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post #601 of 3285
This is that movie for me that there is no reason for me to have not seen. Every time I see something about it I look at that cast and go FUCK I need to see that yet here I am. And thank you for the concern Diva but my geek card went with Breakfast club many drafts ago.
post #602 of 3285
I OWN Glenngarry and it still somehow slipped my mind when I made my list. Not sure what I was thinking, although I doubt I would have drafted it. Such a great script and awesome cast.

Might have to watch that one tonight, it's been a good while.
post #603 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
Definitely, probably the best cameo role of all time.
Orson Welles would kick your ass for that comment.

GGGR is a nice selection.
post #604 of 3285
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I'll admit the stylized world of Tenenbaums resonates more with me than the more realistic Rushmore.
I would argue Rushmore exists in one of Anderson's dioramic worlds.
post #605 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Kirby Drummond View Post
Orson Welles would kick your ass for that comment.

GGGR is a nice selection.
Is Harry Lime really a cameo, though? (Assuming you're talking about The Third man)

And yes, love the pick, Nick.
post #606 of 3285
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I would argue Rushmore exists in one of Anderson's dioramic worlds.
Well, I did say more realistic. Anything Anderson touches will be stylized to some degree.
post #607 of 3285
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See this is the problem with these drafts. I have several films I would have pegged as first rounders left. But at round two I always wanna stick to my supposed theme, so I draft a film that might be able to wait, but then my third rounder gets surprisingly snatched up, and I abandon my theme, but by then the first rounders are gone.
That's my problem right now. But I chose Dark City. Gotta go through.

And Baldwin's role wasn't a cameo. At least for me. It's one shot, but damn. He propels the whole movie.
post #608 of 3285
What's wrong with you people that havent seen Glengarry?????

Ed Harris' Dave is my favorite film performance of all time (and where my sig comes from)...the anger he conveys is amazing...

Incredible performances all around...

Hurts to see it go, but it needed to be a 1st rounder...
post #609 of 3285
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Is Harry Lime really a cameo, though? (Assuming you're talking about The Third man)
I think he's referring to the fact that Round One named not one but two films featuring Fake Orson.
post #610 of 3285
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It's a piece of overripe cheese.
That's a really casual dismissal.
post #611 of 3285
Glengarry's gone? And I've got a whole 'nother day of watching films I would have picked go off the board. Swell.
post #612 of 3285
Yeah I think Baldwin's role is far too large and important to be a cameo, but I may be mixed-up about the definition.

Something about how he says "a set of steak knives", and pulls them out all quickly always cracks me up.
post #613 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
That's a really casual dismissal.
Just a little smack talk.
post #614 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
That's my problem right now. But I chose Dark City. Gotta go through.

And Baldwin's role wasn't a cameo. At least for me. It's one shot, but damn. He propels the whole movie.
Well, I don't want to get into an argument of semantics, but he's in it for less (fairly sure) than 10 minutes and, as you said, propels the whole movie. That's WHY it's a great cameo.
post #615 of 3285
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I think he's referring to the fact that Round One named not one but two films featuring Fake Orson.
Oh, yeah, that was probably my favorite part of Ed Wood. But Baldwin beats it.
post #616 of 3285
Harry Lime a cameo? Really? No way!

His introduction might be my favorite shot of all time, though.
post #617 of 3285
Baldwin's monologue (written by Mamet specifically for the film specifically for him) is fantastic, but to me there's even better. The scene with Pacino and Lemmon trying to fleece Pryce, the aftermath with Lemmon and Pacino tearing into Spacey, the aforementioned Alda/Harris bar scene. Not to mention all of this tension is built out of SELLING REAL ESTATE.
post #618 of 3285
Damn, GGR is one I had dreamed would last, but of course it wouldnt.

I guarantee everyone here who hasnt seen it would enjoy it, not that it may be the best, but the dialogue and the interactions are superb. Each character is their own character, and Jack Lemmon will have you enjoying the living shit out of his performance and at the same time holding back your pity and contempt for everything about the character.

It's said that during the shoot, the actors who were not supposed to be on set each day would come specifically to watch the others perform.
post #619 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Harry Lime a cameo? Really? No way!

