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post #1 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:20am
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post #2 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:22am
I've been laughing my ass at all the outrage on twitter about this being a move to just steal your money and bla bla. You just realize this? These films have been "announced" to be in 3D from the very beginning.
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post #3 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:26am
He does realize this only adds depth to the visuals, not the story, right?
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post #4 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:31am
I'd be surprised if it's only depth that gets added to the visuals.

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If these 3D films turn out great, fantastic. If they turn out horrid, what's new? We still have the original trilogy... if you can find them, that is.
Pretty much.
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post #5 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:34am
Jedi Rocks. 3D.

FINALLY.
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post #6 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:36am
MF'er will put a CGI Yoda in Empire.
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post #7 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:39am
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MF'er will put a CGI Yoda in Empire.
And he'll digitally remove Yoda from the backpack and have him jumping around following Luke while he trains and oh god he might actually do that I think I hurt myself.
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post #8 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:41am
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MF'er will put a CGI Yoda in Empire.
He'll definitely put one in TPM, but who's complaining.
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post #9 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:52am
I kinda wish STAR WARS had never been made at this point.
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post #10 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:54am
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I kinda wish STAR WARS had never been made at this point.
I'm more leaning towards wishing Star Wars had been the only film. Sure, we'd lose Empire, but Star Wars would exist as this perfect little retro space opera gem.
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post #11 of 55
9/29/10 at 11:47am
I really really hope this goes the way of the Avatar: SE release (re-release?).

I was tempted to buy the blu-rays and call it a day (actually the only 2 films I want are Empire and Sith (ANH seemed off watching it in HD)), but maybe I'll just settle for the DVDs and call it a day.
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post #12 of 55
9/29/10 at 11:51am
No Star Wars means no Star Wars fans on the internet... Oh god please don't torture me with these visions of paradise.
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post #13 of 55
9/29/10 at 11:57am
"This fuckin' guy..."

That's it. That's all George Lucas can get out of me these days.
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post #14 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:04pm
Bunch of liars. Half of ya will be there opening nigh. (I'm looking at you Dickson)
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post #15 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:16pm
My little bright side to this is the fact I can take my daughter to experience Star Wars on the Big Screen.

ETA: Funny that these start dropping in 2012 when they just announced the full set of Blu-Rays for 2011. Gotta get the SE's out of the way so that you can got out and buy the 3D versions a couple years later.
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post #16 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:21pm
Nothing will make me watch the prequels again. However, assuming the re-releases run one per year, I will schlep my by-then 45-year-old ass out to see the original.
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post #17 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:23pm
I don't like 3D at all. There is part of me that wants to go watch these on the big screen, especially the OT. But my hatred for 3D is driving me not too. It will be a game time decision. I'm probably going to bite the bullet and watch them all.

He's only replacing the puppet from Ep.1 is what I thought.
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post #18 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:23pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Bunch of liars. Half of ya will be there opening nigh. (I'm looking at you Dickson)
I'll be the first to man up and say I will watch it.
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post #19 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:28pm
At least we'll get a sense of the limits of post-conversion. I mean the prequels are mostly CGI so that's like converting a Pixar film. But the OT? I'll see it but only to see the best post-conversion has to offer.
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post #20 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:30pm
The cow isn't just dry. It fell over, died, and has maggots spilling out of its intestinal track. Why is George Lucas still hellbent on milking it?
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post #21 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:31pm
"By now there's nothing GL can do that he hasn't already done, in terms of infuriating people with each entry."

Wanna bet?
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post #22 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:39pm
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At least we'll get a sense of the limits of post-conversion. I mean the prequels are mostly CGI so that's like converting a Pixar film.
That's assuming they archived all the CG data like Pixar did. And very few of those FX shots are 100% CG modeling.
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post #23 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:39pm
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The cow isn't just dry. It fell over, died, and has maggots spilling out of its intestinal track. Why is George Lucas still hellbent on milking it?
Because he will get milk...
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post #24 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:42pm
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That's assuming they archived all the CG data like Pixar did. And very few of those FX shots are 100% CG modeling.
As I understand it a 2D Jake Lloyd is a 2D Jake Lloyd unless you spend a LOT of time and money.
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post #25 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:46pm
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As I understand it a 2D Jake Lloyd is a 2D Jake Lloyd unless you spend a LOT of time and money.
Anakin the Manikin?
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post #26 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:49pm
it's going to take 6 years for them to finish this...god damn it. I don't want this. I want new Lucas-less Star Wars..

I would love to get inside this mans head for a dead. His thought process has to be money money money money.
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post #27 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:50pm
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That's assuming they archived all the CG data like Pixar did. And very few of those FX shots are 100% CG modeling.
I'm sure they had to archive all that shit in order to make all the other products of the Lucas empire profitable. And really? I know that there were some practical effects and scale models made for Ep1, but I thought most of Eps 2 & 3 were CGI fests.
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post #28 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:52pm
At least he gives money to charities. I really kind of wonder if Lucas lost his edge and has become scared to direct new works. He keeps going back to Star Wars because of it's money making potential and stability.
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post #29 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:54pm
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As I understand it a 2D Jake Lloyd is a 2D Jake Lloyd unless you spend a LOT of time and money.
From that relatively recent interview with him, poor guy can not be happy this is getting a major re-release in theaters.
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post #30 of 55
9/29/10 at 12:55pm
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I'm sure they had to archive all that shit in order to make all the other products of the Lucas empire profitable. And really? I know that there were some practical effects and scale models made for Ep1, but I thought most of Eps 2 & 3 were CGI fests.
Almost all the background environments in all the prequels are locations or miniatures shot in 2D.
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post #31 of 55
9/29/10 at 1:03pm
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I'll be the first to man up and say I will watch it.
I'd rather sleep in.

