10/1/10 at 6:12pm
Ok, I will bow to your authority. If its true that Bell created the Shapeshifters, then it makes sense that the other Universe had the technology to send them back and forth as Bell knew how to do so. Though I still have this nagging recollection that Walternate said they didn't have the technology to send people over. Which I guess fits with your comments since Walternate only sent over shapeshifters.
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post #99 of 628
10/2/10 at 3:03pm
Fantastic episode. I love where this season is going.
And no, Bolivia wasn't ethically compromised for trying to save Peter. She knows Peter is key to the other side's Doomsday machine. She was protecting the overall mission.
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post #100 of 628
10/2/10 at 3:12pm
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And no, Bolivia wasn't ethically compromised for trying to save Peter. She knows Peter is key to the other side's Doomsday machine. She was protecting the overall mission.
You may well be right. But I definitely thought they played it a bit as both in the context of the moment, especially when she has to kill the deaf guy.
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