His introduction might be my favorite shot of all time, though.
Just a misunderstanding on my part.
post #620 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Mr_Cellophane View Post
Baldwin's monologue (written by Mamet specifically for the film specifically for him) is fantastic, but to me there's even better. The scene with Pacino and Lemmon trying to fleece Pryce, the aftermath with Lemmon and Pacino tearing into Spacey, the aforementioned Alda/Harris bar scene. Not to mention all of this tension is built out of SELLING REAL ESTATE.
This is why this movie is perfect. It lets real actors really act. Everything about it serves the actors.
post #621 of 3285
Arkin, not Alda.
post #622 of 3285
Thanks. Alda was in the revival I saw. [/Name Drop]
post #623 of 3285
Erix takes my second rounder.
post #624 of 3285
Damn. 4 choices ago I thought I'd be drowning in top shelf options come pickin' time tomorrow.
post #625 of 3285
I'm having Erix for dinner.
post #626 of 3285
Erix takes one of the elephants. Nice, but end of 1st round?? It deserved better people.
post #627 of 3285
I had gotten so hopeful that everyone was stupid enough to let Lambs slide down to me.
Today really helped to knock out some biggies and make certain that people will be shitting the bed in later rounds.
post #628 of 3285
When I was considering an all-horror list, that was my first choice (followed by Jacob's Ladder, natch).
post #629 of 3285
Probably would have taken Lambs tomorrow morning.
post #630 of 3285
Rushmore was one of the heavyweights that I thought would be good by noon yesterday. If it had fit my theme, I would have grabbed it by 12:01 yesterday. I agree that it really is a perfect gem of a movie.

Lambs and Glengarry are also both stellar first-rounders. Also marks the decade highwater mark for both those films' directors, too.
post #631 of 3285
Probably would have stolen Lambs from you tomorrow morning Phil.
post #632 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll View Post
When I was considering an all-horror list, that was my first choice (followed by Jacob's Ladder, natch).
I can't think of a worst decade than the 90's for an all horror list.
post #633 of 3285
Also, nothing personal Patrick, but holy hell do I hate when people call Lambs a goddamned horror movie.
post #634 of 3285
Still plenty of fantastic choices available. I'm having a really tough time deciding what to get and what to not. After i draft, almost 60 more films will be taken. Hard choices indeed.
post #635 of 3285
Lotsa great choices today. Pleased to see Mike Leigh enter the building. RUSHMORE would have been my second-rounder, but I knew it wasn't gonna be around.

RIP Sally Menke.
post #636 of 3285
In the last thirty minutes I just remembered two movies that completely slipped my mind, but I know they have to go in my list if they're not already taken, so I have no idea what I'm doing anymore.
post #637 of 3285
Ahem. Before I begin...

FUCK YOU BOB CLARK!


I'm pretty pissed at HunterTarantino too, but I made that special just for you Doug. Because I needed you to see how the hatred is seeping from my pores.

I'll deal with Hunter later.


My theme has been kind of torpedoed, but I came up with a way to fix it. I hope it serves.

Wild At Heart is a fine film for many reasons. It's just an amazing pop fantasy. It's my favorite Nic Cage performance and the first time I "got" him and loved him in a film. Terrific Badalamenti score... And one amazing movie moment after another. It is Lynch having fun, as someone suggested. And it's exhilarating to watch him do that.

Best moment of the movie? Easy. Crispin Glover and his wonderful lunch.

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Time for me to get flamed - I prefer Boogie Nights to Pulp Fiction.
Boogie Nights has been getting some criticisms here that are valid. But I actually think it's aged better than Pulp. In a way, it's a Pulp imitator. But PT Anderson throws enough of himself into it that it doesn't quite feel that way. So, watching it now, there's less baggage and it's a great entertainment.

The coke-fueled scene between Julianne Moore and Heather Graham is bar none one of the great film moments of the decade. The fact Moore didn't get the Oscar for that pisses me off to this day.

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As for Lebowski/Groundhog, Groundhog is the better comedy, but Lebowski is the better movie. Does it make sense?
Makes perfect sense. And I completely agree. Yet, Groundhog Day is the one I feel like watching again right now.

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One of the things people never mention, DelToro and Spacey aside, the cast is pretty terrible. Kevin Pollack? Stephen Baldwin? Both just about the worst things ever!
Come on Elvis. Lay off Pollack. Or we may have to have a few words.

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The only nit-pick I have with LAC is the slight cheat concerning Bud's outcome at the end of the film.
It's been talked about to death. But LA Confidential would definitely be a perfect film if the credits started rolling after that fade to black on the shot of Guy Pearce holding up his badge.

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The Alec Baldwin scene is a classic.
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I've at least seen that. And small enough clips to know that scene's pretty much tip of the iceberg for that flick.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Cellophane View Post
Baldwin's monologue (written by Mamet specifically for the film specifically for him) is fantastic, but to me there's even better. The scene with Pacino and Lemmon trying to fleece Pryce, the aftermath with Lemmon and Pacino tearing into Spacey......
Thank you Cellophane. I love Glengarry (One of my favorite films actually) and I love that Baldwin scene... I have it committed to memory. Go ahead. Call me. I'll do it for you right now. But the movie is so much more than just that scene.