Seriously. A quiet morning. A nice, warm comfortable bed. Immersed in pillows and dreams. So much better for the soul.
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post #32 of 55
9/29/10 at 1:31pm
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Originally Posted by @simonpegg
Watching TPM in 3D would be like the car actually crashing into your face as opposed to just unfolding before your eyes.
Made me laugh.
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post #33 of 55
9/29/10 at 2:39pm
Since they're tinkering with them, fixing it so Han shoots first again could earn back some good will from me.
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post #34 of 55
9/29/10 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Tati View Post
Bunch of liars. Half of ya will be there opening nigh. (I'm looking at you Dickson)
Like hell. If I can't be bothered to watch the special editions and prequels at home, there's no way I'm paying the extra money to see them in 3D.
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post #35 of 55
9/29/10 at 3:59pm
Not only will I be there, but I am excited for this...

I don't understand the hate... he is offering something new, the films in 3D, it isn't like he is just bringing all the films out again for a strait re-release. There is some actual interesting developments that make me excited to give the films another go around in theaters.

Bring it on, this are only films after all, and a chance to see them on the big screen again, in 3D no less, is exciting.
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post #36 of 55
9/29/10 at 4:33pm
I wonder what George Lucas has written in his will re. who gets the rights to his SW empire?? Considering his great-great-great grandchildren are all set for life I can't imagine them have much interest in SW.
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post #37 of 55
9/29/10 at 4:38pm
Episode One: The Phantom Migraine
Episode Two: Attack of the Lobes
Episode Three: Revenge of the Sinuses
Episode Four: A New Hurt
Episode Five: The Entire Brain-Wracked
Episode Six: Return of the Head...iiieee

...mea culpa
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post #38 of 55
9/29/10 at 5:49pm
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I wonder what George Lucas has written in his will re. who gets the rights to his SW empire?? Considering his great-great-great grandchildren are all set for life I can't imagine them have much interest in SW.
I'm sorry, History Buff, but it's probably too late to seduce him.
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post #39 of 55
9/29/10 at 7:21pm
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That's assuming they archived all the CG data like Pixar did. And very few of those FX shots are 100% CG modeling.
What's to stop him from just replacing anything that isn't to his liking? It probably bothers him that some stuff was real the first time around.

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Originally Posted by Hammerhead View Post
Almost all the background environments in all the prequels are locations or miniatures shot in 2D.
I was under the impression most of the sets were only 8 feet tall and they CG'd the rest of it. Maybe I'm remembering this wrong? Not that it matters, just curious.
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post #40 of 55
9/29/10 at 7:24pm
They CGI'd in the ceilings of a lot of sets in order to lower building costs and to make rigging lights easier.

A lot of the big sweeping background vistas use of a lot of model work though. Most of that planet that Obi-Wan follows Greivous to in Episode III was modelwork enhanced with CGI.
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post #41 of 55
9/29/10 at 7:42pm
Lucas will probably make the 3-D conversion from the Star Wars Special Edition version, not the theatrical release, and this and not the high ticket price for the 3-D experience is the reason why I won't check it out, despite my love for the original trilogy. I still can't get over the stupid decision to have Greedo shoot first and that Hayden Christiansen appeared as a spirit next to Obi-Wan and Yoda.
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post #42 of 55
9/29/10 at 8:20pm
I think from a workload point of view it makes no sense to go back to some archived original 3d data and try to rerender then recomp. That is just a nightmare and would only work for probably 20% of the shots. They probably used lots of dirty little compositing tricks and hacks, esp. for AOTC. All the smoke and heat often times is just warped 2d stuff.

The other option would be to do traditional post 3d. Have an algorithm run over your frames, get rough mattes from it, have them be improved by an army of poor Indian and Singapore outsourcing schmocks and then move them around in pseudo 3d space.
There will probably be an eypoking Watto or an occasional lightsaber where they bother to redo it in 3d, but overall I can't imagine this getting close to AVATAR immersiveness.

Well Mr. Knoll, show us the best you've got!
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post #43 of 55
9/29/10 at 8:23pm
I can only hope for new Jar Jar comedy scenes to be added with 3D gags.
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post #44 of 55
9/29/10 at 9:17pm
That Sy Snootles SE lips close-up is really going to tits me off in 3D.

Saying that though I'll see this just out of curiosity with the hope that it's just a fad and it won't suddenly become Lucas' only one true vision thus mooting the OOT even more...

Oh who the fuck am I kidding?
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post #45 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:01pm
Ever since I bought a DVD of THX-1138 and discovered the RIDICULOUS CGI car chase scene unceremoniously shoehorned in, my pet theory is that Lucas is unintentionally displaying a fear of growing old.

Has anyone else noticed that these re-releases and prequels always try and feature MORE MORE MORE of whatever technology is supposedly cutting edge at the time? I am remembering that scene in the Red Letter Media PM review where they show Lucas and company's reaction to their first test viewing, and the kind of surprised and dazed look on Lucas' face. It just seems to me like this compulsion to obsessively rework his old films is based on something other than artistry or commercial gain.

EDIT: grammatical correction
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post #46 of 55
9/29/10 at 10:28pm
Who is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?

Han shot Greedo... period.
You have to have a second to be first.
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post #47 of 55
9/29/10 at 11:18pm
Any chance to see the original trilogy in theaters is great...but fuck if I couldnt care less about the 3D.
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post #48 of 55
9/30/10 at 3:01am
I'll be there for the OT. The prequels, I'm sure I'll be able to do something better at the time.
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post #49 of 55
9/30/10 at 3:22am
What's star wars?
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post #50 of 55
9/30/10 at 3:29am
I'll stay away. George the words epic fail describe the prequel trilogy stand down sir.
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