Fringe season 3 - Page 13

The future stuff was entertaining to watch (don't get me wrong), but it had no emotional resonance. Take Olivia's funeral. The treacly music, the camera slowly panning to everyone's reactions... I felt nothing. We don't know these people. We know who they were, and I was happy to be learning who they'd become. But I had no emotional connection them them. None of the events in the future timeline did more than bring a smile to my face (Liv and Peter are married, Astrid finally gets to go in the field, Liv's niece is an agent) or make me realize that sadness was still part of their lives (Liv fretting over having kids, Walter). Yes, those are emotional reactions, but surface level ones. I wanted to be completely lost in these characters lives, but I wasn't... until Peter brought the two worlds together. That's when shit got *real*.

I thought Peter's breakdown at the fridge was rather touching. Probably one of JJackson's more emotional moments.

I wish I felt it.

The fact that we know the series has been renewed definitely took away from the future stuff. It's just that the present events are just so big and audaciously sci-fi that I can't help but love this show. Come on, we have machines that actually create and destroy universes. Not planets, not galaxies. Universes.

I imagine that since they did the Future Credits, that next season will see an occasional Future episode, the same as this one had the other side episodes.

We'll probably eventually think of Future Fringe Division the same way we think of B Universe Fringe Division.

Seriously, wtf is going on with the quote function?

The future has some badass hair straighteners.

I know I typed something in there??

I said the future storyline is dead.  World dying, No Olivia, Walter(probably) going back to dino times to bury the machine, no Peter.   

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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel 

I know I typed something in there??

 

I said the future storyline is dead.  World dying, No Olivia, Walter(probably) going back to dino times to bury the machine, no Peter.   

Right.  That timeline ceased to exist as soon as Peter's consciousness came back to the present.  That was the entire point of that storyline.

Been a fan of this show since the back end of last december finally taking the plunge after hearing lukewarm things about it.

But after renting out the 1st season i fell in love with this show big time and virtually

catching up to you guys(going through each thread per season).

Thought the finale was great just a tad slow and kinda felt out of place knowing

that a reset would come into place just glad it happened at the end.

The merge was an oh shit moment for me thought it was a great move but wonder who

is going to be the big bad for next season? Someone has to come in between everything .

Broyles with a glass eye was cool(eye patch woulda been cooler).

Finale was cool. I dont really think we were meant to get too much resonance from the future timeline, it was just there to set the stakes.

Big Bad next season willl probably have something to do with the skydiving guy in Olivia's mind, though I'm wondering if the writers really know who he'll be or if they just stuck him in there so that later on they could go "see? It was all planned!!"

I enjoyed the finale well enough (and the peter disappearing was a true WTF! moment for me) but it honestly played out as a series ender. I think they wrote it that way in case Fringe didn't get renewed but left themselves enough wiggle room in case they did.  Considering what the writers said in an interview I read post-finale the baby Alt-Olivia and Peter had is kaput as well.  Obviously the Observers removed Peter from the timeline somehow while also maintaining his actions in regards to repairing the rift. They didn't seemed too concerned about any potential universe asundering there at the end.

Which now that I think about it how does time work in both universes?  He'd have to be removed from his original universe's timeline to be unable to effect anything in either universe.  I'm guessing they plucked him out of existence when he was dying in both Universes so Peter in both died as a boy.

Why do you think The Observers erased Peter? The show has said over and over, The Observers don't manipulate events; they observe. And the few times we've seen an Observer manipulate events (action only one Observer has interfered), they were chastised and told by the other Observers to make things right.

Peter willed himself out of existence. I'm not sure how, but he caused the chain reaction. He even says as much before disappearing.

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Why do you think The Observers erased Peter? The show has said over and over, The Observers don't manipulate events; they observe. And the few times we've seen an Observer manipulate events (action only one Observer has interfered), they were chastised and told by the other Observers to make things right.

 

Peter willed himself out of existence. I'm not sure how, but he caused the chain reaction. He even says as much before disappearing.

I gotta disagree.  He flickered out in mid sentence and then we cut to the Observers who say and I'm paraphrasing "it worked. He served his purpose. they don't remember him because he never existed"   I don't see anything in Peter's actions that suggest he knew what was going to happen other than bridging the two universes and bringing everyone together in attempt to heal the damage.

After Peter flickered out, I thought it seemed that Olivia returned to her old boring personality instead of recently more 'happy' self when she spoke.

Olivia did return to her boring self because she hadn't met Peter. Just as Bolivia was never pregnant. And Bancroft, I don't see your example as evidence that Observers made Peter disappear. They can see time differently. They know the past, present, and future simultaneously. They were observing that things went back to normal before Walter fucked with the universe(s).