And don't forget what comes after Spacey gets torn into when he gets to one up Lemmon.

When Lemmon says: My daughter... I always want to die.

The entire third act of that film, from when Pacino goes back into the office until the credits roll, is the reason you watch movies. Just amazing writing, acting and - let's be fair - directing from top to bottom.
post #638 of 3285
James Foley did a fantastic job with Glengarry, I love the way he took the standard 3 scenes from the play and intercut them and just really started weaving the tension immediately. And the jazz score by Wayne Shorter is double fantastic.
post #639 of 3285
Goddamn, the first serious casualties to my list. Dark City, Being John Malkovich, Jackie Brown, Strange Days, and Rushmore all hurt, dammit. woop, still 31 on my list though, not worried.
post #640 of 3285
Thread Starter 
Aside from Fordyce, everyone went right?
post #641 of 3285
I believe so, Kirby.
post #642 of 3285
Glengarry is now #1 in my que if that redeems me in any way
post #643 of 3285
Miller's Crossing is on mine (i know, shut up.)
post #644 of 3285
You're on a mission Tati. We understand. But, if for some reason, you are underwhelmed by it - your life may be in danger. Just want to make sure you're prepared.

In all seriousness, you're going to love it. My favorite Coen Brothers movie. They've done many greats. But never before - or again - anything quite like it. And you may be surprised at the depth of real emotion on display.
post #645 of 3285
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I'm pretty pissed at HunterTarantino too, but I made that special just for you Doug. Because I needed you to see how the hatred is seeping from my pores.

I'll deal with Hunter later.
*True Romance falls off of Erix's lineup and shatters everywhere*

Did I do that?

Tati: Miller's Crossing is top three Coens for me. Just you wait till you see Albert Finney tear ass on an assassination attempt.
post #646 of 3285
Tati, drop everything and watch MC right now! Watch it a lot, you need multiple viewings to really appreciate it's full depth...
post #647 of 3285
Don't be surprised if Millers seems overrated at first. It's a grower more so than any other Coen movie, even ______ _____.

By the way, I love the hell out of Lebowski, and I get that the very fact of a passionate cult fan base bumps it down a notch for some people, but what exactly are the wrong reasons for loving it? I guess you could theoretically misunderstand Fight Club, but in Lebowski's case, isn't it more that there's a cult at all than that they misperceive it?

Seen everything but Naked.

Silence was my first draft in the horror draft, otherwise it might have been a viable first pick here. How the balls is it not a horror film?
post #648 of 3285
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Don't be surprised if Millers seems overrated at first. It's a grower more so than any other Coen movie
It has a weirdly off-putting opening scene, I'll give you that. But I'm pretty sure Tati will be mesmerized with the opening credits that follow it (Carter Burwell has never been better) and utterly transfixed by the time Gabriel Byrne and John Tuturro take their walk into the woods.

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Silence was my first draft in the horror draft, otherwise it might have been a viable first pick here. How the balls is it not a horror film?
I see what you're saying... I think Justin's complaint was more on the line of "It's more than just a horror film." But I don't want to put words in his mouth.

And I agree... There's a lot going on here besides just good scares.

But, man... Those scares get you, but good, don't they? In the wake of serial killer fever that it wrought, people sometimes forget how pure this was. I was still in my teens when I saw it and maybe didn't pick up on some of the deeper nuances at first. But the film still scared the shit out of me.

I was one of those that later claimed Seven was superior. I don't feel that way anymore. Seven is a terrific film, don't get me wrong. But there's more substance to Lambs. And it doesn't need to punch you in the nuts like Fincher does to get under your skin.
post #649 of 3285
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I can't think of a worst decade than the 90's for an all horror list.
Exact conclusion I came to.
post #650 of 3285
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Originally Posted by Arjen Rudd View Post

By the way, I love the hell out of Lebowski, and I get that the very fact of a passionate cult fan base bumps it down a notch for some people, but what exactly are the wrong reasons for loving it? I guess you could theoretically misunderstand Fight Club, but in Lebowski's case, isn't it more that there's a cult at all than that they misperceive it?
A lot of the cult I've met love it simply because they see The Dude as this grand apathetic stoner prophet. Which, yes, he may be a weed-smoking "bum" but he's more than that. And it ignores a lot of the film's finer features, methinks.
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