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Segregation is a lot more apparent when you look at maps

post #1 of 19
9/22/10 at 12:58am
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/walking...674967/detail/

NYC on the whole is pretty diverse, yet there are still huge pockets of color indicating "a salad bowl" effect and not the traditional assumption of a "melting pot". I live at the upper left corner of Prospect Park (the white hexigon on the right) in Brooklyn where the red and blue folk (i.e, White and Black) intermingle. The red splotch in the sea of blue is the Hasidic community in Crown Heights, where Blacks and Jews famously had a huge riot. I love that you can see Chinatown clearly on Manhattan with that bright green chunk on the southern tip amidst a sea of red. And I knew Hispanics would have a large presence in the Bronx, but I had no idea there were so many in Queens. I find this endlessly fascinating. Other than Cali, Philly and Chicago, there's a whole lotta red out there.
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post #2 of 19
9/22/10 at 1:39am
Kinda wish he'd done one for Austin, just so I can show my friends what I mean when I say that I-35 is an eight lane segregation divider (Seeing a white person living on the East Side of that highway is a rare sight, and vice-versa for the West Side).

EDIT: D'oh! Didn't scroll down far enough. See what I mean?
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post #3 of 19
9/22/10 at 2:54am
The one for Louisville is a fair representation, but his geography is a little off. The comments are calling him out on it and I see that he's moving stuff around. Plus, he's lumping in the UPS Worldport with the International Airport. The result is this giant white blob.

The ones for Lexington, Indianapolis and Nashville seem a little more on the nose. The one for Baltimore leaves me scratching my head. What sort of scale is he using? The geography is off on that map too.
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post #4 of 19
9/22/10 at 8:56am
Baltimore is pretty spot on, right down to the little sub-neighborhoods. It's kind of odd (I guess) though, that someone tagged certain neighborhoods like Fells Point and Fed Hill, as they're pretty much just tagging the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

One slip up would be Canton, as he's not acknowledging the huge latin community there, but I know a lot of the neighborhood is not on the grid, so to speak.
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post #5 of 19
9/22/10 at 9:10am
Yep, Rochester's pretty dead on. Nice little cluster of diversity in the city, surrounded by miles, and miles, and miles of red.
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post #6 of 19
9/22/10 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
Baltimore is pretty spot on, right down to the little sub-neighborhoods. It's kind of odd (I guess) though, that someone tagged certain neighborhoods like Fells Point and Fed Hill, as they're pretty much just tagging the whitest neighborhoods in the city.

One slip up would be Canton, as he's not acknowledging the huge latin community there, but I know a lot of the neighborhood is not on the grid, so to speak.
Canton is what I was thinking about.
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post #7 of 19
9/22/10 at 11:58am
I stumbled in from the Scott Pilgrim thread, so I'd be curious to see one for Toronto, to see if it's really whitey mcwhitesville. Neat little maps, however. Oh Seattle...
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post #8 of 19
9/22/10 at 12:32pm
Wow... that is something else. This is a pretty neat little technique. I love how someone pointed out 8 mile road.
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post #9 of 19
9/22/10 at 1:24pm
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One slip up would be Canton, as he's not acknowledging the huge latin community there, but I know a lot of the neighborhood is not on the grid, so to speak.
Yeah, I imagine some of these cities would look different if they weren't based on Census counts.
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post #10 of 19
9/22/10 at 1:54pm
Phoenix and San Antonio are especially amazing and unsurprising. ETA: Damn, look at that Long Beach rainbow.


Thanks for the link, Diva. This is actually quite fascinating.
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post #11 of 19
9/22/10 at 6:12pm
Thanks indeed, Diva. I am forwarding this to some geography teachers at my school. I would love to see multiple censuses done this same way. Seeing a city change over 50 years would be a great way to talk about the demographics of cities, white flight, changing populations, etc.
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post #12 of 19
9/22/10 at 9:45pm
Diva,

What you are discussing is by no means a form of "segregation". Immigrant communities develop because people new to the country like to live among people who share their language and culture. Same goes for other ethnic enclaves. Would those people be discouraged or barred from renting property elsewhere in NYC if they could afford it (a separate issue)? No? Then it's not "segregation"
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post #13 of 19
9/23/10 at 4:52am
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Please show me on the maps where immigrant communities are labeled.
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post #14 of 19
9/23/10 at 10:09am
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Diva,

What you are discussing is by no means a form of "segregation". Immigrant communities develop because people new to the country like to live among people who share their language and culture. Same goes for other ethnic enclaves. Would those people be discouraged or barred from renting property elsewhere in NYC if they could afford it (a separate issue)? No? Then it's not "segregation"
Don't talk shit about shit you obviously know nothing about, Princess, and google "residential segregation" and "white flight" while you're at it.
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post #15 of 19
9/23/10 at 10:24am
Anyone know if there is something simmilar for the UK? I'm pretty sure it would be a lot more mixed.
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post #16 of 19
9/24/10 at 12:48pm
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Don't talk shit about shit you obviously know nothing about, Princess, and google "residential segregation" and "white flight" while you're at it.
My mom lived in NYC for longer than Diva has been alive, and I was born there. I know what white flight is. It sucks, but it's not segregation. Because of the history of crippling racial equality in this country, I think it's important to be precise with our language
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post #17 of 19
9/24/10 at 12:56pm
Like "Retard"?
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post #18 of 19
9/24/10 at 7:03pm
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I think Kate needs to learn the definition of segregation. It doesn't refer just to laws.
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post #19 of 19
9/24/10 at 8:31pm
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My mom lived in NYC for longer than Diva has been alive, and I was born there. I know what white flight is. It sucks, but it's not segregation. Because of the history of crippling racial equality in this country, I think it's important to be precise with our language
I've taught in inner-city schools in three separate cities, Princess, and I say again "economic/residential segregation." Verily, I say to you, "don't talk shit about shit you know nothing about."
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