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Hunger (2008)

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I found this film to be utterly shattering personally. I've had a fascination with the history of The Troubles since I was a young fella so as a consequence had a pretty good idea of the history of this period, the dirty protests and hunger strikes in the face of Thatcher intransigence, but it's one thing to read something in a history book and quite another to see the visceral reality in technicolor.

McQueens history as a video artist could have made this a mess but instead his creative choices make for a haunting movie experience that will stay with me for years. The first half of the movie as we see the prisoners and guards of the Maze Prison struggling against each other in an endless sisyphean struggle of hatred almost completely without dialogue brutalized me into a state of near-numbness as it reflected this traumatic numbing of both the prisoners and guards. The beatings, the walls of the cells, just the horror of it all made it almost too much for my mind to fathom in some ways.

McQueens choices of what to concentrate on, a prisoner befriending a stray fly at his cells window, a single guard in riot gear in tears at it all, another slowly cleaning away the piss flooded corridor of the prison ward, made for not only a very real near-documentary feel but a somewhat contemplative one as well.

Then came the films incredible punch at it's center. After so long with the most minimal amount of dialogue, the tour-de-force scene between Michael Fassbenders Bobby Sands and Liam Cunninghams Father Moran is simply some of the finest back-and-forth acting I've seen in years. nearly twenty minutes long, in a single take the scene is utterly breath-taking. I also love that the scene, much like the first half of the film leading up to it, doesn't choose a side in the debate over whether what the prisoners are doing is right, it simply places Sands motivations front and center and leaves you to either accept them or not.

The films final act, as Sands slowly wastes away to nothing is not only an incredible piece of physical acting from Fassbender, it's a devastating piece to watch - whether you agree with what Sands was doing or not.

By the films end I felt utterly wrung dry emotionally. I think it's an incredible film and a worthy companion piece to Paul Greengrass's Bloody Sunday in giving the viewer a more visceral document of the The Troubles rather than the traditional narrative historical filmic look at a situation that it's easy to forget was so raw and seemingly unsolvable not fifteen years ago.
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Yeah, the last 20 minutes are devastating and incredibly hard to watch.

I wish I wasn't such an Ignorant American and had a stronger grasp on the history of the conflict, but the movie isn't really about that, and "visceral" is probably the best way to describe the film.

Also loved the scene at the table between Sands and the priest, the monologue delivered by Fassbender during that scene is amazing work.
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Yeah, the last 20 minutes are devastating and incredibly hard to watch.
The whole movie is hard to watch. Who are you kidding?
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The whole movie is hard to watch. Who are you kidding?
Good point. The last 20 minutes hit me harder due to the involvement of the parents, and the conversation that preceded it.
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Also loved the scene at the table between Sands and the priest, the monologue delivered by Fassbender during that scene is amazing work.
That really is a terrific scene, though I don't care for the flashback (?) at the end. I also wasn't a fan of using Maggie's speeches as a device. Don't know why, just wasn't to my taste.

Besides a few minor gripes though Hunger really is a terrific film, one which really made me take notice of Fassbender as a talent. Anyone know what McQueen has been up to recently? I can't imagine he's struggling for work with this as his debut
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I've never been part of a theatre crowd so quiet and absolutely immersed in the film playing. I love this film for too many reasons to include in a succinct post, but, because a lot of the particulars have already been touched on, I'll just leave it at "a fearless, astute, and technically dazzling take on a subject particularly close to my heart."

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I wish I wasn't such an Ignorant American and had a stronger grasp on the history of the conflict, but the movie isn't really about that, and "visceral" is probably the best way to describe the film.
I'm by no means the ultimate authority on the subject, but I'd be happy to try to offer some insight on anything you might wanna know, Tim. The same goes for anyone else who might be interested; I'll do my best. My earliest memories are growing up in the tail end of The Troubles. Ceasefires and so forth. Although that period of our unpleasant past is "over" according to popular opinion, the conflict here's still far from over.
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Although that period of our unpleasant past is "over" according to popular opinion, the conflict here's still far from over.
I've been doing some reading on the history of the conflict since seeing the movie, but I am curious about what the attitude is like towards the conflict among the people there now.

Also, any suggestions for reading/watching on the subject? I haven't seen BLOODY SUNDAY yet, but it is in my queue.
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Also, any suggestions for reading/watching on the subject? I haven't seen BLOODY SUNDAY yet, but it is in my queue.
OMAGH is worth watching, it's a TV movie co-written by Greengrass about the aftermath of a Real IRA bomb, but make sure to watch Bloody Sunday first, because it's a phenomenal film.

Also, great post from Rain Dog to start the thread, and it hit me almost exactly the same way.
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Agreed on Bloody Sunday, I've yet had the will to watch United 93. But Bloody Sunday was great work not only from Greengrass but from James Nesbitt of all things.

It sadly was screwed out of the Academy Awards because it was shown on tv first.
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Fantastic and powerful film, Fassbender/Cunningham is the obvious highlight, but there are lots and lots of great bits. Such as when the main prison guard visits his mother at the nursing home and he gets shot in the head and bits of him go all over his mam's face BUT SHE JUST SITS THERE STARING EMOTIONLESSLY AHEAD BECAUSE SHE'S A FUCKING VEGETABLE.
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I've been doing some reading on the history of the conflict since seeing the movie, but I am curious about what the attitude is like towards the conflict among the people there now.
The general consensus, regardless of your political background, is that it's a colossal blot on our history we're all happy to see the back of. However, a lot of people just can't let go of their hatred and anger. Or they don't want to. So a milder, nameless form of The Troubles lives on through sporadic attacks by dissident Republicans/Loyalists desperate to keep us in the past.

It's encouraging that younger generations seem to be stepping away from this, though. They're growing up in a Post-Troubles Northern Ireland that's far from healed, but a massive improvement. It'll be interesting to see how that pans out, but growing up here usually means a healthy dose of skepticism so I'm not holding my breath for a miracle.

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Also, any suggestions for reading/watching on the subject? I haven't seen BLOODY SUNDAY yet, but it is in my queue.
Bloody Sunday is a must-watch. Five Minutes of Heaven is disappointing, but it tackles the idea of forgiveness and our national difficulty with the concept really well. You also get some fine Nesbitt/Neeson interplay there.

In a very different way, In The Name of the Father is worth checking out, if only for a great Daniel Day-Lewis performance. And Emma Thompson, to be fair to her.
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