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SIR MICHAEL CAINE SPOILS INCEPTION ENDING...MAYBE

post #1 of 25
9/30/10 at 6:40pm
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post #2 of 25
9/30/10 at 6:58pm
Good. That's the film I want. Caine read the script, he knows Nolan's true intent. Now the stupid 'it was all a dream' argument can finally end. It wasn't all a dream. Case closed. Everyone can go home.
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post #3 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:00pm
Kind of shitty of him, really. Not in any malicious way, I'm sure, but still...
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post #4 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:02pm
No, it's great of him. I fucking hate the 'it was all a dream' argument.
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post #5 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:03pm
Grrrrrr, fuck intellectual debate!
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post #6 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:10pm
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Originally Posted by Sebastian OB View Post
No, it's great of him. I fucking hate the 'it was all a dream' argument.
You do realize that just because Caine says this doesn't make the argument any less valid, right?

You also realize that just because you hate a certain reading of a film doesn't mean you have to believe it, right?
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post #7 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:13pm
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You do realize that just because Caine says this doesn't make the argument any less valid, right?

You also realize that just because you hate a certain reading of a film doesn't mean you have to believe it, right?
Quoted for truth.

Caine's comments don't change anything. That's exactly what a dream character would say!
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post #8 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:14pm
My posts are not meant to be taken in total seriousness.

I do fucking hate that interpretation though.
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post #9 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:16pm
I like the fact that Caine said what was supposed to happened to the top at the end, although I think Nolan edited it like that purposedly because he wanted it to be ambiguous, otherwise he could've just shown us explictly. But for the audience who wanted some kind of closure to the debate, they can use this interview as the truth if they want. This will not invalidate the endless debates that we have about this film or its ending, however.
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post #10 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:16pm
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Grrrrrr, fuck intellectual debate!
Well, now you can have that high-minded discussion about DALLAS or JACOB'S LADDER or THE LIFE BEFORE HER EYES or something.
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post #11 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:17pm
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Well, now you can have that high-minded discussion about DALLAS or JACOB'S LADDER or THE LIFE BEFORE HER EYES or something.
None of those are ambiguous. They all specifically tell us that what we'd been seeing before weren't real.
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post #12 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:25pm
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You do realize that just because Caine says this doesn't make the argument any less valid, right?

It does make it less valid. It doesn't make the fact that Nolan left the end ambiguous to fuck with you less valid, but since Nolan established clear rules as to what's a dream or isn't, Caine's conformation that these rules are truth overrides any unreliable narrator bullshit.

He read the script, he spoke to Nolan about it, he knows the true intent.

You can make up your own interpretation though, sure. I'm just happy the one I subscribe to is the real one.
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post #13 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:25pm
I'm still bitter that my "it was all a dream" explanation that was cribbed from Devin's article didn't get me laid. Conclusion: Next time I need to take dumb women to the movies.
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post #14 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:25pm
What about the end of NEWHART? Was that really all a dream?!
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post #15 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:28pm
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What about the end of NEWHART? Was that really all a dream?!
If you chose to interpret it that way. I choose to interpret is that Bob is in hell.
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post #16 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:33pm
Nerds.
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post #17 of 25
9/30/10 at 7:55pm
When Caine says his character invented the dream, does that mean the movie was all his dream and he sent the Inception team to save Leo from his delusion?! Huh?!
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post #18 of 25
9/30/10 at 8:03pm
Yeah, I'm a little removed from the movie (saw it once opening weekend) but that's not really a clear answer.

We see Caine at the house, but we dont see him after the top has spun, do we?
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...that's when I come back on.
What does that mean?

Thats a poorly written article, too. What does that mean: "There you have it, final confirmation the ending was exactly what you suspected." Everyone suuspected something different, right?

I'm confused now!
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post #19 of 25
9/30/10 at 8:12pm
Fact: The original ending to Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind had Clementine going back to Lacuna as an old woman, having broken up with Joel for the umpteenth time. They repeat their mistakes several times over. The filmed ending, with the looped footage in the snow, is really an allusion to this, but it's still open to interpretation.

Moral of the story is: Despite what's really supposed to be going on, an ambiguous ending is a free pass from the creator to say "Who gives a fuck" to what they intended, and nobody can take that away. Run with it at your own leisure. It's fun.
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post #20 of 25
9/30/10 at 9:06pm
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You do realize that just because Caine says this doesn't make the argument any less valid, right?

You also realize that just because you hate a certain reading of a film doesn't mean you have to believe it, right?
Quoted again for truth. Him saying that doesnt change my opinion of what happened at the end of the movie. I'm still sticking with my "it's all a dream" view.
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post #21 of 25
9/30/10 at 9:27pm
Wait, people are getting upset at an actor discussing the ending of an incredibly successful film several months after it's release?

It is not like he did this while the film was still unseen by most people.

ALSO

This reminds me a lot of the hoopla surrounding weather or not Two Face was dead at the end of TDK. Yes the script said he was dead, but based on what is on celluloid it could go either way.

This changes nothing, and all it does is adds a little info into Nolan's intent... but artist intent is only a portion of interpretation.
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post #22 of 25
9/30/10 at 11:01pm
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It does make it less valid. It doesn't make the fact that Nolan left the end ambiguous to fuck with you less valid, but since Nolan established clear rules as to what's a dream or isn't, Caine's conformation that these rules are truth overrides any unreliable narrator bullshit.

He read the script, he spoke to Nolan about it, he knows the true intent.

You can make up your own interpretation though, sure. I'm just happy the one I subscribe to is the real one.
So fucking what? George Romero swears that the end of Night of the Living Dead wasn't intended to be a statement about the civil rights movement at all. That doesn't mean it isn't. If Nolan himself came out and said "it's not a dream," it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. When analyzing a film, you read the film as a text. Trust the tale, not the tale-teller, or in this case, tale-tellers.

Also, so what if Caine says it's in the script? Does the script actually say, "THIS IS NOT A DREAM!" And did Caine and Nolan sit down and discuss the meaning of that last shot? I doubt it.

By the way, I actually don't believe the film is all a dream. But I like the reading because I think it's interesting and interesting to think about. And it's, by it's very design, supposed to force you to question what's going on.
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post #23 of 25
9/30/10 at 11:10pm
Anecdotal, but it's odd how petulant so many people arguing it's not a dream get when confronted with that idea. It's like they think it devalues the experience of the film, in many cases. It doesn't bother me if it's not intended to be a dream, I just think it makes the movie more interesting, as it would thematically tie the ending to that of Nolan's other masterpiece, Memento.
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post #24 of 25
9/30/10 at 11:14pm
So... hands up who subscribes to 'The death of the author'?
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post #25 of 25
10/1/10 at 12:47am
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So... hands up who subscribes to 'The death of the author'?
Not when the author actually states his intent. Which still hasn't happened in this case. Everyone after that is free to keep debating as an intellectual exercise but ultimately this is it. I could debate forever that Guernica actually depicts Yog-Sothoth and not an event of the Spanish Civil War and if I'm good I may even win the argument. It doesn't mean I'm right.
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