So they basically reset the whole Peter/Olivia thing? I imagine that Peter will come back and have to get Olivia to fall back in love with him? Again?

This is like four times if you count alternate universe versions of people.

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Right.  That timeline ceased to exist as soon as Peter's consciousness came back to the present.  That was the entire point of that storyline.

Don't count your chickens before they're eggs.  If the future timeline is completely erased then there's nobody to send the pieces of the machine into the past, because there's no reason to do so.  Just because the two universes have a common meeting place to work on a solution (and how awesome will Season 3 be with Walter and Walternate working side-by-side?  SO AWESOME) doesn't mean they'll find one before some version of that future timeline comes to pass.  I'd bet on at least two future episodes next season, but each one will be a slightly different future (maybe Broyles doesn't lose his eye, maybe Walter is never imprisoned, maybe whatever happened in Detroit doesn't happen...)

I doubt it.  Olivia's love for Peter + cortexiphan powers will be key in bringing him back, I'm sure.

So if I understand this correctly, the machine is never actually invented if the pieces are buried in the past to be found in the future in a constant loop?   So if Peter wills himself out of existence, what happens to the machine that doesn't have to be used any more?  

That would be a paradox.  Just go with it.

If Peter never existed, then how did the universes meet? Great finale, tons of questions for next season. Let the Olivia/Bolivia slashfic commence!

I caught up with the season and I'm disappointed that they just casually explained away the First People, for a show which is pretty thin on mythology to begin with, getting rid of the first people mystery in such a boring way was disappointing. So the machine's existence is pretty much the same thing Richard Alpert's compass? Anyways with the next season likely to be the last I hope we can put and end to 'Monster of the week' episodes like Marionette and 6B on which for some unexplicable reason we keep wasting like half the season on.

Re: How the universes meet if Peter never existed...

Walter was already "observing" the other universe before his version of Peter died, not to mention experimenting on the cortexiphan kids (the druggie/hippie chick was seeing things from the other side as far back as the 70's, wasn't she?)  I think he even said something in one ep about him and Bellie teleporting cars between universes or something to that effect.  So I think the schism would have happened anyway, one way or another.

The big question for me has always been... why is only Universe B being affected so strongly by all the traveling back and forth?  The shapeshifters have evidently been screwing around over here since at least the 70's (wtf?), and Bellie has supposedly made the trip so many times that his molecules are about ready to fly apart.  Why does the destructive effect only seem to work one way?

I think its now obvious from the latter half of the season that the holes are coming back our way and starting to destroy both universes rather than just one.  Regardless of the shapeshifters I think the show has now stated that the rips would eventually destroy both worlds.  Which is why both Walters have to work together now to fix things on both sides to prevent additional damage. 

I'm very curious where the show goes from here.  Obviously Pete will be back and shortly.  But where does the overall plot go from here....hmmmm....

- Do we continue to see the two universes we know of and post a "fix" to the rips Walternate remains the big bad?

- Do we now see a third party enter as the big bad?  Maybe that random guy in the animated episode who Olivia says kills her?

- Does the show backtrack on the connected mythlogy and go back more towards MOTW episodes to try and bring in more viewers?

- With the news that Lincoln Lee is now a permanent cast member is it our Lincoln or Lincolnate? 

- Who are the members of that secret cabal that Broyles reported to in season 1 (or maybe season 2)?

- Can they PLEASE bring back members of that techno-terrorist group?  Forget their name but it rhymed with Wrecks N Effect (rumpshaker ugh!) or something like that. 

- What group did Jon Seda work for (US Govt my ass) and how do they get involved in all of this?

- Now that Perfect Target is cancelled will we see alt-Mark Valley show up?

- Will the show end with Walter and Astrid getting married and leaving the group to tour the world in search of  the perfect milkshake? 

- Does Broyles become addicted to LSD and leave the FBI to follow Phish around the country? 

- I just watched Jonah Hex (damn my eyes) and was shocked to see both Lincoln Lee and Broyles in the movie.  Mind blown. 

- Stunt casting of the year...bring on David Duchovny as rogue FBI agent Mulder.  Come on, you know it would be awesome!

Ooh... I would watch that show.   Where is my fan fiction notepad...

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- Will the show end with Walter and Astrid getting married and leaving the group to tour the world in search of  the perfect milkshake? 

 

The key word there is eventually.  The fact is, Walter's "breach" took place over 25 years ago, numerous other breaches have occurred since then, and the Prime Universe is showing negligible wear and tear at this point, whereas Universe B seems to be falling apart at the seems.  I like the show, but it would be nice if they could at least be consistent with their own premises.  But then again, this is a JJ show, so as long as smoke monsters and Rambaldi manuscripts don't start showing up, I guess we should consider ourselves ahead.  x-/